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| ajayxyz Member Member # 7225 | Posted February 17, 2004 04:34 PM I got a call from HC Chennai, the lady asked me whether everything is correct with my EC, i replied yes. And i rechecked my EC stamp everything seems to be okie.. I asked her about the validity of HSMP EC and she said it's now given for 2 years. Either something is screwed up with my EC or HSMP EC is valid for 2 years now (may be it's still not official) |
| ajayxyz Member Member # 7225 | Posted February 17, 2004 04:36 PM I have also sent mail to HC chennai to clearify HSMP EC validity period, waiting for reply, wondering whether they do reply to e-mails ? |
| Cosmopol Member Member # 7165 | Posted February 17, 2004 04:40 PM I have mixed experience with e-mailing diplomatic posts of various countries in various countries Some reply within 48 hrs, some take up to a week, and some consistently leave faxed and e-mailed communications unanswered. Empirical way is the one: just wait and see |
| Chess Member Member # 7233 | Posted February 17, 2004 04:45 PM Ajay, Did u get a call from HC Chennai just out the blue???....or did you prompt them.... To my knowledge, HSMP EC is for one year initially, unless you put a bank draft worth several million Rupees for the ECO on a serious note - it appears to be a genuine mistake!! Surely if it had changed to 2 years there would have been an announcement on working in the UK website and/or UK Visas website [ February 17, 2004: Message edited by: Chess ] -------------------- .........Nkosi sikelele Africa |
| bella_uk Member Member # 7162 | Posted February 17, 2004 04:53 PM From my (and not only my) experience it is better to send both e-mail and fax. e-mail is easier to remove without registration but it is also easier to send reply . Sometime there is the local Consulate policy to register all incoming faxes. It does not mean that fax will be answered. |
| Kayalami Member Member # 5984 | Posted February 17, 2004 05:05 PM Will add my voice of surprise on the supposed 'increment' of initial HSMP visa to 2 years. Such would require as a minimum a statement of changes in the immigration rules under a command paper or House of Commons schedule.I am not aware of either -------------------- ---audi alteram partem--- |
| bella_uk Member Member # 7162 | Posted February 17, 2004 05:13 PM quote: It's a pity. Otherwise I would run to Consulate immediately and try to update my visa. |
| ajayxyz Member Member # 7225 | Posted February 17, 2004 05:13 PM 1) I was in office in the middle of Code review when i got call from HC 2) FYI i don't drink 3) I clearified at least 2-3 times about validity of HSMP EC and every times her reply was 2 years. Chess has a valid point.. But as far as i can see everything is correct. The only thing screwed up is validity period, which she clearified to be of 2 years, and also said that it's now changed. Now what is cooking with my EC i don't know. |
| ajayxyz Member Member # 7225 | Posted February 18, 2004 07:47 AM Just to update and confirm. I called up DHC Chennai giving all my VISA details and they confirmed that yes my HSMP - EC is valid for 2 years. |
| madankumars Member Member # 5174 | Posted February 18, 2004 08:02 AM yo man ajay you can even have a 10 yr HSMP visa but whats the point if you dont have a job here nor have the courage to come here and find a job? go home to india, keep your passport & HSMP visa under your pillow and sleep. thats what is its worth now. |
| intheforest Junior Member Member # 7508 | Posted February 18, 2004 08:15 AM madankumars why did you post this - it's STUPID. Ajay just share his experiense. |
| bella_uk Member Member # 7162 | Posted February 18, 2004 08:40 AM Ajay’s information is very important. Unfortunately, I can not find any updates in HO leaflet. |
| madankumars Member Member # 5174 | Posted February 18, 2004 09:03 AM intheforest... it may sound harsh but thats the harsh truth! well, if you ask me... our friend ajay may even pass through immigration at heathrow when he arrives. but he will definetely get into trouble if submits his passport for HSMP renewal after TWO years....HomeOffice will question him |
| Teejay Member Member # 7276 | Posted February 18, 2004 09:06 AM Hi Everyone, I thought we were done with all this childish outburst, and prejudices. It is in bad taste and does none of us any good. Madankumars, you need to apologise to Ajay. Your comments at a time when Ajay was sharing his experience with all of us, and which could be beneficial to everyone, is quite unkind of you. TJ |
| intheforest Junior Member Member # 7508 | Posted February 18, 2004 09:17 AM I don't think so! For me this is mistake of HSMP team, but one day when ajay send his documents for extension tare isn't any problem with this that they are made mistake. Hi just will have more time to find good job, wich is very usefull. |
| Joseph01 Member Member # 7141 | Posted February 18, 2004 11:30 AM Ajay, Anyway, there's not much more that you can do with your EC except come to the UK. As Kayalami suggests, you can check with HSMP in Sheffield at the end of the first year if there are no announcements in the meantime about a 2-year initial visa. I would not be surprised at all if they made this change to a 2-year initial visa. The HSMP office is flooded with renewal applications right now and that's partially why the waiting period is 6-8 weeks. Many of the renewals are for people who are unemployed (myself included) at the end of 1 year, which require a lot more time for them to review as opposed to somebody who is employed. I suspect they want to have a longer initial period to reduce this 1-year renewal crunch. Joseph |
| ajayxyz Member Member # 7225 | Posted February 18, 2004 01:10 PM I do have a feeling that this is a mistake. Since i have already communicated with DHC i'm not going to messup more. I'll wait n see if other people are also getting EC for 2 years. And since i'm not gonna fly to UK in recent furture i'm not going to worry about it. |
| madankumars Member Member # 5174 | Posted February 18, 2004 07:48 PM I'd definitely be disappointed if HomeOffice increases the time to 2 years. The 1 year acts as a filter to remove people who are still unemployed. Increasing it to 2 years will give more time to people who are unemployed to find jobs. Infact I think 1 year is too long. 6 months should be OK. Already the HSMP has become NSHSMP (not so highly skilled migrant programme) coz millions of Indians will pass the under 28 assessment. Increasing it to 2 years is utter madness. why so much fuss about this? Its very clear. The ECO in Madras is unaware of the HSMP rules. This is what you call the "Peter" effect. The organisation keeps promoting someone to a position where they are no longer capable of doing the work properly. Having seen what the UK is, I am not surprised. Infact I am getting the feeling that most of the bureaucracy in India has been passed on from Britain. [ February 18, 2004: Message edited by: madankumars ] |
| madankumars Member Member # 5174 | Posted February 18, 2004 07:52 PM dude ajay... the later you arrive the shorter time you have to find jobs :-) you might as well come after summer... as thats one of the best times to look for work (September) Or January next year by which time ur HSMP will expire. lets hope HomeOffice is smart enough to increase the HSMP criteria by then... [ February 18, 2004: Message edited by: madankumars ] |
| Joseph01 Member Member # 7141 | Posted February 18, 2004 09:19 PM Madankumars I was looking at some of your previous posts and see that you are very opinionated...
quote: ...and I was wondering...except for Australia (which you left) and Immigration Advisors (which you paid £1000), do you have anything positive to say about anything? Joseph [ February 18, 2004: Message edited by: Joseph01 ] |
| Cosmopol Member Member # 7165 | Posted February 18, 2004 11:25 PM I want to second Joseph's sentiment. It's been quite surprising to see how an intelligent (seemingly, at least), highly skilled professional with experience of life in various countries, and work in TNC's, who was so hopeful to come to London, and so cheerful landing a decent job in just a couple of weeks, suddenly degraded himself to a caustic poster, who not only pours dirt on lifeless entities (UK, London, India) or abstract concepts (HSMP), but goes as far as repeatedly offending individual fellow board members, and (what's more?) fellow countrymen. One can only hope that madankumars simply 'lost it' for a moment -- as we all know, moving to another country (or indeed, another continent) can be quite stressful, uncertain and disenchanting in different ways and on a varying scale. Especially in a city as intense as London. [ February 19, 2004: Message edited by: Cosmopol ] |
| madankumars Member Member # 5174 | Posted February 18, 2004 11:35 PM * the market here (or for that matter anywhere else) is always good for the #really# highly skilled. not those who got through just because the criteria has become less stringent. * this place is paradise for people who are fresh off the boat from india * it is possible to get a HSMP visa eventhough you have a WHM visa refused And by the way --- "{really nice thing to say when you have a job!}" --- Ofcourse I have a job (and I got it in 1 week)! I have absolutely nothing to regret about except that I left Australia without researching about England. I mean whats the point? if you consider yourself to be highly skilled then there should be nothing to stop you from coming here as soon as you get your visa... if no agent responds positively to your CV then its obvious that you are not highly skilled. I got a call from an agent from London, when I was in Madras on vacation early December. He said, " dont go to any other agent, I am going to get you a job! ". |
| madankumars Member Member # 5174 | Posted February 18, 2004 11:55 PM hey dudes! I really don't understand why you can't stand a little bit of criticism. fellow country men or not.... really doesnt matter, when "highly skilled" is no longer highly skilled, you get the same people who drive down the cost & the standard of living. and thats what has happened here. i mean see the english of some of the people who apply for HSMP.. and to think that HO approved their application! whats there to think? good luck! to all not so highly skilled. |
| Joseph01 Member Member # 7141 | Posted February 19, 2004 01:30 AM Madankumars,
quote: There you go again! Is there anybody in the same league as you? I revised my last post to say {a really nice thing to say to the 'riff-raff' when you (obviously 'highly-skilled') have a job!}. It’s not that you have a job (congratulations and best wishes!), but rather your attitude and the way you belittle others who are not so fortunate to get a job so quickly. You don't even want them to get the same 12-month time period that you got. You may be surprised to learn that many of them (including people from India) normally command a multiple of your £52K salary, which is why it takes them longer than a week to get a job. You also seem to think that because you were in Australia before you came here, you are much better than your brethren who are “off the boat from India.” As for their English, at least they were smart enough to get their HSMP application approved without paying an advisor £1000 for an initial application, which very few people on this Board have done. Most people here also did their research on England before coming here, something you admit to not doing. Since you raised the issue about HSMP after a failed WHM: quote:The rejection of a WHM followed by approval of HSMP is quite common and logical. WHM applicants are commonly rejected because the HO feels there is a risk the applicant will take full-time employment and stay long term. You know that very well yourself and you even benefited from the Home Office's tolerance of a previous WHM rejection! See below:
quote: Man! Talk about slamming the door in everybody elses' face after you got through! I really do hope you can be a little more positive; you may even learn to enjoy life in this "dump" called London! Joseph P.S. I take back what I said before, that at least you were positive about Australia. You even dissed Australia in one of your posts (see below)!
quote: [ February 19, 2004: Message edited by: Joseph01 ] |
| Cosmopol Member Member # 7165 | Posted February 19, 2004 03:27 AM Just slightly surprised to see such persistence in being wrong Might seem funny how you, having moved to the UK via a recently introduced visa programme, are so quick to belittle others. Imagine other highly skilled folks who, unlike you, were able to secure offers from the UK employers without the need for HSMP scheme. What might they think of you if they were to adopt your discriminating attitude? And speaking of discrimination, there are so many ways in which any one of us might not "make the cut" in the various stratas of society, it's really only fair to be tolerant with others if we expect others to be tolerant with us. Skills of a worker is just one aspect of what makes a successful employee, a team, a company. During my tenure as an IT manager in one of the highest-notch corporations there are, I did let go a number of employees who were highly skilled, yet too big-headed to get along with their "lesser" project members. And perhaps naturally, it rarely was them who'd stay until early hours trying to address an eleventh-hour emergency before the deadline. You do not really succeed alone, be it at work or at home. And you definitely do not succeed by thinking negatively of this imperfect world and its imperfect inhabitatnts, who are only human, after all. I hope you don't sleep in the office -- life is much bigger than that. And speaking of life, your calling London - one of the finest, most beautiful, historical, diverse, culturally richest cities on Earth - a "dump"... leaves me with a strange impression of something being seriously wrong. I would think someone of intelligence might take a few years to learn and experience and get to understand the complex life of the big old capital, and to find one's adequate niche in it, before coming to any conclusions whatsoever. Don't mean to reproach, just sharing the thoughts - with all due respect. [ February 19, 2004: Message edited by: Cosmopol ] |
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