ESC

Click the "allow" button if you want to receive important news and updates from immigrationboards.com


Immigrationboards.com: Immigration, work visa and work permit discussion board

Welcome to immigrationboards.com!

Login Register Do not show

INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Forum to discuss all things Blarney | Ireland immigration

Moderators: Casa, push, JAJ, ca.funke, Amber, Zimba, vinny, Obie, EUsmileWEallsmile, batleykhan, geriatrix, John, ChetanOjha, archigabe, Administrator

Alixlboy
Member of Standing
Posts: 314
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:12 pm
Ireland

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Alixlboy » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:10 pm

masterboy123 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:32 pm
No harm in trying but they have clause which will protect the department and I doubt it will bring any change.
Alixlboy wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:43 pm
masterboy123 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:19 pm
Please remember :

The granting of Irish citizenship through naturalisation is a privilege, and not a right.
True.
But protesting against unfair treatment is our right.
In previous such cases, judges have asked them to explain and give the reason for not giving approval within 6 months, so no clause protects them as such.

Alixlboy
Member of Standing
Posts: 314
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:12 pm
Ireland

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Alixlboy » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:12 pm

Omad24 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:47 pm
The man from the article was given a ticket over ten years ago with the cop claiming his disc is expired he peeled it out and said it was not. They went to court together and he was told to pay anyways. He applied for citizenship and was denied 10 years ago for a record. He then was given a wait time then told he may apply again after such time has passed. When he applied he was denied again
I think that s not fair towards the man. He was given a chance but no chance as a matter of fact.

Omad24
Newbie
Posts: 47
Joined: Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:04 pm
Afghanistan

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Omad24 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:53 pm

Alixlboy wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:12 pm
Omad24 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:47 pm
The man from the article was given a ticket over ten years ago with the cop claiming his disc is expired he peeled it out and said it was not. They went to court together and he was told to pay anyways. He applied for citizenship and was denied 10 years ago for a record. He then was given a wait time then told he may apply again after such time has passed. When he applied he was denied again
I think that s not fair towards the man. He was given a chance but no chance as a matter of fact.
It’s ridiculous someone can denied for a ticket. Then on top of that denied again after waiting 10 years

Absolutely ridiculous

User avatar
markem
Member
Posts: 181
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:15 pm
Mood:
New Zealand

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by markem » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:34 pm

Here are some facts. 364 Pakistani nationals were granted citizenship in 2018. More than the Philippines, China, Brazil, USA and many others (page 16). This was about 4.5% of the total.

But is that good or bad? The best point of comparison is that 645 from Pakistan applied for citizenship in 2017 (page 15 of the previous report).

To make it comparable, make it a ratio of 645:364 or 1.77 applications : 1 approval in the following calendar year. A lower ratio would mean applications are approved more quickly.

As comparison, here are a few selected countries:
  • Latvia: 407 and 308 (1.3:1)
  • China: 311 and 234 (1.3:1)
  • Philippines: 418 and 320 (1.3:1)
  • Poland: 1754 and 1464 (1.2:1)
  • India: 778 and 629 (1.2:1)
Timeline threads here:
2020 /
2019 / 2018 / 2017 / 2016

Alixlboy
Member of Standing
Posts: 314
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:12 pm
Ireland

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Alixlboy » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:47 am

Omad24 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:53 pm
Alixlboy wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:12 pm
Omad24 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:47 pm
The man from the article was given a ticket over ten years ago with the cop claiming his disc is expired he peeled it out and said it was not. They went to court together and he was told to pay anyways. He applied for citizenship and was denied 10 years ago for a record. He then was given a wait time then told he may apply again after such time has passed. When he applied he was denied again
I think that s not fair towards the man. He was given a chance but no chance as a matter of fact.
It’s ridiculous someone can denied for a ticket. Then on top of that denied again after waiting 10 years

Absolutely ridiculous
Exactly
And such a person is absolutely right in calling this country a prison.

Alixlboy
Member of Standing
Posts: 314
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:12 pm
Ireland

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Alixlboy » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:48 am

markem wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:34 pm
Here are some facts. 364 Pakistani nationals were granted citizenship in 2018. More than the Philippines, China, Brazil, USA and many others (page 16). This was about 4.5% of the total.

But is that good or bad? The best point of comparison is that 645 from Pakistan applied for citizenship in 2017 (page 15 of the previous report).

To make it comparable, make it a ratio of 645:364 or 1.77 applications : 1 approval in the following calendar year. A lower ratio would mean applications are approved more quickly.

As comparison, here are a few selected countries:
  • Latvia: 407 and 308 (1.3:1)
  • China: 311 and 234 (1.3:1)
  • Philippines: 418 and 320 (1.3:1)
  • Poland: 1754 and 1464 (1.2:1)
  • India: 778 and 629 (1.2:1)
Good info.

pissedoffbyinis
Newbie
Posts: 32
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:07 am
Pakistan

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by pissedoffbyinis » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 pm

Applied in mid 2017 and still waiting.... a house wife and never worked in Pakistan nor in Ireland.. no driving history ... what checks they have to carry out?? the whole process is hilarious :)

masterboy123
Member of Standing
Posts: 340
Joined: Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:25 pm
Ireland

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by masterboy123 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:06 pm

I don't mean to piss you, but actually leaving no public trace could be a negative factor. :|
A work history and paying taxes is always considered to be helpful.
pissedoffbyinis wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 pm
Applied in mid 2017 and still waiting.... a house wife and never worked in Pakistan nor in Ireland.. no driving history ... what checks they have to carry out?? the whole process is hilarious :)

gsvzla
inactive
Posts: 23
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:54 am
Venezuela

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by gsvzla » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:43 pm

masterboy123 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:06 pm
I don't mean to piss you, but actually leaving no public trace could be a negative factor. :|
A work history and paying taxes is always considered to be helpful.
pissedoffbyinis wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 pm
Applied in mid 2017 and still waiting.... a house wife and never worked in Pakistan nor in Ireland.. no driving history ... what checks they have to carry out?? the whole process is hilarious :)
Correct. If anything, that probably negatively affected you, as I'm assuming the government needs to make sure you can be self sufficient in terms of job, etc. And probably not having a work/taxes record could have been seen as a bad thing as they have less evidence to try and understand your character.

As other people here have said, citizenship is not a right a we have no entitlement to it. I believe that from the INIS perspective is a matter of "if you don't like then just leave" as they don't have to give anyone citizenship if they don't want to or feel it will benefit the country.

And not to sound rude, but if you don't have a working history or a job that makes you pay taxes in Ireland then to them your contribution is not as significant as someone who does have those things and maybe that's also a reason your application has taken a bit longer.

This of course is all my opinion, as you never know with these public offices. For all we know your file got lost in a pile and the delay has nothing to do with you out your history.

Alixlboy
Member of Standing
Posts: 314
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:12 pm
Ireland

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Alixlboy » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:40 pm

masterboy123 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:06 pm
I don't mean to piss you, but actually leaving no public trace could be a negative factor. :|
A work history and paying taxes is always considered to be helpful.
pissedoffbyinis wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 pm
Applied in mid 2017 and still waiting.... a house wife and never worked in Pakistan nor in Ireland.. no driving history ... what checks they have to carry out?? the whole process is hilarious :)
Were you on a stamp 3 dependant visa by any chance? I know stamp 3 holders are not allowed to work on their own.

Alixlboy
Member of Standing
Posts: 314
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:12 pm
Ireland

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Alixlboy » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:53 pm

Applied for FOI today.

5121472
Newly Registered
Posts: 9
Joined: Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:50 pm
Pakistan

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by 5121472 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:02 pm

My application is also pending approval. It s crazy the way they are running the immigration department..

Alixlboy
Member of Standing
Posts: 314
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:12 pm
Ireland

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Alixlboy » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:05 pm

5121472 wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:02 pm
My application is also pending approval. It s crazy the way they are running the immigration department..
Can you please share your timeline with us?

iibdii
Junior Member
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:56 pm

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by iibdii » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:05 am

I have couple of friends waiting 3+ years with no approval.
I myself in a durable relationship, 9 years old and child of 5 but because we did not register our marriage im not even allowed to apply for citizenship.
So same like Pakistan, Ireland doesn't treat cohabiting with long term partner is a legit relationship. My daughter got her first irish passport in 2/3 weeks and just applied by post

Alixlboy
Member of Standing
Posts: 314
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:12 pm
Ireland

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Alixlboy » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:55 am

iibdii wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:05 am
I have couple of friends waiting 3+ years with no approval.
I myself in a durable relationship, 9 years old and child of 5 but because we did not register our marriage im not even allowed to apply for citizenship.
So same like Pakistan, Ireland doesn't treat cohabiting with long term partner is a legit relationship. My daughter got her first irish passport in 2/3 weeks and just applied by post
Were you on a De Facto Relationship Stamp 4 by any chance?

littlerr
Senior Member
Posts: 847
Joined: Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:14 pm
China

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by littlerr » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:54 pm

iibdii wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:05 am
I have couple of friends waiting 3+ years with no approval.
I myself in a durable relationship, 9 years old and child of 5 but because we did not register our marriage im not even allowed to apply for citizenship.
So same like Pakistan, Ireland doesn't treat cohabiting with long term partner is a legit relationship. My daughter got her first irish passport in 2/3 weeks and just applied by post
You are in Northern Ireland so the UK rules apply to you, not the Irish rules.

As a special rule, Ireland allows naturalisation for spouses of Irish nationals living in Northern Ireland as part of Good Friday Agreement. You apparently do not fall into this category.

pissedoffbyinis
Newbie
Posts: 32
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:07 am
Pakistan

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by pissedoffbyinis » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:10 pm

masterboy123 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:06 pm
I don't mean to piss you, but actually leaving no public trace could be a negative factor. :|
A work history and paying taxes is always considered to be helpful.
pissedoffbyinis wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 pm
Applied in mid 2017 and still waiting.... a house wife and never worked in Pakistan nor in Ireland.. no driving history ... what checks they have to carry out?? the whole process is hilarious :)
That's not the way to read my post... it was a spousal dependent visa and that visa owner has NO right to work. My husband was on work visa and has Irish citizenship for 18 months now. How come one can have tax payment when there is no right to work.

pissedoffbyinis
Newbie
Posts: 32
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:07 am
Pakistan

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by pissedoffbyinis » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:11 pm

gsvzla wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:43 pm
masterboy123 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:06 pm
I don't mean to piss you, but actually leaving no public trace could be a negative factor. :|
A work history and paying taxes is always considered to be helpful.
pissedoffbyinis wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 pm
Applied in mid 2017 and still waiting.... a house wife and never worked in Pakistan nor in Ireland.. no driving history ... what checks they have to carry out?? the whole process is hilarious :)
Correct. If anything, that probably negatively affected you, as I'm assuming the government needs to make sure you can be self sufficient in terms of job, etc. And probably not having a work/taxes record could have been seen as a bad thing as they have less evidence to try and understand your character.

As other people here have said, citizenship is not a right a we have no entitlement to it. I believe that from the INIS perspective is a matter of "if you don't like then just leave" as they don't have to give anyone citizenship if they don't want to or feel it will benefit the country.

And not to sound rude, but if you don't have a working history or a job that makes you pay taxes in Ireland then to them your contribution is not as significant as someone who does have those things and maybe that's also a reason your application has taken a bit longer.

This of course is all my opinion, as you never know with these public offices. For all we know your file got lost in a pile and the delay has nothing to do with you out your history.

That's not the way to read my post... it was a spousal dependent visa and that visa owner has NO right to work. My husband was on work visa and has Irish citizenship for 18 months now. How come one can have tax payment when there is no right to work.

pissedoffbyinis
Newbie
Posts: 32
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:07 am
Pakistan

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by pissedoffbyinis » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:13 pm

Alixlboy wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:40 pm
masterboy123 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:06 pm
I don't mean to piss you, but actually leaving no public trace could be a negative factor. :|
A work history and paying taxes is always considered to be helpful.
pissedoffbyinis wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 pm
Applied in mid 2017 and still waiting.... a house wife and never worked in Pakistan nor in Ireland.. no driving history ... what checks they have to carry out?? the whole process is hilarious :)
Were you on a stamp 3 dependant visa by any chance? I know stamp 3 holders are not allowed to work on their own.
You are exactly right... its Stamp 3 spousal dependent visa with no right to work.

5121472
Newly Registered
Posts: 9
Joined: Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:50 pm
Pakistan

Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by 5121472 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:44 pm

Alixlboy wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:05 pm
5121472 wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:02 pm
My application is also pending approval. It s crazy the way they are running the immigration department..
Can you please share your timeline with us?
Applied in 2018 and it has been more than one year now at this stage.

Locked
cron