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Originally posted by mystikal:
Let me re-phrase my answer.
If You want to use a degree as a door opener to get into the UK job market, You'd better make sure its a damn, damn good university with a great reputation or else you will be very dissapointed.

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Let me get back to the Topic to Go to US or UK is not the Answer, in US there are 100s Doing nothing and might be there are 100s in UK same.
Answer is you Professional, your Experience, your Luck, and Talent, in the Field in which you are going to.

I am a MBA and my University is not anywhere in the List, so I am Earning more than what a Top Students Earns so it is not True what you said just Above in the Reply.

Everyone is Telling his own Experience, what he Had but, might be the other person has a Different Luck and Talent, and Experience. you can only say what he can do but not to De-moralise someone, that UK is a HELL or US is a Hell, dont Even think to Come here, So if this Place is a HELL why you cant go back, and Try your Luck there.

Cheers.

[ May 16, 2002: Message edited by: Abbi ]

Are you optimistic about studing in UK?

but what about the freshers, i joined my MSc just after my graduation , by the way i did BCom in India and now doing MSc managing IT in UK,

what do u recon...

cheers

Fair enough, u have loads of exp in IT, but the main issue is IT industry is really down at the moment, as u better know then me coz u r working in the industry.

well anyday you have better chances of getting the job in UK, but the issue is work permit mate.

Risk is always there but if you think u r prepared to sacrifice your current job(if you are working)and have confidence in your ability, then why not give a go?

Cheers

I had written a private message to you more than a couple of days back. But I have yet to hear from you - maybe something is wrong with the 'private message' or my mail just got missed out.

If it is not inconvenient to you, can you please mail me on : tibs_uk@hotmail.com.

Thanks

Indians are not wot you think, they are actully talking about the so many successful indians and that is what they take inspiration from and no one is stopping you from taking inspiration from famous african personalities, there are many in the UK itself and far too many in the states. Think Human, think all , thats our Job.

love and take care

manish

what i quoted abt my country's entrance exam for the IIM'S is true and was quoted verbatim
infact i could ask you if you could try giving the exam urself and then let me know if you could make the passing grade to get a call for admission. that way you could find out what i said abt non asians trying that exam and i am not saying that non asians are dumb.

an example could be that if we indians were to be able to afford the costs of fees at LBS i am sure the whole MBA class would have been full of indians if fair standards were kept when giving admission

i am not talking abt superiority of indians as a academically brillant race but its true that we work doubly hard given our population and the wonderful legacy the british left behind after 500 years of british rule in INDIA. as a result of 500 years of occupation we had been systematically looted by the british of the culture, money and much more.

it has taken us 50 years to reach to a state where we can proudly say that yes we are good when it comes to academics and now we are close saying we are good when it comes to jobs. hopefully we may come sooner in saying that INDIA is one of the strongest economies of the world.

my other point

uk as a top flight destination for students remains to be debated i am not convinced abt that
infact i am seeing many indians being made fool of by universities in the uk due to the fact as overseas students we end up paying seven times the amount in most cases for postgraduate education, but the standard of education in those very universities remains debatable. i am saying this from my own experience. i ended up paying for a course which i realised was not worth the £ 20000 i was paying for but since i had paid up there was no way i could have withdrawn and recovered my money.

hence my advice to those who come from middle class backgrounds that spending such vast amounts of money in doing a MBA is worthless unless they absolutely sure in getting good jobs in the uk and recovering the money so spent.

AND IM NOT CONVINCED ABT UK FOR INDIANS AND OTHER ASIANS WHEN IT COMES TO JOBS

its true that we indians are given seond treatment when it comes to jobs in the uk
even today. i am not talking abt the IT sector but also in all other sectors

[ July 17, 2002: Message edited by: bubba ]

I still challenge a lot of your assertions. I suggest you do as Deepak suggested, dont argue. I would add especially if you do not have any data that can stand rigorous scrutiny. You have divulged the sources your research quotation, in the event that I needed to verify the validity of the studies and conclusions made, hence I still assume that your statement is pure conjecture. Let me further question some of your specific assertions:

a) Indians are most discriminated against in the UK. I suppose this is very true itself in India, where many untouchables live. How would do you otherwise account for the caste system. Hence discrimination can hardly be classified as a UK-specific phenomenom. I do not condone discrimination in any way and I empathise with all ethnic minorities that continue to face discrimination in whatever forms. Having said that there is a wise saying that goes 'Let he who is not guilty, throw the first stone'.

b) Indian economic powerhouse?: I agree that India is and has been a high growth economy and like China it is seen in some quarters as a future economic powerhouse. However if we take a snapshot of where things stand now, India's Per capita GDP is hardly the hallmark of one of the strongest economies. It would also be interesting to divulge how many of India's people live below the poverty line. I also wonder how you account for the massive brain drain/exodus out of such a supposedly thriving region.

c)Indians only would be admitted to top universities under fair standards: Gross speculation and I wonder what your defination of fair standards would be?. It is True that there are above average Indians at top business schools but they are also many average and below average students from India. I have studied with Indian students at LBS and I am 100% sure of this.

Besides on the subject of brainpower, one wonders what the world would come to if the europeans and americans who are responsible for most of the technological, scientific and financial/enterprise pathbreaking innovations/breakthroughs made similar claims.

Or the Japanese based on their manufacturing process innovation and economic success over the last few decades.

Or Russians, chinese and East europeans with their spawning of the world's leading chess grandmasters, physicists, astronuants and mathematicians.

Of course one cannot fail to mention the jews and their astounding success across almost every arena of intellectual pursuit.

My simple view is that Ethnic supremacist arguments ought not to be condoned in any form. These type of arguments often form the basis of manifested and unspoken prejudice and discrimination. It does not matter what ethnic background they emanante from. Hence much as I bear no grudge against Indians, if anything as I said before I have many treasured Indian colleagues, I cannot concur with statements that are underpinned by Indian supremacist assumptions.

d) Superior Indian education vs Western University rip offs? Probably only as far as Indians like yourself are concerned. As far as I am aware there exist objective annual global education standard surveys and as far as I am aware India is not at the top. Hence I question your assertion of Indian education supremacy. Quality attracts talents, that is why most top quality international students seek their education in top flight western universities. You sound like you do not see any value of an MBA in a top rated Western School, but many employers and professionals do and that is why the MBA in top rated western universities remains the highest demand qualification. If anything it is growing in stature and that is why markets such as the UK which previously and still are Chartered Accountant friendly, are increasingly appreciating the value of an MBA. That is why revered institutions such as Oxford, cambridge broadened their product offering to include the MBA. It is important to see the MBA as a complementary qualification and not a standalone panacea. It is not a specialist qualification that guarantees opening doors and any prospective MBA student ought to understand that. I would have suggested that anybody seeking to do an MBA ought to do more research, understand their own strengths and weaknesses, optimal post MBA geographical positioning, their motivations, where they stand in their career cycle.

All the best, inspite our divergent views of life.

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