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Registering with GP without a passport?

Post by StellarCow » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:34 am

Hello, I have been in this country for 6 years. I Know it doesnt matter but I am mentioning it just in case. Anyway, I have recently applied for a new VISA and it has been rejected and I am on an ongoing appeal process. All these years I haven't registered for a GP (yes, I know I was stupid not to). Right now, I am really sick (Dealing with blood lose and stuff). Recently, I have been to the emergency center and they did some checks on me and sent me home with some prescribed medicine and told me to go to GP. I thought a copy of the passport would be enough for the GP so as I visited my local GP it turned out otherwise. I am still sick and it has been more than a month. I don't know what to do. Is there any solution to my problem? I need to get checked properly. Looking for some sort of advice.

PS: I do not have any other UK identity verification such as drivers license etc.. I always used my passport.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by riz1986 » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:48 am

try different surgeries
do u hv NHS number u can remember applying ?
Just take all da proofs such as utility bills,HO acknowledgement letter ,previous visa copies etc n I hope they would register.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by Petaltop » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:02 am

StellarCow wrote:I have recently applied for a new VISA and it has been rejected and I am on an ongoing appeal process.
NHS has never has been free for those that don't' have valid UK visa (legal status) but many people still managed to get free NHS as the UK never checked before. Now the NHS must check instead of staff just giving treatment for free to everyone who turns up. NHS is only free at all times if you are British or have ILR or PR.

You can use the NHS but will need to pay for any tests, treatment and medicine(full price, not NHS rates).

When a visa is granted you will be allowed free NHS for the duration of that visa. If the visa is for 6 months or less, then you don't get free NHS and will have to pay for the NHS when you use it.

While you wait for your appeal you should get full health insurance in case you need operation or stay on ward A bill for that will cost thousands of pounds and NHS bills over total 1k must be paid before a visa is issued.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by StellarCow » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:34 am

riz1986 wrote:try different surgeries
do u hv NHS number u can remember applying ?
Just take all da proofs such as utility bills,HO acknowledgement letter ,previous visa copies etc n I hope they would register.

I've tried taking my utility bills and copy of passport but didn''t work. :(

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by StellarCow » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:35 am

Petaltop wrote:
StellarCow wrote:I have recently applied for a new VISA and it has been rejected and I am on an ongoing appeal process.
NHS has never has been free for those that don't' have valid UK visa (legal status) but many people still managed to get free NHS as the UK never checked before. Now the NHS must check instead of staff just giving treatment for free to everyone who turns up. NHS is only free at all times if you are British or have ILR or PR.

You can use the NHS but will need to pay for any tests, treatment and medicine(full price, not NHS rates).

When a visa is granted you will be allowed free NHS for the duration of that visa. If the visa is for 6 months or less, then you don't get free NHS and will have to pay for the NHS when you use it.

While you wait for your appeal you should get full health insurance in case you need operation or stay on ward A bill for that will cost thousands of pounds and NHS bills over total 1k must be paid before a visa is issued.
But, doesn't being on appeal status count as staying legally in the country? And how is it that they had my name in the registry when I went to the emergency center? Its like they asked my last name and DOB and they already knew who I was.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by Petaltop » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:49 am

StellarCow wrote: But, doesn't being on appeal status count as staying legally in the country?
Being legal for immigration purposes and having legal stay for free NHS, are two different things. You no longer have a visa that would have allowed you free use of the NHS.
StellarCow wrote:And how is it that they had my name in the registry when I went to the emergency center? Its like they asked my last name and DOB and they already knew who I was.
That's part of the new system the UK has invented to prevent people taking NHS for free when they should be billed. They know who you are as they have access to the data the UK has on you. If you needed emergency treatment and didn't pay your bill, then the NHS inform UKVI. Everything is linked between UK departments to exchange information on immigrants.
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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by secret.simon » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:53 am

Do you have an HO acknowledgement letter? That may suffice.

A&E would typically be free, but given the pressures on A&E, they are pushing routine matters back to GPs.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by StellarCow » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:58 am

secret.simon wrote:Do you have an HO acknowledgement letter? That may suffice.

A&E would typically be free, but given the pressures on A&E, they are pushing routine matters back to GPs.

Yes I do have the letter from HO. Would that be enough? I really need some medical attention because I am losing blooding almost everyday.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by Petaltop » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:03 am

secret.simon wrote:Do you have an HO acknowledgement letter? That may suffice.
For free NHS she needs legal status in the UK and she has been refused a visa. It has always been this way for the NHS but as we all know it was easy to use the NHS for free as they never checked. Now they must check, or be fined. The new BRPs and IHS details on there will make it even easier for the NHS to check who must pay as immigrants will have to show their BRPs to get free NHS or they will be billed.

She can use the NHS, but not for free treatment or medication. If it is for life saving they will not be refused treatment but will still be billed. Bills 1k or more must be paid before a visa can be issued. NHS and UKVI share information.
secret.simon wrote:A&E would typically be free, but given the pressures on A&E, they are pushing routine matters back to GPs.
That's why they have made the consultaion only for free at GPs now from April, to relieve the pressure on A&E as too many who should pay arrive at A&E instead as they heard they don't pay there, but any treatment off A&E ward is not free. Blood tests should be billed there too as they are sent to different department.

Now the UK plan to end free A&E for all immigrants in England becasue of this abuse.Those who have a IHS number will still be allowed free A&E.
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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by Petaltop » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:12 am

StellarCow wrote: I really need some medical attention because I am losing blooding almost everyday.
Go to a GPs surgery or drop in centre today. From 6 April 2015 the GP or nurse consultation part only will be free, before that date a GP could bill you but now they can't. You will still need to pay for any treatment/tests and pay the full price of any medication. It may not cost you that much. This is your health, don't mess with it just to try to save a few pounds. Once you know what the problem is you can then decide whether to return home to get further treatment for free, but will need advice regarding your appeal if you leave the UK.

Get health insurance while you await the result of your appeal.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by Casa » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:23 am

Petaltop, an insurance in highly unlikely to cover her for an exisiting condition. You're not entirely correct about NHS treatment only being free for someone with ILR or PR. The NHS surcharge gives access to treatment, which entitles the visa-holder to have the same rights as those with settled status. Prior to the introduction of the new surcharge, those with valid visas (apart from visitors) were entitled to use NHS services. This means that anyone one holding a current visa, issued after the NHS Surcharge was introduced, can continue to have access to free NHS treatment. They don't need to have permanent residence. I've explained this to avoid worried members asking it they have lost their right to the NHS.
To the OP, this isn't a straightforward situation and it may be wise to check with your National Health Trust to confirm what you are entitled to while you are awaiting your appeal.
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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by StellarCow » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:44 am

I thought the VISA application fee included the NHS fee in it? Because if I remember. I had to pay around £500 (instead of £300) this time I applied for VISA. Anyway, what is my best option at the moment? Insurance and stuffs sounds expensive and time taking. Doesn't this country have conscience for a person who needs medical attention? How does illegals and Asylum seekers go to GP when they are sick? I am confused.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by Casa » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:45 am

Stellarcow This link may help you. Enter your post code in the box and you will find you nearest Clinical Commissioning Group who should be able to advise you about GP registration.
http://www.nhs.uk/Service-Search/Clinic ... onSearch/1
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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by Petaltop » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:02 pm

Casa wrote:Petaltop, an insurance in highly unlikely to cover her for an exisiting condition.
I didn't say it would. I said she would need to pay for medication, tests, treatment. The health insurance was to cover anything else she might need for health treatment until she gets a valid visa.i.e. run over by a bus.

I've paid private a few times with the NHS and it is quite a reasonable price in the UK for minor treatment as it is in most EEA countries. The OP could get an emergency free consultation today with a GP at a drop in centre and she should do that immediatley if she is worried.

Casa wrote:You're not entirely correct about NHS treatment only being free for someone with ILR or PR. The NHS surcharge gives access to treatment, which entitles the visa-holder to have the same rights as those with settled status.

They pay for that IHS, or at least most do. The IHS money goes to central pot to be withdrawn from by an NHS when a IHS is presented to them for treatment.

The IHS for free NHS it is only as good as the visa is valid. That's why immigrants need to generate a IHS number for a visa as that will be embedded in the BRP and they need to show the BRP when they want free NHS in future.

Also the Immigration law 2014 was written so that the NHS can withhold expensive discretionary treatment from those with an IHS only if they wish, such as IVF. The British will always get free full NHS at all times when they reside or immediatley when they return to UK or EEA. Those with valid ILR or PR get free full NHS too if they reside.

Casa wrote:Prior to the introduction of the new surcharge, those with valid visas (apart from visitors) were entitled to use NHS services. This means that anyone one holding a current visa, issued after the NHS Surcharge was introduced, can continue to have access to free NHS treatment. They don't need to have permanent residence. I've explained this to avoid worried members asking it they have lost their right to the NHS.
Yes, a current valid visa. the OP doesn't have one and even under the old rules prior to 6 April 2015, they lost their free NHS when their visa expired. Nothing has changed there except the NHS must now check who has to be billed. Immgiration rules and NHS rules are not the same.

Now the consultaion part is free with a GP or nurse but before 6 April 2015 the GP could charge for that if they wanted to. So the OP is better off under the new rules.

Now also under that new law, for visas applied for from 6 April 2015, those with a UK visa of 6 months or less (and not just visitors) now must pay the NHS when they use it, with the exception of ICT visas (although that might change). Those with a visa of over 6 months need to genertate an IHS number for free NHS.
Casa wrote:To the OP, this isn't a straightforward situation and it may be wise to check with your National Health Trust to confirm what you are entitled to while you are awaiting your appeal.
I think she should go to a drop in centre today and seek medical treatment. As said, consultation is now free under new NHS law and at least she knows then what the problem is. Minor treatment in the UK is very cheap. Sort out if she can get the UK to reimburse her, later.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by Casa » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:55 pm

Petaltop, I know you feel very strongly about the free use of the NHS as the majority of your posts have referred to this. My point was in the main related to this incorrect statement in your post "NHS is only free at all times if you are British or have ILR or PR.".
Which is why I clarified for members who may be concerned, that NHS is free to anyone who has a valid visa (excluding a visitor visa), not only those with ILR or PR. In fact those claiming Asylum also have access to free treatment while their case is being decided.
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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by Petaltop » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:31 pm

Casa wrote:Petaltop, I know you feel very strongly about the free use of the NHS as the majority of your posts have referred to this.

As I have said several times in posts, I am worried that people might not realise that they might now have to pay for their NHS use if they have a UK visa that is 6 months or under. We have seen a lot of posts where people thought the NHS was free for everyone and then find out they have to pay. Now we have the rules changed from 6 April 2015 for visa applicants. Can you imagaine it if someone comes to the UK on a fiance visa without insurance then find they have a medical emergency that involves a stay on a ward or operation and then they are billed? The UK has a rule of NHS bills over 1k to be paid before another visa.
Casa wrote:My point was in the main related to this incorrect statement in your post "NHS is only free at all times if you are British or have ILR or PR.".
Perhaps I didn't make it clear and should have underlined the at all times bit? A Brit can lose their job and still have free NHS at all times, enter the country and have immediate free NHS if they live in EEA or have have come home to live. This is extended to ILRs and PRs too.
Casa wrote:Which is why I clarified for members who may be concerned, that NHS is free to anyone who has a valid visa (excluding a visitor visa), not only those with ILR or PR.
ONLY if they applied for a visa before 6 April 2015. Under the rules of those that applied after 5 April 2015, the NHS will not be "free to anyone who has a valid visa (excluding a visitor visa)".

I keep putting the reference for this fact in my posts for a warning as some still think it is only visitors who will have to pay when they use the NHS. It has changed for those applicants who applied for a visa of 6 months or less (excluding ICTS at the moment) after 5 April 2015 and the UK is quite clear on that fact on their website. You would have seen that link several times in my other posts you have read on the IHS.
Casa wrote:In fact those claiming Asylum also have access to free treatment while their case is being decided.
As do others too, such as those who have suffered violence, Australian citizens, New Zealand citizens, those EEAs citizens in work in the UK and pay national insurance etc

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Post by Casa » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:50 pm

...and also those from a country which has a reciprocal agreement with the UK.
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Post by Petaltop » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:54 pm

Casa wrote:...and also those from a country which has a reciprocal agreement with the UK.
Which I seem to recall is only Australia and NZ, as I listed? Although the UK are still in talks with these two countries about this IHS, so perhaps that will change?

The UK has clearly listed all the exemptions from paying the IHS just as they have stated clearly on their website that all those with a UK visa of 6 months or less (exemptions apply) for applications from 6 April 2015, will now pay for NHS when they use it; and it won't just be visitors only paying. For the sake of a few pounds for insurance and a quick read of the UK site, people can save themselves from healthcare debts.

We seem to be moving away from the OPs questions. Sorry OP.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by Casa » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:11 pm

Just to clarify, countries which have a bi-lateral agreement with the UK for health care are:
Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Georgia, Gibraltar, Yugoslavia i.e. Serbia & Montenegro, Kazakhstan, Kirgizstan, Macedonia, Moldova, New Zealand, Romania, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and residents of the following countries: Anguilla, Australia, Barbados, British Virgin Islands, Channel Islands, Falkland Islands, Iceland, Isle of Man, Montserrat, St. Helena, Turks and Caicos Islands.

And I agree that we shouldn't forget the OP. Stellarcrow, I should have asked this question sooner. Is there any chance that you hold the nationality of any of the countries on the list?
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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by StellarCow » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:47 pm

Casa wrote:Just to clarify, countries which have a bi-lateral agreement with the UK for health care are:
Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Georgia, Gibraltar, Yugoslavia i.e. Serbia & Montenegro, Kazakhstan, Kirgizstan, Macedonia, Moldova, New Zealand, Romania, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and residents of the following countries: Anguilla, Australia, Barbados, British Virgin Islands, Channel Islands, Falkland Islands, Iceland, Isle of Man, Montserrat, St. Helena, Turks and Caicos Islands.

And I agree that we shouldn't forget the OP. Stellarcrow, I should have asked this question sooner. Is there any chance that you hold the nationality of any of the countries on the list?

I am an Indian National, so I suppose that's a no. :(
And I applied for VISA on June 2014.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by Petaltop » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:41 pm

StellarCow, did you get yourself to a walk in centre today for your free consultation with a GP?

You can find your nearest one here
http://www.nhs.uk/Service-Search/Walk-i ... Search/663

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Post by StellarCow » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:50 pm

Petaltop wrote:StellarCow, did you get yourself to a walk in centre today for your free consultation with a GP?

You can find your nearest one here
http://www.nhs.uk/Service-Search/Walk-i ... Search/663
I havent because on 29th May 2015 I have been to the Walk in center for the same reason. They did some check ups and prescribed me medicine and told me to register for a GP. Wouldn't they say/do the same again? Because last time they said this is the best they could do and if I needed more detailed check up I should go to my local GP. :\ See I am stranded deep.

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by manci » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:23 pm

Casa wrote: Prior to the introduction of the new surcharge, those with valid visas (apart from visitors) were entitled to use NHS services. This means that anyone one holding a current visa, issued after [did you mean before?] the NHS Surcharge was introduced, can continue to have access to free NHS treatment.
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I was searching the UKVI, NHS and DoH websites for precisely this information but couldn't find it. I know that retrospective legislation would be highly unlikely but have you actually found an official source expressly confirming that this is in fact the case for pre-April 2015 visa holders, i.e. are there any transitional provisions for them?

The OP's case is made more difficult by the fact that although she has been in the UK for 6 years she hasn't registered with a GP and is attempting to do it for the first time now, post April 15.

@StellarCow
Without knowing the details of your immigration history, the application that was refused and the appeal, it is likely that you still have valid leave under section 3C until the appeal is decided, but A GP is unlikely to know this. I would try another GP in your area or follow Casa's advice and contact the local Clinical Commissioning Group:
http://www.nhs.uk/Service-Search/Clinic ... onSearch/1

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by StellarCow » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:47 pm

manci wrote:
Casa wrote: Prior to the introduction of the new surcharge, those with valid visas (apart from visitors) were entitled to use NHS services. This means that anyone one holding a current visa, issued after [did you mean before?] the NHS Surcharge was introduced, can continue to have access to free NHS treatment.
@Casa
I was searching the UKVI, NHS and DoH websites for precisely this information but couldn't find it. I know that retrospective legislation would be highly unlikely but have you actually found an official source expressly confirming that this is in fact the case for pre-April 2015 visa holders, i.e. are there any transitional provisions for them?

The OP's case is made more difficult by the fact that although she has been in the UK for 6 years she hasn't registered with a GP and is attempting to do it for the first time now, post April 15.

@StellarCow
Without knowing the details of your immigration history, the application that was refused and the appeal, it is likely that you still have valid leave under section 3C until the appeal is decided, but A GP is unlikely to know this. I would try another GP in your area or follow Casa's advice and contact the local Clinical Commissioning Group:
http://www.nhs.uk/Service-Search/Clinic ... onSearch/1

I have been a student until June 2014 when my VISA expired. Thats why I applied for another student VISA which was rejected due some mistakes made in documents. I Have never had an illegal status. Could you please tell me what the commission is all about? I shall give it a try if its worth it. I have already tried 2 GP thats near to my place and they both told me to go to the A&E department. Its like an infinite loop of suggestion to go to and fro :\

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Re: Passport with UKBA, GP question (emergency!!)

Post by manci » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:28 am

Clinical Commissioning Groups are the successor bodies of Primary Care Trusts and deal with GP services. When you speak with your local CCT tell them that you appealed a Home Office decision and have therefore continuing leave to remain in the UK under section 3C of the Immigration Act 1971 (if that is in fact the situation)

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