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| bella_uk Member Member # 7162 | Posted February 26, 2004 03:35 PM I finally received back my passports with Can PR visa. Naturally, my next question is about the time of validity of my HSMP visa. If I flew to Canada at the end of next month and spend there 2-3 weeks for lending procedure would my HSMP visa steel be useful? My HSMP clock has started this week, so approximately 2 months could be gone from my initial HSMP time period. Kayalami, I copy/pasted your message from other thread: “5. Evidence on the board shows that those who delay their entry into the UK until well into their initial HSMP visa validity i.e. post 6 mths unless they are coming to a job have the least success for HSMP renewal.” Do I have 6 months to enter the UK? How much time do I have to enter the UK to keep the chance for HSMP renewal? And what about 2 years initial HSMP visa period, received by Ajay, any news about this hot subject? Is it correct, did anybody else received 2years initial HSMP visa? Any advices will be appreciated… |
| Kayalami Member Member # 5984 | Posted February 26, 2004 03:57 PM Congrats on attaining Can PR especially given the concern you had on its issuance based on you having an HSMP visa..see Kayalami knew what was going to happen . I need some more info to assist in giving a more detailed response.
2. Do you intend to be employed or self employed. 3. What is the validity of your HSMP visa i.e. date from and date to. 4. What is the expiry date on your Can PR visa. -------------------- ---audi alteram partem--- |
| JayGee Member Member # 7446 | Posted February 26, 2004 04:05 PM Congrat's... |
| bella_uk Member Member # 7162 | Posted February 26, 2004 04:16 PM quote: Yes, indeed! quote: Usual IT professional, programmer, software engineer quote: Employed, I think quote: HSMP visa started from the end of February, 12 months period, may be it is possible to update to 24 months? quote: Can PR visa is valid until the end of December. |
| Chess Member Member # 7233 | Posted February 26, 2004 04:25 PM Bella, Congratulations and jubilation, now the choice is yours - I hope and pray that you make the right one (unfortunately you cant make both countries your permanent residence)..... have you heard of that famous question - Have you got 'Canadian Experience'? hmmmmmmm (food for thought) -------------------- .........Nkosi sikelele Africa |
| Cosmopol Member Member # 7165 | Posted February 26, 2004 04:45 PM Congratulations from me, too -- best of luck in navigating the situations in these new countries! |
| Dip Member Member # 4428 | Posted February 26, 2004 04:55 PM Bella, Congrats.... Chess, I've heard that phrase many times and is the same anywhere you move to...I will soon have to give up my Canadian Residency on grounds of being out of the country for 2 out of 5 i guess...In my case it was a sheer waste of time, as I never took it seriously .. although I must admit that I like that country. Regards |
| bella_uk Member Member # 7162 | Posted February 26, 2004 05:05 PM Thank you all, friends!
quote: Yes, but meantime I do not have ILR, I am trying to keep HSMP (that is actually UK work permit) valid together with activating Can PR. quote: Again Yes, I am aware about. That is why I am trying to figure out how to keep HSMP schema valid for me, if it is possible. |
| Kayalami Member Member # 5984 | Posted February 26, 2004 05:07 PM 1/2. IT is in bad shape not just in the UK but most of the 'west' worsened by the excess supply of skilled personnel and the growth in the offshore industry. IMHO you will have a pretty tough time getting something in both employed/ self employed though your technical base, experience and communication skills may be fairly strong giving you an improved chance. Note that you are unlikely to make any progress until you are physically present in the UK. It will probably take you a month or two to get interviews lined up or business accounts/ plans set up for self employment.
4. You have enough time to land in Canada then enter the UK to look for a job. The shorter the time you give yourself in the UK to find a job then the harder it will be to get a renewal. The HSMP team will want to see evidence of your economic activity or search thereof. Not being in the country doesn't do you any favours on this front and can be deemed that you have no intention to make the UK your home another criteria for renewal. Of concern is that your 1 yr anniversary is in traditionally the quitest time for recruitment i.e. the Dec-Feb stretch coinciding with businesses awaiting the new financial year in April to get their budgets (including employment) approved. HSMP Team will want to see bank statements/ wage slips for the 3 mths leading up to the renewal i.e. Nov, Dec, Jan - you don't want to be unemployed then. Best of luck -------------------- ---audi alteram partem--- |
| Kayalami Member Member # 5984 | Posted February 26, 2004 05:25 PM Dip
quote: There are exceptions to this where absences from Canada are ignored including: 1. Accompanying a Canadian Citizen as a spouse/ common law partner or child. 2. Working for the GOC or Can company (established in a Can province or territory). 3. Accompanying a PR as a spouse/common law partner or child where the Can PR is employed by the GOC or Can company. Can company related absences are heavily scrutinised and include verification by senior management that the job was not created for you to meet the residence criteria. Failing all this you can always re-apply for Can PR. Canada will remain a country built on immigration so the programme will not end. Too much of a revenue stream for the GOC - 575 CDN for 200,000 applicants per annum - that's big buck in any lingo -------------------- ---audi alteram partem--- |
| bella_uk Member Member # 7162 | Posted February 26, 2004 05:40 PM quote: Thank you, I really need it! |
| hsmphopeful Member Member # 7477 | Posted February 26, 2004 06:10 PM Dear Kayalami, you write
quote: Did you mean "will NOT be left intact'? If not, then could you explain the logic behind this? Thank you very much for all your help you give on this forum. |
| Dip Member Member # 4428 | Posted February 26, 2004 06:26 PM Mr/Miss/Mrs/Ms Kaya, You really impress me with your in-depth knowledge on immigration issues. I can bet you can start a consultancy firm and I would gladly send clients in your direction. (I hope Peteris is not listening zzzzzz). I find Joseph too an authority on the subject including some others I mentioned before. In all honesty, I gave up Canada, as it was not for me from a Career point of view. Toronto is a great place but with just 5 (big) banks, I don't see much future and consolidation is certainly on the cards..sooner rather than later. Chunk of the business is anyway gobbled up by NY in the North American time zone and being in UK has its own advantages as it gets both the Far east and US Markets business. Going by your points, I stand no chance to maintain the residency status. Do you reckon, Canadian authorities would view my second application negatively, should I try again a few years from now? Also what happens if I apply for a PR card from UK. I believe that is now required to travel there for a landed immigrant. Sorry if this topic is a tangent on the UK forum .... just a flow from the previous posts. Thanks |
| bella_uk Member Member # 7162 | Posted February 26, 2004 06:38 PM To Dip Dip, how much time did you spend in Canada? |
| Dip Member Member # 4428 | Posted February 26, 2004 06:47 PM Bella, Initially with landing documents for two weeks in 2001. It was mainly a holiday. Then on Business trips to Toronto around 6 times in 2002 each for a couple of days. Only once I was asked, what I did in NY, as my trips were always from NY to Toronto. Have kept a bank account live there with money. Have Social Insurance and Library cards. Just in case ... and all letters get routed to a friends house. With no immigration controls on leaving the country, I wonder how they keep track of movements. Regards |
| Cosmopol Member Member # 7165 | Posted February 26, 2004 07:09 PM quote: This will certainly keep changing in the post-9/11 world. I know people who became US citizens in violation of the law having barely spent a couple of years in total in the country -- by smartly manipulating 2 or 3 passports and using third countries as a transit point for passport stamping purposes. It's something that is possible to do under an "honour" system that has existed in the West in one shape or another, where you raise your hand and state on the record that you've spent the necessary time in the country. I myself don't wear white gloves at all times, but I wouldn't personally want to be in those shoes, though -- besides an irreversible ethical violation that may come to haunt one later, it's also an irreversible violation of law, and if ever discovered, the grant of citizenship is also revoked for good. [ February 26, 2004: Message edited by: Cosmopol ] |
| bella_uk Member Member # 7162 | Posted February 26, 2004 07:26 PM quote: Unfortunately, this is not for me, I do not have USA visa. |
| Dip Member Member # 4428 | Posted February 27, 2004 09:39 AM Cosmopol, As I said..."I wonder how ..." and am not suggesting any malafide intentions. There is no way a professional working and paying UK taxes can bluff the Canadian officials about his time spent in Canada. That's certainly not for us (and most certainly not for me). For those who like to take chances do it at their peril and I consider them foolish by any standard, regardless of how successful they may be in future. Bella, Although I have a 10 year US visa, there is no need to have one as long as you have a landed migrant status for Canada. So you are fine without a visa to go to the US. Just carry your Canada PR card. Regards |
| rajp Junior Member Member # 7366 | Posted February 27, 2004 01:19 PM I think USA has hanged rules regarding this. All canadian PR holders should have a visitors visa to enter USA. |
| Dip Member Member # 4428 | Posted February 27, 2004 01:21 PM Thanks for the headsup Rajp. Rgds |
| Kayalami Member Member # 5984 | Posted February 27, 2004 02:49 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: hsmphopeful ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did you mean "will NOT be left intact'? If not, then could you explain the logic behind this? Thank you very much for all your help you give on this forum. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. I meant it as it is written. IMHO the Home Office will not make further amendments to the HSMP scheme in particular extending the initial period to 2 years in 2004. HO focusing on extending asylum legislation criminalising asylum seekers for using forged documents in total disregard of 1951 convention and terrorism legislation to detain non nationals indefinitley. I believe they will review the labour market after the new EU countries join in. In any case my personal opinion is that the HSMP is moving away from its initial ethos of getting the cream of the crop senior management and technical skilled people into the UK (those earning circa +80GBP). Many people that would not get into the UK on a WP can get in via HSMP particularly in the IT sector. To his credit Madan has a note to this effect in one of his posts regarding 'High Skilled' personnel in his home country vis a vis current programme but I can't seem to find the relevant link at the moment. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. No it will not be viewed negatively. You would have to submit a fresh application with all the required documentation and fees on the date as well as meet the points criteria. New IRPA requires you to meet points criteria at the time of decision making as opposed to old act which was at time of application. Maximising your scores typically involves fluency in English and French and having a partner educated to degree level. 2. You can ONLY apply for a PR Card in Canada. However people landing after 28 June 2002 i.e. when the IRPA came into effect have their photos taken from the new confirmation of PR document at the time of landing or failing that the IO will take your photo during landing and a PR card posted to you at a Canadian address. If you meet the residency requirement you can apply for a travel document at the CHC London for 50 CDN. If a visa officer confirms you have maintained PR status he/she will grant you a TD attached to your ppt as visa counterfoil good for a single journey to Canada. Upon entry into Canada the IO will cancel the TD visa as NOT VALID FOR TRAVEL without prejudice and advise you to apply for a PR Card. 3.Any person travelling by commercial carrier into Canada who claims to be a Can PR must submit a PR Card as prima facie evidence of their PR status. The IMM1000 record of landing will no longer be accepted. However if you are travelling in a private car or crossing the border by foot e.g Peace Bridge at Niagra then you can use your IMM1000 - except detailed scrutiny for this. You are well advised to carry photo ID in this case e.g. Health Card, DL. 4. Prior to 17 March 2003 any Can PR with commonwealth citizenship could travel to the US visa free (non immigrant status only). This has now changed and all Can PR's must hold the appropriate non immigrant visa in their ppt unless they are a citizen of a country on the Visa Waiver Programme e.g. the UK, Australia, New Zealand and Ireland in which case they will be admitted under the VWP scheme i.e. 90 days max. Hope that helps. -------------------- ---audi alteram partem--- |
| Dip Member Member # 4428 | Posted February 27, 2004 02:50 PM Kaya, More than helps ... thanks a ton. It is my intention to hold on to the Canadian PR. Regards |
| Kayalami Member Member # 5984 | Posted February 27, 2004 02:57 PM Dip, Not sure if you psoted this or whether it remains confidential: 1. What was your Can landing date - MM/YY will do. 2. How much time do you guesstimate to have been in Canada since initial landing. 3. Do you hold a Returning Resident's Permit. 4. What is your time line to UK ILR. Regards - Kayalami -------------------- ---audi alteram partem--- |
| Cosmopol Member Member # 7165 | Posted February 27, 2004 03:01 PM quote: Sure thing, that's how I understood it -- was just confirming that no, in many cases the governments are not tracking or stamping departures; thus a loophole. I think the US has begun registering departure times late last year. Also wanted to add that all in all there are 27 countries on the list of Visa Waiver Program, although there some restrictions. Here's the list and all the pertinent details. [ February 27, 2004: Message edited by: Cosmopol ] |
| Dip Member Member # 4428 | Posted February 27, 2004 03:04 PM quote: Kaya, Nope nothing confidential there except my identity. 1. May 2001 2. 33 days 3. Nope - do I need one? I thought you need it only if you are not in Canada for 3 out of 5 years 4. Got my ILR last year. Regards [ February 27, 2004: Message edited by: Dip ] |
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