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Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Myself_andI » Tue May 28, 2019 7:35 pm

Guys,

I came across a very hostile immigration officer.She asked me a bunch of papers on my end,almost all the papers I’ve send to the Government for EU Fam. Anyway,I will get them to her when my wife goes back to get the visa.

The question is that the officer did not put any stamp on my wife’s passport. She just said that she will notify us when the card will be ready.

Wasn’t she supposed to stamp the passport also?Or has the procedure changed? Or is it stamped when you get the card?

She also did not take any money which she was supposed to.

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by littlerr » Tue May 28, 2019 8:04 pm

INIS just updated their website to reflect the changes:

If you live in Dublin, you should get the stamp first, and receive IRP card in the post.

If you live outside Dublin, unfortunately they will no longer stamp your passport on your first visit. They should arrange a second visit date with you to give you the stamp and IRP at the same time.

Regarding the registration fee, if you live outside Dublin, some local Garda stations may choose to charge you only when you collect your IRP.
If you live in Dublin, you should pay the fee on the first visit. However, my girlfriend got her Stamp 4 as a de facto partner last month without paying any fee. She skipped one registration fee two years ago too. I don’t know why - May just depend on the officer’s mood.

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Myself_andI » Tue May 28, 2019 8:22 pm

littlerr wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 8:04 pm
INIS just updated their website to reflect the changes:

If you live in Dublin, you should get the stamp first, and receive IRP card in the post.

If you live outside Dublin, unfortunately they will no longer stamp your passport on your first visit. They should arrange a second visit date with you to give you the stamp and IRP at the same time.

Regarding the registration fee, if you live outside Dublin, some local Garda stations may choose to charge you only when you collect your IRP.
If you live in Dublin, you should pay the fee on the first visit. However, my girlfriend got her Stamp 4 as a de facto partner last month without paying any fee. She skipped one registration fee two years ago too. I don’t know why - May just depend on the officer’s mood.
You help me every time.thank you very much!

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by masterboy123 » Tue May 28, 2019 9:09 pm

No fee for EU FAM.

I live outside of Dublin and immigration officer was kind and stamped my passport also, IRP to arrive in 3 weeks time.

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by AJ 729 » Tue May 28, 2019 10:30 pm

Myself_andI wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 7:35 pm
Guys,

I came across a very hostile immigration officer.She asked me a bunch of papers on my end,almost all the papers I’ve send to the Government for EU Fam. Anyway,I will get them to her when my wife goes back to get the visa.

The question is that the officer did not put any stamp on my wife’s passport. She just said that she will notify us when the card will be ready.

Wasn’t she supposed to stamp the passport also?Or has the procedure changed? Or is it stamped when you get the card?

She also did not take any money which she was supposed to.
Hi..
There’s no fees for (Stamp4 EuFam) at all!!
I’m living outside Dublin and I just got stamp4eufam two weeks ago I was told The residence card will arrive between two to three weeks.
Once the residence card will arrive they will contact you and she will get both things together

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Obie » Tue May 28, 2019 11:34 pm

Immigration officers outside Dublin are not permitted to stamp passport before issuance of GNIB card. I have mentioned it before.

It is only one individual on this forum that was an exception to that.

Once your IRP is issued, the officer will duly stamped your passport for you.
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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by masterboy123 » Wed May 29, 2019 11:35 am

Yea I did get the stamp on my passport before getting the IRP. The immigration officer was kind enough as my case is genuine and I submitted EU3 application 7 months ago without being issued any temporary permission.

I suggest wait for 2 week until you get IRP.

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Myself_andI » Fri May 31, 2019 9:00 pm

Obie wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 11:34 pm
Immigration officers outside Dublin are not permitted to stamp passport before issuance of GNIB card. I have mentioned it before.

It is only one individual on this forum that was an exception to that.

Once your IRP is issued, the officer will duly stamped your passport for you.
Do you know of there is a possibility that the Garda immigration will bot grand the Stamp 4?

We have a very not friendly woman as in our case.She asked me as an EU citizen a bunch of extra papers like work contract,apartment contract,pretty much whatever I submitted to the government to get stamp 4.
She also focused on the fact that my wife was not in the apartment contract.I told her it was not possible as the landlord stated.I will get a letter from him stating exactly that but she was just fixed on that.We have also given her utility bills,and bank account and pps with my wife’s name and address but she was just kept asking for more.

We will return to get my wife’s card and I have everything she wants but I am worried about the contract.Can she create problem and bot give us the card?

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Obie » Fri May 31, 2019 9:28 pm

It is wrong what this woman is doing and you need to make a complaint about her to the justice department, they need to get a grip on her, she is not the minister. There is a reason why Oireachtas empowers the minister of Justice rather than mere immigration officer with the power to grant permission to remain in the state.

I know some immigration unit are very problematic, I know the names of some immigration officers at regional unit who acts as if they are the minister of Justice, they are not, and their role is to simply to implement the minister's decision. I feel like naming and shaming them, but as this is a forum and they will have no means of defending themselves, it will be inappropriate to do so.

I have heard that some of them try to go behind the minister's decision by trying to enquire for themselves whether a person qualifies, and this is wrong.
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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Myself_andI » Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:36 am

Obie wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 9:28 pm
It is wrong what this woman is doing and you need to make a complaint about her to the justice department, they need to get a grip on her, she is not the minister. There is a reason why Oireachtas empowers the minister of Justice rather than mere immigration officer with the power to grant permission to remain in the state.

I know some immigration unit are very problematic, I know the names of some immigration officers at regional unit who acts as if they are the minister of Justice, they are not, and their role is to simply to implement the minister's decision. I feel like naming and shaming them, but as this is a forum and they will have no means of defending themselves, it will be inappropriate to do so.

I have heard that some of them try to go behind the minister's decision by trying to enquire for themselves whether a person qualifies, and this is wrong.
I agree with you.She was very invasive second guessing everything, I will make a complaint about her.

Do you think she will give us more trouble or she is not permitted not to give us the stamp?How should I handle this once We go back? Obviously I have all the papers but I want to understand how far can she take it.

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Myself_andI » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:18 pm

Hi guys,

I need some advise again.

The agency that I am leasing my house from is not replying to my emails in order to provide the letter I’ve asked(which will say that the lease cannot be amended at this point in order to include my wife’s name).
I do however, have a a reference letter from them that has both my wife's and my name and the email from them that says that the lease cannot be amended.

Based on that, how possible do you thing the hostile officer will refuse our stamp 4? Is it in her rights to do so regardless of all the other documents we brought?

I don’t know how much she can push it and what are my rights as an EU citizen.

Thanks

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Grand2015 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:28 am

littlerr wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 8:04 pm
INIS just updated their website to reflect the changes:

If you live in Dublin, you should get the stamp first, and receive IRP card in the post.

If you live outside Dublin, unfortunately they will no longer stamp your passport on your first visit. They should arrange a second visit date with you to give you the stamp and IRP at the same time.

Regarding the registration fee, if you live outside Dublin, some local Garda stations may choose to charge you only when you collect your IRP.
If you live in Dublin, you should pay the fee on the first visit. However, my girlfriend got her Stamp 4 as a de facto partner last month without paying any fee. She skipped one registration fee two years ago too. I don’t know why - May just depend on the officer’s mood.

Hey so we got the same visa as your girlfriend. Have you guys travelled out of the country yet and what did u use. We are thinking to travel to the UK for 3 weeks but not sure what my partner needs to be able to travel to the uk

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by littlerr » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:26 pm

Myself_andI wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:18 pm
Hi guys,

I need some advise again.

The agency that I am leasing my house from is not replying to my emails in order to provide the letter I’ve asked(which will say that the lease cannot be amended at this point in order to include my wife’s name).
I do however, have a a reference letter from them that has both my wife's and my name and the email from them that says that the lease cannot be amended.

Based on that, how possible do you thing the hostile officer will refuse our stamp 4? Is it in her rights to do so regardless of all the other documents we brought?

I don’t know how much she can push it and what are my rights as an EU citizen.

Thanks
I don’t think she will try to give you a hard time when you return. After all the Stamp 4 will have been issued at that time, and you will be basically just collecting it from the station.

However, you are obliged to bring a valid proof of address for your wife. The onus is on you. If you do not get any responses from your agency, call them or walk to their office.

Having said that, is letter from landlord really a mandatory document? Can she not provide bank statements, utility bills or any other proofs?
Last edited by littlerr on Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by littlerr » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:27 pm

Grand2015 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:28 am
Hey so we got the same visa as your girlfriend. Have you guys travelled out of the country yet and what did u use. We are thinking to travel to the UK for 3 weeks but not sure what my partner needs to be able to travel to the uk

Regards
Your few posts contradict each other so I’m not convinced you have the same permit. Also there is no longer any visa for non-EU adult residents here.

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Corw » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:58 pm

Hi
Can you please advise me how long does it take for INIS to send a letter for initial stamp 4 these days ?
and dose anyone know INIS acknowledge to the applicant once application has been submitted ?
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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Myself_andI » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:00 pm

littlerr wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:26 pm
Myself_andI wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:18 pm
Hi guys,

I need some advise again.

The agency that I am leasing my house from is not replying to my emails in order to provide the letter I’ve asked(which will say that the lease cannot be amended at this point in order to include my wife’s name).
I do however, have a a reference letter from them that has both my wife's and my name and the email from them that says that the lease cannot be amended.

Based on that, how possible do you thing the hostile officer will refuse our stamp 4? Is it in her rights to do so regardless of all the other documents we brought?

I don’t know how much she can push it and what are my rights as an EU citizen.

Thanks
I don’t think she will try to give you a hard time when you return. After all the Stamp 4 will have been issued at that time, and you will be basically just collecting it from the station.

However, you are obliged to bring a valid proof of address for your wife. The onus is on you. If you do not get any responses from your agency, call them or walk to their office.

Having said that, is letter from landlord really a mandatory document? Can she not provide bank statements, utility bills or any other proofs?
We provided
1.Letter from RTB
2.Bank Statement
3. PPS card
4.the last 2 months of utility bills with her name on

The officer got stuck on the lease.

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Obie » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:26 pm

I am puzzled why your local immigration officer is behaving in that way. I have knowledge of the requirements of most county Garda, and I must say I do not have experience of an immigration officer behaving this way, essentially frustrating the intentions of the minister, which is clearly to confer a temporary right on your wife to stay in the state pending the consideration of her application.

What you have seems very sufficient in my view.
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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by littlerr » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:49 pm

Unless the minister himself has specifically requested for a letter from your agency, this is way more than sufficient. Even the naturalisation application requires only 3 proofs of address.

Just attend your garda station when the IRP card is ready for collection with all of your other proofs. If they give you any hassle, just tell them you forgot to bring that letter, and make an official complaint with INIS.

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Myself_andI » Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:37 pm

littlerr wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:49 pm
Unless the minister himself has specifically requested for a letter from your agency, this is way more than sufficient. Even the naturalisation application requires only 3 proofs of address.

Just attend your garda station when the IRP card is ready for collection with all of your other proofs. If they give you any hassle, just tell them you forgot to bring that letter, and make an official complaint with INIS.
Thank you very much.I will keep you posted

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Re: Stamp 4 on passport

Post by Myself_andI » Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:40 pm

Obie wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:26 pm
I am puzzled why your local immigration officer is behaving in that way. I have knowledge of the requirements of most county Garda, and I must say I do not have experience of an immigration officer behaving this way, essentially frustrating the intentions of the minister, which is clearly to confer a temporary right on your wife to stay in the state pending the consideration of her application.

What you have seems very sufficient in my view.

I understand what you are saying because i left puzzled as well.I thought that what we gave was more than enough and that it would cover proof of address.

I assume it is based on their mood of the day.I cannot find any other logic.

I really hope that she will bot cause any other issues.

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