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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by Myself_andI » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:06 pm

sembe wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:56 pm
Myself_andI wrote:
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:29 am
Congrats ! Hopefully we will be in the draft soon as well !
Definitely you will be next. Let me know as soon as you get your result.

Lets try and keep this post open cause I have a feeling that we will need to talk to each other for the next step stamp 4 process.
Good idea, we will only change the title.
Once you have the results please post it and we will start a post with new topic so address the next step. Hope you will have results soon.

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by Myself_andI » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:13 pm

blastbass wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:57 am
Well they now splitted the "Join Family" Process anyway in the waiting times. They made a big leap anyway.
Hi,

Just to give you and all who read this a heads up.

Today I came to Ireland with my wife. I went to pick her up and we entered the country together. The woman at the immigration desk she was ignorant of the procedure. She insisted that we should have got a Visa D and not a C and no matter how much I was trying to explain to her that HER government's laws require Visa C for our specific case she got pissed off.
Needless to say I was polite and needless to say she was not.
In the end she gave us the 3 month stamp (as a favour) to enter the country ans she asked for our marriage certificate.

So be prepared for this in case it happens and have some pages printed from INIS to show them cause i assume they will be others like her.

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by sembe » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:06 pm

I just received the worst news - my wife visa is Refused!!

Only reason given on the letter is: You have failed to prove you qualify as beneficiary of Dir 2004/38/EC

I have never been this much confused; is this normal for them not to provide any explanation???

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by sembe » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:07 pm

Myself_andI wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:13 pm
blastbass wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:57 am
Well they now splitted the "Join Family" Process anyway in the waiting times. They made a big leap anyway.
Hi,

Just to give you and all who read this a heads up.

Today I came to Ireland with my wife. I went to pick her up and we entered the country together. The woman at the immigration desk she was ignorant of the procedure. She insisted that we should have got a Visa D and not a C and no matter how much I was trying to explain to her that HER government's laws require Visa C for our specific case she got pissed off.
Needless to say I was polite and needless to say she was not.
In the end she gave us the 3 month stamp (as a favour) to enter the country ans she asked for our marriage certificate.

So be prepared for this in case it happens and have some pages printed from INIS to show them cause i assume they will be others like her.
Congratulations Sir!

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by Myself_andI » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:09 pm

sembe wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:06 pm
I just received the worst news - my wife visa is Refused!!

Only reason given on the letter is: You have failed to prove you qualify as beneficiary of Dir 2004/38/EC

I have never been this much confused; is this normal for them not to provide any explanation???
What?why?
Send them and email and ask them for explaination.

What papers have you submitted with the application?

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by sembe » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:21 pm

Myself_andI wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:09 pm
sembe wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:06 pm
I just received the worst news - my wife visa is Refused!!

Only reason given on the letter is: You have failed to prove you qualify as beneficiary of Dir 2004/38/EC

I have never been this much confused; is this normal for them not to provide any explanation???
What?why?
Send them and email and ask them for explaination.

What papers have you submitted with the application?
I submitted so many documents: Bank statement, P60, RTB, pay slips, employment contract, marriage certificate etc; above and beyond what is required because I have been in Ireland working for almost 2 years so I pretty much have every documents they suggested on the website. In addition my wife has visited me in Ireland 3 times using C visa; I am still in disbelief!!

I will write an e-mail first thing in the morning to request explanation.

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by Myself_andI » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:35 pm

sembe wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:21 pm
Myself_andI wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:09 pm
sembe wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:06 pm
I just received the worst news - my wife visa is Refused!!

Only reason given on the letter is: You have failed to prove you qualify as beneficiary of Dir 2004/38/EC

I have never been this much confused; is this normal for them not to provide any explanation???
What?why?
Send them and email and ask them for explaination.

What papers have you submitted with the application?
I submitted so many documents: Bank statement, P60, RTB, pay slips, employment contract, marriage certificate etc; above and beyond what is required because I have been in Ireland working for almost 2 years so I pretty much have every documents they suggested on the website. In addition my wife has visited me in Ireland 3 times using C visa; I am still in disbelief!!

I will write an e-mail first thing in the morning to request explanation.
I am amazed!What else did they want?pictures of the two of you?They should send more explaination. I am so sorry my friend.If we can help in any way, let us know

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by blastbass » Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:09 am

sembe wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:21 pm
Myself_andI wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:09 pm
sembe wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:06 pm
I just received the worst news - my wife visa is Refused!!

Only reason given on the letter is: You have failed to prove you qualify as beneficiary of Dir 2004/38/EC

I have never been this much confused; is this normal for them not to provide any explanation???
What?why?
Send them and email and ask them for explaination.

What papers have you submitted with the application?
I submitted so many documents: Bank statement, P60, RTB, pay slips, employment contract, marriage certificate etc; above and beyond what is required because I have been in Ireland working for almost 2 years so I pretty much have every documents they suggested on the website. In addition my wife has visited me in Ireland 3 times using C visa; I am still in disbelief!!

I will write an e-mail first thing in the morning to request explanation.
So sorry to hear this. Am I right with the impression you're a british citizen? Even though it's not comunnicated, after all I experienced so far and the lack communication from INIS I wouldn't be suprised if they declining applications for spouses of british citizens due to the brexit chaos ...

Wish you all strengh possible. We're still waiting so let's see when the visa of my wife is being processed.

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by sembe » Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:27 am

blastbass wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:09 am
sembe wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:21 pm
Myself_andI wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:09 pm
sembe wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:06 pm
I just received the worst news - my wife visa is Refused!!

Only reason given on the letter is: You have failed to prove you qualify as beneficiary of Dir 2004/38/EC

I have never been this much confused; is this normal for them not to provide any explanation???
What?why?
Send them and email and ask them for explaination.

What papers have you submitted with the application?
I submitted so many documents: Bank statement, P60, RTB, pay slips, employment contract, marriage certificate etc; above and beyond what is required because I have been in Ireland working for almost 2 years so I pretty much have every documents they suggested on the website. In addition my wife has visited me in Ireland 3 times using C visa; I am still in disbelief!!

I will write an e-mail first thing in the morning to request explanation.
So sorry to hear this. Am I right with the impression you're a british citizen? Even though it's not comunnicated, after all I experienced so far and the lack communication from INIS I wouldn't be suprised if they declining applications for spouses of british citizens due to the brexit chaos ...

Wish you all strengh possible. We're still waiting so let's see when the visa of my wife is being processed.


Thank you. Yes, are right on being british (you make me feel like there is a conspiracy against us now.. :D :D :D ). Don't give up hope.

After the initial shock i now feel like being refused is part of the process because after all this is an application. That said, the lack of explanation on the refusal letter makes me feel some inis staff are practicing an outright abuse of power; how can you put a one liner: You have failed to prove you qualify as beneficiary of Dir 2004/38/EC then mention I have a right to appeal!! Where do I start to appeal??

Any of you guys have idea how I should approach this???

Much appreciated

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by Myself_andI » Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:00 pm

sembe wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:27 am
blastbass wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:09 am
sembe wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:21 pm
Myself_andI wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:09 pm


What?why?
Send them and email and ask them for explaination.

What papers have you submitted with the application?
I submitted so many documents: Bank statement, P60, RTB, pay slips, employment contract, marriage certificate etc; above and beyond what is required because I have been in Ireland working for almost 2 years so I pretty much have every documents they suggested on the website. In addition my wife has visited me in Ireland 3 times using C visa; I am still in disbelief!!

I will write an e-mail first thing in the morning to request explanation.
So sorry to hear this. Am I right with the impression you're a british citizen? Even though it's not comunnicated, after all I experienced so far and the lack communication from INIS I wouldn't be suprised if they declining applications for spouses of british citizens due to the brexit chaos ...

Wish you all strengh possible. We're still waiting so let's see when the visa of my wife is being processed.


Thank you. Yes, are right on being british (you make me feel like there is a conspiracy against us now.. :D :D :D ). Don't give up hope.

After the initial shock i now feel like being refused is part of the process because after all this is an application. That said, the lack of explanation on the refusal letter makes me feel some inis staff are practicing an outright abuse of power; how can you put a one liner: You have failed to prove you qualify as beneficiary of Dir 2004/38/EC then mention I have a right to appeal!! Where do I start to appeal??

Any of you guys have idea how I should approach this???

Much appreciated
My friend I do not know if it would be better to send a new application or do an appeal mostly because I don't know the actual grounds for the refusal.
I would suggest sending them emails over emails until you get a response as to why the refused and what it is missing. After you find this out then you will see if an appeal is worth your time. But check how long the appeals are taking to be examined.

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by sembe » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:26 am

Myself_andI wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:00 pm
sembe wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:27 am
blastbass wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:09 am
sembe wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:21 pm


I submitted so many documents: Bank statement, P60, RTB, pay slips, employment contract, marriage certificate etc; above and beyond what is required because I have been in Ireland working for almost 2 years so I pretty much have every documents they suggested on the website. In addition my wife has visited me in Ireland 3 times using C visa; I am still in disbelief!!

I will write an e-mail first thing in the morning to request explanation.
So sorry to hear this. Am I right with the impression you're a british citizen? Even though it's not comunnicated, after all I experienced so far and the lack communication from INIS I wouldn't be suprised if they declining applications for spouses of british citizens due to the brexit chaos ...

Wish you all strengh possible. We're still waiting so let's see when the visa of my wife is being processed.


Thank you. Yes, are right on being british (you make me feel like there is a conspiracy against us now.. :D :D :D ). Don't give up hope.

After the initial shock i now feel like being refused is part of the process because after all this is an application. That said, the lack of explanation on the refusal letter makes me feel some inis staff are practicing an outright abuse of power; how can you put a one liner: You have failed to prove you qualify as beneficiary of Dir 2004/38/EC then mention I have a right to appeal!! Where do I start to appeal??

Any of you guys have idea how I should approach this???

Much appreciated
My friend I do not know if it would be better to send a new application or do an appeal mostly because I don't know the actual grounds for the refusal.
I would suggest sending them emails over emails until you get a response as to why the refused and what it is missing. After you find this out then you will see if an appeal is worth your time. But check how long the appeals are taking to be examined.

Thank you.

I am preparing appeal but I might submit fresh application if they don't respond to my e-mail by next week.

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by blastbass » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:56 am

Get that case also to SOLVIT in the UK !

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by sembe » Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:15 am

blastbass wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:56 am
Get that case also to SOLVIT in the UK !
Thank you. Doing that too.

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by blastbass » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:21 pm

I am curious what my application will be...

I sumitted the rental contract, Working contract, correspondence with my HR Manager, PPS Number and so on. Didn't thought about payslips. Other then that only thing in consideration should be the passports of my wife. Because she holds a residence title for Austria (which is permanent but the card needs to be renewed all 5 years) and it expires in May this year. However Bosnian Citizens don't need to obtain a visa travelling in the Schengen Area so that's that.

I hope sincerly these won't be any obstacles ...

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by Myself_andI » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:51 am

blastbass wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:21 pm
I am curious what my application will be...

I sumitted the rental contract, Working contract, correspondence with my HR Manager, PPS Number and so on. Didn't thought about payslips. Other then that only thing in consideration should be the passports of my wife. Because she holds a residence title for Austria (which is permanent but the card needs to be renewed all 5 years) and it expires in May this year. However Bosnian Citizens don't need to obtain a visa travelling in the Schengen Area so that's that.

I hope sincerly these won't be any obstacles ...
I think you are fine without payslips.I have provided them but you have contract signed and PPS so you are fine. You will need those in the second phase though. I am preparing the paperwork now for Stamp 4. I think it is a good think that your wife has a residency in Austria. They will see it and they will know that she had no problems in obtaining that so, it is a thumps up for them.

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by blastbass » Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:07 pm

Well as I said, the residence title is "unlimited" but the card needs to be renewed every 5 years. And this card is expiring in May this year so a bit more than a month. What I found at the french, spanish and german embassy websites is that they published a Visa Checklist (also for EU Spouse) 1 week ago where they are referring to the "residence title" and that it needs to be valid at least 3 month after the intended date of return. So I'm a bit scared now that Austria (though speficially pointing to INIS) has that requirement too and my wife's visa will be denied and the whole mess starts again .... Her Passport though is valid 10 years now but still I'm a bit scared because Austria requested to see it before they were sending the Data to Dublin. I don't know if it was just to see the residence permit so that she is legally in Austria or else. Since that whole process kicked off I lost all my trust in these authorities being honest and helpful as they actually obliged to be as per EU Treaty laws.

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by Myself_andI » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:06 am

blastbass wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:07 pm
Well as I said, the residence title is "unlimited" but the card needs to be renewed every 5 years. And this card is expiring in May this year so a bit more than a month. What I found at the french, spanish and german embassy websites is that they published a Visa Checklist (also for EU Spouse) 1 week ago where they are referring to the "residence title" and that it needs to be valid at least 3 month after the intended date of return. So I'm a bit scared now that Austria (though speficially pointing to INIS) has that requirement too and my wife's visa will be denied and the whole mess starts again .... Her Passport though is valid 10 years now but still I'm a bit scared because Austria requested to see it before they were sending the Data to Dublin. I don't know if it was just to see the residence permit so that she is legally in Austria or else. Since that whole process kicked off I lost all my trust in these authorities being honest and helpful as they actually obliged to be as per EU Treaty laws.
I am really sure it will be fine. How long since you applied? to estimate the time

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by blastbass » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:32 am

Application has been forwarded on the 14th

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by Myself_andI » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:47 am

blastbass wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:32 am
Application has been forwarded on the 14th
I think that at end of next week you should be waiting the good news.

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by blastbass » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:49 am

I pray you're right. I'm flying down to Austria tomorrow anyway. If all goes well we may can come back together ...

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by Myself_andI » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:54 am

Mine was 4 weeks to the date of redirection to Dublin. My wife received the email on Thursday. I think you will be coming back with her!

Mind yourself though....Print the INIS paes for the visa.The immigration has no idea about Visa C.

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by blastbass » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:16 am

I know. Everything is ready. However as I said... I lost every trust in authorities and remain afraid until we know what's the deal

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by blastbass » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:08 am

Very interessting

Dear Citizen,

Thank you for your enquiry to the Your Europe Advice service.

The nature of your enquiry is not entirely clear. Renewal of the Austrian residence card is a matter for the Austrian authorities. The Irish authorities will not be interested in this document unless it is a residence card issued pursuant to Article 10, Directive 2004/38/EC in which case, she could rely on the document in lieu of a visa to enter Ireland to join you there (Article 5, Directive 2004/38/EC).

In any event, it appears that she has applied for an entry visa into Ireland. If, as appears to be the case, you are concerned about issue of the visa, this visa should issue to her without formality or delay or charge (Article 5, Directive 2004/38/EC). Her visa application to enter Ireland requires only that she can present her valid passport and your marriage certificate. No other evidence such as her Austrian residence card will be required.


We trust that this information is of some assistance to you. Should you have any further queries in relation to the above or protection of your rights in the EU, please do not hesitate to revert to the Your Europe Advice service: http://ec.europa.eu/eu-rights/enquiry-c ... -form/home

Yours sincerely,
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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by Myself_andI » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:45 am

blastbass wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:08 am
Very interessting

Dear Citizen,

Thank you for your enquiry to the Your Europe Advice service.

The nature of your enquiry is not entirely clear. Renewal of the Austrian residence card is a matter for the Austrian authorities. The Irish authorities will not be interested in this document unless it is a residence card issued pursuant to Article 10, Directive 2004/38/EC in which case, she could rely on the document in lieu of a visa to enter Ireland to join you there (Article 5, Directive 2004/38/EC).

In any event, it appears that she has applied for an entry visa into Ireland. If, as appears to be the case, you are concerned about issue of the visa, this visa should issue to her without formality or delay or charge (Article 5, Directive 2004/38/EC). Her visa application to enter Ireland requires only that she can present her valid passport and your marriage certificate. No other evidence such as her Austrian residence card will be required.


We trust that this information is of some assistance to you. Should you have any further queries in relation to the above or protection of your rights in the EU, please do not hesitate to revert to the Your Europe Advice service: http://ec.europa.eu/eu-rights/enquiry-c ... -form/home

Yours sincerely,
Your Europe Advice
That is very good. It means that one is irrelevant to the other. I suppose visa is due this week

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Re: Visa C application redirected in Dublin

Post by Myself_andI » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:48 am

blastbass wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:08 am
Very interessting

Dear Citizen,

Thank you for your enquiry to the Your Europe Advice service.

The nature of your enquiry is not entirely clear. Renewal of the Austrian residence card is a matter for the Austrian authorities. The Irish authorities will not be interested in this document unless it is a residence card issued pursuant to Article 10, Directive 2004/38/EC in which case, she could rely on the document in lieu of a visa to enter Ireland to join you there (Article 5, Directive 2004/38/EC).

In any event, it appears that she has applied for an entry visa into Ireland. If, as appears to be the case, you are concerned about issue of the visa, this visa should issue to her without formality or delay or charge (Article 5, Directive 2004/38/EC). Her visa application to enter Ireland requires only that she can present her valid passport and your marriage certificate. No other evidence such as her Austrian residence card will be required.


We trust that this information is of some assistance to you. Should you have any further queries in relation to the above or protection of your rights in the EU, please do not hesitate to revert to the Your Europe Advice service: http://ec.europa.eu/eu-rights/enquiry-c ... -form/home

Yours sincerely,
Your Europe Advice
Hey man,

Any news on your wife's visa? we have just applied for the Stamp 4.

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