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| pantaiema Member Member # 7124 | Posted August 03, 2003 06:23 PM Dear Looney Cat, Britanny and others who are succesfully find the job in the UK after beeing grated HSMP. Could you please tell me where is the starting point to hunt for a job. Thank you very mcuh in advance for your advice regards |
| britanny Member Member # 285 | Posted August 04, 2003 10:18 AM Hi, I've got the HSMP but I haven't found a job yet. Good luck -------------------- britanny |
| Loonycat1 Member Member # 664 | Posted August 05, 2003 10:32 PM Pantaiema, There is no guaranteed formula I am afraid. I applied for maybe 50 jobs and went through a lengthy and rigorous interview process and beat off 200 other applicants to get my job. I was lucky to land something good within 6 weeks but also well prepared for what I considered a job I was perfect for. And to depress you even further, I think the market is tad worse than where it was just over a year ago when I got my position. But that does not mean there is not opportunity for quality candidates. Review the main job aggregator websites daily and speak to companies directly (recruitment firms are akin to the plague and should be banned). You can even cold cold industry leaders and just ask to speak to them for 10 minutes as an interested observer to their industry/company/position. But don't just call and throw yourself at their mercy - ring with purpose having researched your target well. Be confident through meticulous preparation - you have to prove you are worth speaking to and if you are not getting interviews you aren't yet doing that. What is your key differentiator - write down your top 5. And no it isn't that you are a born leader who believes in the dignity of the individual and inspires teams through ozmosis (or some sort of similar crap). Hard, tangible facts that substantiate your previous success and attributes for the position you are applying for - anything else is subjective dribble and will be ignored. I have been fortunate enough in this last year to have been promoted to board level and review probably 20 CVs a week and sadly it is very rarely that I am impressed by anyone. But if a young enthusiastic person rang me and spoke knowledgably about my sector, I would always find time to speak to them in person and do what I can to help them in their job search objectives. And I am no different to most industry professionals. Research, study and show that you are willing to work for it and people will go out of their way to help you. Bulk mail CVs and sit by the phone waiting for someone to be impressed by your 2 degrees and regular charity work for the needy and you will still be sitting there in a year from now. I am sorry if this sounds overly negative or harsh but this market isn't doing anyone any favours. As I have always said, opportunity will always present itself to exceptional candidates. If you are sending a bunch of CVs but still waiting for something to happen, you probably need to change tact. I hope this has been a little helpful and I am happy to answer any further queries people may have about trying to differentate yourself from the pack. Best wishes in your endeavours. LC1 |
| truechap123 Junior Member Member # 7091 | Posted August 06, 2003 10:10 AM Hi LC1, I guess DARWIN's theory clearly says , No matter how strong or intelligent one is, Only those survive who can adapt with the changing environment So After reading from your experience ,It seems management in Britain choose those candidates what can do choosy talk with the board level people. Any body whosoever hardworking & with great record is , doesn't matter. Thanks for the valuable inputs |
| pantaiema Member Member # 7124 | Posted August 06, 2003 11:51 AM Dear Looney Cat, Dear Britanny Thank you very much for your detail explanation. I find your inputs are very helpful. Thank you for your time answering my questions regards |
| Elisa Member Member # 2487 | Posted August 06, 2003 12:14 PM Actually Truechap it's not only Board members in Britain, it's everywhere now and I think you missed Looney's point. How do you differentiate between 1000 resumes all saying essentially the same thing? How do you know if they are hard working by reading a bunch of repetitive drivel? You don't. The best way is to talk to people, find out what makes them unique from the other 999 resume applicants. It's a tough market out there and you have put the time and effort in and sell yourself. A job isn't going to come to you, you have to go out and be aggressive and bring attention to yourself. Thanks for the insight Looney, much appreciated! |
| ktdt77 Member Member # 3749 | Posted August 06, 2003 04:41 PM Well said.......tips for interview are really useful |
| Londonite Junior Member Member # 7135 | Posted August 06, 2003 04:56 PM Loonycat1 & Britanny, do you mind telling us your occupations? |
| Loonycat1 Member Member # 664 | Posted August 06, 2003 07:46 PM Spot on as always Elisa. It is hard for us the employers to differentiate between numerous CVs all from capable but remarkably similar candidates. To some extent one does have to change with the environment and if that means that acknowledging that the traditional methods of recruitment (ie application letters and CVs via recruitment consultants) isn't working for many anymore. So take matters in your own hands - read everything you can get your hands on that can teach you more than you currently know about your sector, speak to people in the industry who can tell you about their roles and companies, approach senior managers directly as you would if you were doing a research project and just ask to speak to them with sensible, insightful questions. I would much prefer to speak to someone who rang saying that they were interested in learning more about my sector then someone who rang saying they were fantastic and looking for a job. I know that sounds fickle and perhaps I am not explaining myself very well but I truly believe that approaching industry people directly is the best alternative to the recruitment consultant route. Please don't think it is just about giving jobs to those who can spin a good story but have nothing to back it up with - it certainly isn't. But there is credit for those that seek to differentiate themselves in their approach. Oh and yes, I work in financial services for a company that is owned by one of the major high street banks. Best of luck in your endeavours. |
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