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Mark_ir
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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Mark_ir » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:12 pm

Newstylee@ No,My fried decided not to go court as the cost of court proceeding is too high.he cannot afford right now.

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by newstylee » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:39 pm

@mark_ir So what kind of Application he is going to submit, Does he and his family got deportation order?

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Mark_ir » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:15 pm

New stylee@ He is planing to submit student scheme(came as a student 2008) and section 3 immigration act 1999.he did not get any deportation latter yet as INIS only said to him that your child was not entitle for irish passport.so technically he cannot get zambrano anyway.

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by newstylee » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:51 pm

@mark_ir What nationality his child will get then? his child will stateless in this case. I think JR is also good option and he can apply Student scheme as well.

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Mark_ir » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:47 pm

Newstylee@Any update of your case?
Did you apply for student scheme?

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Mark_ir » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:48 am

Newstylee@any update of your case??

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by newstylee » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:35 am

@Mark_ir Hello, No any update yet, we send them reminder and they said they will process soon with chronological order. I applied Student scheme as well before it ended.

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Mark_ir » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:21 pm

Newstylee@ I got same reply even from them.
Any news from student scheme?
Do you know anyone got approval after changing their status to eufam?

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by newstylee » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:24 pm

@mark_ir No I don't know anyone who got visa on student scheme.

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Mark_ir » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:47 pm

Newstylee@ some reason they are completely stop sending all kind of correspondence with everyone even with those student who never changed their status also.

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Dublin2006 » Fri May 10, 2019 2:57 pm

Hi Mark, could you please let me know if they can revoke irish passport for a child if parent got his stamp 4 revoked.
i heard once child got passport they cant cancel it. because it is not by naturalization its by birth.
reply will be highly appreciated

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by dubnew » Fri May 10, 2019 3:39 pm

Dublin2006 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 2:57 pm
Hi Mark, could you please let me know if they can revoke irish passport for a child if parent got his stamp 4 revoked.
i heard once child got passport they cant cancel it. because it is not by naturalization its by birth.
reply will be highly appreciated
When did they revoke your stamp, did they mention revocation date in your letter ?

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Mark_ir » Fri May 10, 2019 5:56 pm

Dublin2006 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 2:57 pm
Hi Mark, could you please let me know if they can revoke irish passport for a child if parent got his stamp 4 revoked.
i heard once child got passport they cant cancel it. because it is not by naturalization its by birth.
reply will be highly appreciated
Hi Dublin2006,
Yes they can if they think your child was not entitlement for irish passport
Is your visa revoked before your child was born?

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Dublin2006 » Fri May 10, 2019 9:05 pm

my visa was valid till my child got the age of 1 year.
then they revoked my stamp 4 recently due to sham marriage they said. it had been 4 and half years that i had stamp 4.

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Mark_ir » Fri May 10, 2019 9:19 pm

Dublin2006 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 9:05 pm
my visa was valid till my child got the age of 1 year.
then they revoked my stamp 4 recently due to sham marriage they said. it had been 4 and half years that i had stamp 4.
If your visa was revoked fact of sham marriage then its clear that your visa is void since your first stamp-4(including any temporary stamp)
So your stamp-4 was not valid when your child was born.
Technically your child was never entitle for irish passport.

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Dublin2006 » Fri May 10, 2019 9:32 pm

yes they gave me 4 weeks time and it was last month

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Mark_ir » Fri May 10, 2019 9:44 pm

Dublin2006 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 9:32 pm
yes they gave me 4 weeks time and it was last month
Did you apply for Zambrano?
Where did you get this letter? From EUTR ?

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Re: Please Urgent Matter!

Post by Obie » Sun May 12, 2019 6:46 pm

If a person's Stamp 4 EU fam is revoked because the EU citizen has ceased from residing in the state, then the revocation commences from the time the minister notified the person of this. A child born to the person before the revocation, provided the person has resided in Ireland for the relevant period before the child was born, will be entitled to Irish Citizenship, and there will be no power to revoke.

If however the marriage was a sham, something the department has the burden of proving, then there was never a right to the residence card, it was fraudulently obtained, and therefore no benefit can be obtained out of the proceeds of fraud.

For people faced with this situation, the key is fighting the departments assertion, and holding them to task to demonstrate fraud. People who faced these situation, must provide sufficient information or evidence like contact, photographs and proof of cohabitation as evidence that a genuine relationship exist at a particular time in the past.

The minister cannot suggest fraud only because a relationship break down, or the couple ceased living together. He will need to demonstrate that a genuine relationship never existed, that the marriage was contracted for the sole purpose of deriving a right from community law.

Applying under Irish Citizenship child is a stupid thing and is bound to fail, as it was demonstrate the person accepting that their EU relationship was a fraud.

The key is to fight the fraudulent marriage allegation, the ability of the child to retain the citizenship, is dependent on that.

The minister does not need to revoke Irish citizenship for a born child. The citizenship cease existing by default. If they parents were residing in the state fraudulently, then they could not say they have accrued the necessary lawful residence prior to the birth of the child.
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