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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Julio_Tebenado » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:21 am

Congrats Vorona! Looks like you are the first one with approval in the 2020 applications thread.

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Vorona » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:06 am

Stanina wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:13 am
Congrats on approval letter! Did it mention affidavit procedure in approval letter?
Thank you! No there is nothing in the letter about affidavit or ceremonies unfortunately.

Thank you everyone!

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by sugeie » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:16 pm

Vorona wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:06 am
Stanina wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:13 am
Congrats on approval letter! Did it mention affidavit procedure in approval letter?
Thank you! No there is nothing in the letter about affidavit or ceremonies unfortunately.

Thank you everyone!
hello Vorona. when did you apply and when did you get the approval letter??

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by raja.brit » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:34 pm

sugeie wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:16 pm
Vorona wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:06 am
Stanina wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:13 am
Congrats on approval letter! Did it mention affidavit procedure in approval letter?
Thank you! No there is nothing in the letter about affidavit or ceremonies unfortunately.

Thank you everyone!
hello Vorona. when did you apply and when did you get the approval letter??

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by maximus_ » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:50 pm

Any applicant here from 2019 who has received approval recently ?

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by maximus_ » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:51 pm

Any applicant here from 2019 who has received approval recently ?

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by water_tank1 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:30 pm

maximus_ wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:51 pm
Any applicant here from 2019 who has received approval recently ?
Nope, I'm still waiting for approval. I received second letter back in July 2019 and heard nothing since.

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Wow90 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:34 pm

maximus_ wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:50 pm
Any applicant here from 2019 who has received approval recently ?
Also waiting. I applied in April 2019

Received 2nd letter in May 2019 and nothing since then

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by drfas » Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:36 pm

No approval
2nd stage letter June 2019
Recent email from 5th January 2020 saying that application has been submitted to the minister for decison

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by maximus_ » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:14 pm

Guys, I'm also in the same boat. My second stage letter is also from June-2019 and since then its been all gimmick responses from the department. Disappointing to say the least, for straight forward applications they are taking nearly 2 years to fix.

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Vorona » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:34 pm

There are people out there who were approved in 2019 and have not been able to receive an invitation due to covid. Considering situation in the World this delays are understandable. Even if they started sending affidavits to approved applicant, it will be long before the backlog is cleared.

I think the best you could do is to wait. Sending repetitive emails will most likely result in generic responses, which will only keep you disappointed.

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Stanina » Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:00 pm

It depends how lucky you are and who is processing your application I think. I applied in Sept 2018 and only was approved in February 2020, still waiting for ceremony or affidavit. Main criteria is Irish luck and possibly mobility, if you did not travel, worked at same job and stayed at same home you might be processed faster.

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by maximus_ » Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:06 pm

Vorona wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:34 pm
There are people out there who were approved in 2019 and have not been able to receive an invitation due to covid. Considering situation in the World this delays are understandable. Even if they started sending affidavits to approved applicant, it will be long before the backlog is cleared.

I think the best you could do is to wait. Sending repetitive emails will most likely result in generic responses, which will only keep you disappointed.
All what you say is understandable and correct.
However the delay in system is present pre-covid times and the lack of genuine effort from the department to resolve this issue is concerning - the Virtual ceremony was a big gimmick in 2020.

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Vorona » Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:30 pm

maximus_ wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:06 pm
All what you say is understandable and correct.
However the delay in system is present pre-covid times and the lack of genuine effort from the department to resolve this issue is concerning - the Virtual ceremony was a big gimmick in 2020.
I understand your frustration. But we can't say that applications are delayed for no reason. Neither you nor anyone else really have any strong evidence of that. Citizenship is not a right or entitlement. It's a privilege that is not be taken for granted simply because you are qualified to apply for it. Even before the COVID it was mentioned in the letters that there will always be cases which will take longer to process.

My point is the same. Do not add to your frustration by getting generic responses from calls or emails. You probably already know that it won't be anything concrete.

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by water_tank1 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:36 pm

maximus_ wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:06 pm
Vorona wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:34 pm
There are people out there who were approved in 2019 and have not been able to receive an invitation due to covid. Considering situation in the World this delays are understandable. Even if they started sending affidavits to approved applicant, it will be long before the backlog is cleared.

I think the best you could do is to wait. Sending repetitive emails will most likely result in generic responses, which will only keep you disappointed.
All what you say is understandable and correct.
However the delay in system is present pre-covid times and the lack of genuine effort from the department to resolve this issue is concerning - the Virtual ceremony was a big gimmick in 2020.
Maximus - I couldn't agree more with you! Theses delays were present pre-covid for example applicants still waiting from 2018 so using covid as an excuse is simply not acceptable. I mean how can applicants who applied in 2020 already have an approval?. its difficult to understand their logic and how they process applications because its obvious from the timeline thread that their not processed in chronological order.

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Paddy1996 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:21 pm

Exactly, I been waiting since February 2018 and still nothing yet how could I accept their excuses by saying oh it’s the COVID who’s making the delay, of course I won’t accept that excuse from them so that’s why I sent them to high court for a quick decision the court gave them 8 weeks time to give me a decision, now their time will be end by 22 of February so by that time I have to get a decision from them , couse they can’t be more late as it’s a court order so hopefully I I’ll get a positive if not then I am gonna go to a high court ageins them couse it’s not fair waiting 3 years for a decision

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Paddy1996 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:19 pm

Well of course I am complaining couse they Says people will decision in 6-12 months not 6 years to 12 years so you can’t live with the visa the way you can live as a citizenship so you have not the same rights so think about it why we should not be complaining about it you probably must be the one that can live only with visa but we most of us can’t live with the visa the whole life

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Vorona » Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:06 am

Paddy1996 wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:19 pm
Well of course I am complaining couse they Says people will decision in 6-12 months not 6 years to 12 years so you can’t live with the visa the way you can live as a citizenship so you have not the same rights so think about it why we should not be complaining about it you probably must be the one that can live only with visa but we most of us can’t live with the visa the whole life
Paddy, majority of applications processed within a year. It's just so happened that your particular application is taking very long to complete. Try to request your data under the freedom of information regulation. It's free of charge. They will give you a copy of your application and additional files which have been created by the Department so you could at least have a look if you see anything that can potentially explain this delay.

Even if this goes for longer, you can still apply for permanent residence in Ireland after 8 years if I'm correct so you could stay here indefinitely.

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Stanina » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:59 am

There was good post from Markem with stats from 2018 based on forum timeline post. 75% received approval within a year. I guess some applications are just slip through the cracks. Non EU and Marriage took longer than other.

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I think if no approval after 2 years, you request docs and status through FOI. If there is nothing there that can cause delay, you tell INIS that you will go to court if no result in 6 weeks time, if not then you go to court and pay legal fees but faster processed application.

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Paddy1996 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:16 am

I actually got the Freedom of information before the high court decision as far as I see it’s the all the process done but they still didint give me the decision they also check 2 times from the police department in relation if I am a good character but I was all clear so still not answer from them so now they have 6 more weeks left to give me decision as it’s a courts order so they won’t give me any delays more I think they can’t do any more delay

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Wow90 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:44 am

Vorona wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:06 am
Paddy1996 wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:19 pm
Well of course I am complaining couse they Says people will decision in 6-12 months not 6 years to 12 years so you can’t live with the visa the way you can live as a citizenship so you have not the same rights so think about it why we should not be complaining about it you probably must be the one that can live only with visa but we most of us can’t live with the visa the whole life
Paddy, majority of applications processed within a year. It's just so happened that your particular application is taking very long to complete. Try to request your data under the freedom of information regulation. It's free of charge. They will give you a copy of your application and additional files which have been created by the Department so you could at least have a look if you see anything that can potentially explain this delay.

Even if this goes for longer, you can still apply for permanent residence in Ireland after 8 years if I'm correct so you could stay here indefinitely.
The majority of the cases are not processed within an year as it has been explained here: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/qu ... %5D=delays

We are very happy you got your approval in less than an year, but please don't undermine people's frustration that has been waiting longer. I am sure you would feel the same if you were waiting 2 years for a straightforward information.

Best regards

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Vorona » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:58 pm

Wow90 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:44 am
We are very happy you got your approval in less than an year, but please don't undermine people's frustration that has been waiting longer. I am sure you would feel the same if you were waiting 2 years for a straightforward information.

Best regards
You're not considering the delays caused by High Court decision last year and COVID-19 this year and how severely the process was affected. I consider myself a majority and the application was completed within 12 months indicated by the Department. I am sure I'm not the only one who was approved from 2020. If my application was delayed for 2 years or more I certainly wouldn't be very happy about it. But it wouldn't make my life unbearable either. I would still have my family, my house, my job, and do the things I love to do. If you believe that your application was unfairly delayed, you still have an option of challenging this delay. Is it worth time, hassle, and very high costs without any guarantee that you will win the case? Not for me. I have better ways of spending thousands of euros. Best of luck to you.

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by longbeach » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:09 am

Vorona wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:58 pm

You're not considering the delays caused by High Court decision last year and COVID-19 this year and how severely the process was affected. I consider myself a majority and the application was completed within 12 months indicated by the Department. I am sure I'm not the only one who was approved from 2020. If my application was delayed for 2 years or more I certainly wouldn't be very happy about it. But it wouldn't make my life unbearable either. I would still have my family, my house, my job, and do the things I love to do. If you believe that your application was unfairly delayed, you still have an option of challenging this delay. Is it worth time, hassle, and very high costs without any guarantee that you will win the case? Not for me. I have better ways of spending thousands of euros. Best of luck to you.
Why do you get worked up when other people express their frustration over their own applications ? A bit odd isn't it for someone with rare luxuries like "a family a job and a house" to get worked up on an immigration forum where majority of people will post because their applications didn't get processed the way they expected. "survivorship bias" it is called. Survivors here on this forum will most likely have something they aren't happy about.

Out of curiosity do you turn up to random funerals too and tell the weeping widow that there is no point in crying, death is just a part of life and before you know it it will be her ? we just don't do that do we ?

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by Vorona » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:29 am

longbeach wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:09 am
Why do you get worked up when other people express their frustration over their own applications ? A bit odd isn't it for someone with rare luxuries like "a family a job and a house" to get worked up on an immigration forum where majority of people will post because their applications didn't get processed the way they expected. "survivorship bias" it is called. Survivors here on this forum will most likely have something they aren't happy about.

Out of curiosity do you turn up to random funerals too and tell the weeping widow that there is no point in crying, death is just a part of life and before you know it it will be her ? we just don't do that do we ?
Just take your pill please :mrgreen:

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Re: Next Ceremony

Post by johnpromise01 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:27 am

longbeach wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:09 am
Vorona wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:58 pm

You're not considering the delays caused by High Court decision last year and COVID-19 this year and how severely the process was affected. I consider myself a majority and the application was completed within 12 months indicated by the Department. I am sure I'm not the only one who was approved from 2020. If my application was delayed for 2 years or more I certainly wouldn't be very happy about it. But it wouldn't make my life unbearable either. I would still have my family, my house, my job, and do the things I love to do. If you believe that your application was unfairly delayed, you still have an option of challenging this delay. Is it worth time, hassle, and very high costs without any guarantee that you will win the case? Not for me. I have better ways of spending thousands of euros. Best of luck to you.
Why do you get worked up when other people express their frustration over their own applications ? A bit odd isn't it for someone with rare luxuries like "a family a job and a house" to get worked up on an immigration forum where majority of people will post because their applications didn't get processed the way they expected. "survivorship bias" it is called. Survivors here on this forum will most likely have something they aren't happy about.

Out of curiosity do you turn up to random funerals too and tell the weeping widow that there is no point in crying, death is just a part of life and before you know it it will be her ? we just don't do that do we ?
Absolutely spot on. Couldn't agree more.

Enjoy your success, but don’t rub it in the faces of other people.

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