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learner Junior Member Member # 4718	Posted August 07, 2002 01:22 PM i want get further education at post graduate level in uk i am 36 years with post graduate degree and 6+ tyears of relevent experience.i want to know is there any restriction on upper age limit for issuing of student visa.
Thorsten von Thyssen Member Member # 4397	Posted August 07, 2002 02:22 PM No problem- as long as you can pay the extortionate "overseas student fee" and will not recourse to public funds. [ August 07, 2002: Message edited by: tnavon ] -------------------- ----------------------------------- ...cut the bullshit please...
Deepak in UK Member Member # 3491	Posted August 07, 2002 03:47 PM If you pay the fees, they will give you a student visa at 70. I know 42 and 40 year olds with student visas. quote: Originally posted by learner: i want get further education at post graduate level in uk i am 36 years with post graduate degree and 6+ tyears of relevent experience.i want to know is there any restriction on upper age limit for issuing of student visa.
Thorsten von Thyssen Member Member # 4397	Posted August 07, 2002 04:06 PM After all someone has to pay for the cheap subsidised tuition fees of the UK/EU students -------------------- ----------------------------------- ...cut the bullshit please...
Deepak in UK Member Member # 3491	Posted August 07, 2002 05:11 PM Exactly. Selling of education is not good but thats how things are. quote: Originally posted by tnavon: After all someone has to pay for the cheap subsidised tuition fees of the UK/EU students
stehuk Junior Member Member # 4700	Posted August 07, 2002 08:38 PM "After all someone has to pay for the cheap subsidised tuition fees of the UK/EU students" I haven't looked at the prices, but I would point out that this is only half of the story. The UK spends a lot of money (very inefficently I believe) on public services and health services etc. Someone entering this country immediately benefits from most of these and full entitlement to the rest starts after six months. As a UK contractor I am at risk of paying a much higher proportion of income in taxes than most (taxed on business costs, approx Ł6000 a year of which is fixed cost, as if they were personal income as well as on actual income). I could equally argue that additional taxes imposed on contractors are being used to help to fund the schemes that help to replaces us. It is only correct that there should be some differential in costs paid for courses. After all I've been paying taxes all my adult life to help fund the education of my children amongst other things. My daughter completed a two year government funded IT course in six weeks and thereby used up much of her training allowances, but could not find IT work at any level and new government tax measures made it impossible for my company to recruit her (which had been the plan). This is because my company is only a small company, so is at risk of being taxed twice on any employment of trainees and of having to fund their training out of my own post-tax income. If you are asking for your training in the UK to be part-funded by people like me so that you can pursue a future career, I would ask why I should do this when I am not allowed to extend the same courtesy to my own daughter.
kay38 Member Member # 3201	Posted August 07, 2002 10:00 PM Stenuk, I believe the previous poster was only pointing out a fact rather than asking that the higher education of overseas student be subsidised by the UK government. I can understand how frustrated you might be feeling. Being an academic member of staff at a reputable university in this country, I am well placed to tell you that without overseas students paying enormous amounts of money in fees, many universities would just go bust. In fact, there is a great drive to recruit more overseas students than ever before; I'm afraid the government does not provide enough funding to universities to prevent that happening. So, you have to appreciate that overseas students play their part in enabling many universities to survive. With regards to the entitlements/services provided to overseas students, I admit that these are available to anyone needing to use them, but how much does it cost to treat someone having a cold a few times every year for example? Surely not anywhere near the Ł7000/year difference that exists in tuition fees? Having been a student myself for 8 years, I have to admit I have rarely used the health services except for the odd cold. But the university has collected over the 8 years more than Ł60,000 (on average) on my account!!!! And this has been injected into the UK economy.... So, it's all fair game. [ August 07, 2002: Message edited by: kay38 ] [ August 07, 2002: Message edited by: kay38 ]
Thorsten von Thyssen Member Member # 4397	Posted August 07, 2002 10:55 PM Not only that. Overseas students cannot receive any state benefit. Their passports are stamped with "No recouse to public funds". The only free service that they can get is NHS. However, they are young and healthy and hardly need any treatment. If they need treatment they usually prefer to get private treatment as NHS treatment is notoriously bad. -------------------- ----------------------------------- ...cut the bullshit please...
Deepak in UK Member Member # 3491	Posted August 07, 2002 11:03 PM Kay38, People in UK think that whoever comes to UK rips UK of money. Countries like UK and Australia are selling education to people from overseas so that they can educate their own youth. In a way the local students owe it to overseas students though it will be too difficult for egoist locals to accept. Besides not everyone comes to UK as an asylum seeker. There are many educated people who just leave their countries to live in a country with a better record of human rights. I know many people (educated in UK and Australia) who had a better standard of living in their countries. They just left their countries because they didn't like the system there. To be honest, I had a better standard of living at home. I left home for a change of system and environment. I like it here. I like the weather. Its cleaner. But I miss home for reasons like family. I also hate doing my house work myself. I have to cook myself. At home I never had to do this. Affording someone else to do all your house work is so much easier over there.
Ala Member Member # 4611	Posted August 08, 2002 11:13 AM Stehuk, Oversea's national entering this country is not entitled to any state benefits except NHS, despite paying taxes like locals. As pointed out before, NHS is hardly used by these young healthy foreigners. I expect UK to have a lower tax on foreigners who live in this country for less than 4 years. Norway has a highest tax rate of 52%. But, foreign workers pay just a 15% flat tax rate irrespective of their earnings for the first 4 years of their stay. Scandinavians are 'Just and Fair' always.