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Settlement Agreement for a decision in 8 weeks time

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facistwon
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Re: Settlement Agreement for a decision in 8 weeks time

Post by facistwon » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:32 pm

Hi Paddy 1996,

Whilst I don't agree with the comments you made about the inis staff but I do understand your frustration as a result of serious breach of JR terms agreed.

Also, you may be aware that the user names "vorona" past comments (which are now deleted) had claimed being extremely delighted with the INIS treatment. So you shouldn't be shocked or surprise if you feel being lectured about' doors open'.

I would just simply say thank you for kind comments.

As for the'refuge' , such a disgusting and disgraceful comment this is. Hate saying that, for the kind of information, how on planet this user "vorona" assumed that you or anyone else has taken refuge. Total Typical ignorant. Not sure if this user has ever passed through a mythical place called "school".

There are doctors, engineers, surgeons and investors who migrated for various reasons, not necessarily refuge. Probably thinks every single foreigner is a refuge here. Nothing but no less than idiotic comment.

Finally Paddy1996 and to all involved in this forum including "obie, please refrain using such remarks, citizenship is not a privilege...blab..blab..bla...

We all know, no need to lecture anyone, nobody asked for it, nobody disagree.

However, this is NOT about so-called privilege. But about the DECISION to be issued in a timely manner. This is exactly what the JR terms came into effect following mandamus application.

Decision, decision, and decision...not necessarily a privilege to be granted. But issuing decision in a timely fashion as per their policy of so-called 12 MONTHS.

Waiting and waiting on for 3-4 years doesn't help anyone involved but certainly increases risk of discrimination, court actions, eventually reputations..

Regards

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Re: Settlement Agreement for a decision in 8 weeks time

Post by Obie » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:52 pm

Well, as moderator I have to maintain decorum, and set out the facts and the law.

Yes I am very upset like everyone is, I understand their frustration, and just incase you are wondering I am not a haters of immigrant as i am one myself irrespective of the piece of paper i hold, and I am a strong believer in the fact that foreigner enrich Ireland.

The minister of Justice recognises the problems with decision making, and taking measure which will come into effect in the 4th Quarter.

However I have different view on matter that relates to exercise of discretion and those relating to automatic right.

As much as I am angry, I recognise that statute does not stipulate length of time foe decision making, and I object to the department breaching a court order she consent to, and in which she made undertaking that she is failing to adhere to.

So I fully stand by my comments, which was not intended to cause any harm to the OP or show insensitivity to his plight.

But calling people drunk when they are your host is not proper.

I use to call the department that when i joined the forum over a decade ago, albeit in a different context, where the law required the minister to give me my request within a set time, but realised I was wrong as they hosted me in their country, and I have a duty to show respect to them.
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Re: Settlement Agreement for a decision in 8 weeks time

Post by Vorona » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:55 pm

Citizenship is a privilege, and not a right.
Like it or not :mrgreen:
facistwon wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:32 pm
As for the'refuge' , such a disgusting and disgraceful comment this is. Hate saying that, for the kind of information, how on planet this user "vorona" assumed that you or anyone else has taken refuge. Total Typical ignorant. Not sure if this user has ever passed through a mythical place called "school".
Paddy, maybe you step in and remind facistwon that you have said in the past that you're a refugee. facistwon apparently had a great privilege of finishing school and will certainly appreciate if you give them a chance to practice their reading skills.
Last edited by Vorona on Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Settlement Agreement for a decision in 8 weeks time

Post by Obie » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:00 pm

Emu1990 wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:44 pm
You haven't got ur decision yet and still u advise everyone for JR ...
There is nothing wrong with him advising people of their options.

Please guys I do not want anyone to incite discord on the forum.

Let us act with respect and courtesy to each other, with sensitivity to individual's personal circumstances.

If we have nothing constructive to say, best not to say anything.
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Re: Settlement Agreement for a decision in 8 weeks time

Post by Obie » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:04 pm

Vorona wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:55 pm
Citizenship is a privilege, and not a right.
Like it or not :mrgreen:
facistwon wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:32 pm
As for the'refuge' , such a disgusting and disgraceful comment this is. Hate saying that, for the kind of information, how on planet this user "vorona" assumed that you or anyone else has taken refuge. Total Typical ignorant. Not sure if this user has ever passed through a mythical place called "school".
Paddy, maybe you step in and remind facistwon that you have said in the past that you're a refugee. facistwon apparently had a great privilege of finishing school and will certainly appreciate if you give them a chance to practice their reading skills.
Well I believe this is a fact that is appreciated.

The point is not about whether it is a right or privilege.

The minister has made an undertaking to the Courts to make a decision on an application to duly made and paid for. She has to adhere to it.

Excessive delay is an unlawful act, she acknowledges this, which was why she meeade her undertaking, she must show regards to the courts and exercise her discretion.

Being a refugee is not a criminal offense. The minister has an obligation under international convention to ensure she helps integrates a refugee, who has made Ireland their home.

So if anything, there is a compelling reason to make a speedy decision in the case of a refugee.

But nevertheless it is a discretion, a fact I am sure everyone recognises
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Re: Settlement Agreement for a decision in 8 weeks time

Post by facistwon » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:00 am

Citizenship is a privilege, and not a right.
Like it or not :mrgreen:

Again, and Indeed, it's not a rocket science to be a futile.

Anyways, "Grass has been cut, snakes have been revealed", as expected.

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Re: Settlement Agreement for a decision in 8 weeks time

Post by Obie » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:09 am

facistwon wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:00 am
Citizenship is a privilege, and not a right.
Like it or not :mrgreen:

Again, and Indeed, it's not a rocket science to be a futile.

Anyways, "Grass has been cut, snakes have been revealed", as expected.

Regards
I am sure my comments does not make me some sort of treacherous person, but you are free to hold that view if you like. I do not justify myself to mankind.
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Re: Settlement Agreement for a decision in 8 weeks time

Post by Vorona » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:22 am

facistwon wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:00 am
Again, and Indeed, it's not a rocket science to be a futile.
Anyways, "Grass has been cut, snakes have been revealed", as expected.
And yet you've managed to extract some quite futile points despite finishing school. Good to know that you started mowing your lawn and even found a few snakes. Next time don't bother with the grass, just look into the mirror.

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Re: Settlement Agreement for a decision in 8 weeks time

Post by Shelter » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:27 am

@admin it's a time to lock this topic ...

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