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| hsmphopeful Member Member # 7477 | Posted March 02, 2004 03:08 PM Greetings I just received HSMP refusal letter - they awarded only 45 points (including by the way significant achievement points). I suppose I didn't enclose enough evidence. Anyway, I will be submitting a review application, and wanted to know whether there are people on this forum who have been through this review process. If so, how/where did you obtain form HSMP(Rev)? Many thanks |
| Dip Member Member # 4428 | Posted March 02, 2004 03:11 PM Hsmphopeful, Sorry to hear that your application got rejected. I am sure other experienced members will help you with your specific queries. Good luck and regards |
| hsmphopeful Member Member # 7477 | Posted March 02, 2004 03:13 PM Thanks Dip! :-) |
| Cane Junior Member Member # 7458 | Posted March 02, 2004 03:47 PM hsmphopeful, Sorry to hear that. Do stay hopeful though. May I ask when you submitted your application and whether it was from outside the UK? Thanks |
| Kayalami Member Member # 5984 | Posted March 02, 2004 04:02 PM hsmphopeful, I am sorry that you were not successful in the HSMP application on this occassion. The HSMP (Rev) form in common with other appeal/ reconsideration forms to the Home Office are usually included with a negative decision. You may wish to contact the HSMP Team by e-mail and/or telephone to request for the form. It may be possible for them to send it as an attachment. In terms of a way forward this would require an indepth review of your application to clearly identify the shortfall areas so I don't think anyone can really help you in that way as we don't have all the details to hand. You are best to review the areas you fell short which I presume to be related to your work experience and focus on obtaining the evidence to substantiate such. Good Luck -------------------- ---audi alteram partem--- |
| Hussain Hyd Junior Member Member # 7643 | Posted March 02, 2004 05:23 PM HSMP Revised approval chances From what ever information i have , I have come to know following things So what we actually can hope to receive Then problem is funds , how u will show it what i want to tell u is before considering to re apply try to again build up your file in such a way that it is very short and easy for senior case worker to consider in short time try to study were your points have been deducted and how best documentation u can subsatntiate from U.K based firms
conatact me on mail hus331@rediffmail.com if u want any further info but dont be in haste Hope u will suceed soon |
| hsmphopeful Member Member # 7477 | Posted March 02, 2004 05:27 PM Dear Kayalami, Thank you so much for your reply. Yes, I will contact them to obtain the form. The funny situation is that they gave me 15 points for significant achievement but didn't give 10 points for my spouse (I understand I didn't provide enough evidence that we are living together since marriage in 2001) and instead of 35 or 50 points for work experience they gave me 25, which is non-sense - I am working since 1996 in a specialist occupation (information assurance)... Anyway I will appeal and see what happens. |
| Chess Member Member # 7233 | Posted March 02, 2004 05:33 PM Hsmphopeful, Sorry about that unwelcome news I suggest that you prepare a FRESH application providing all original and appropriate supporting documents.. ..I suspect if you appeal then it will take longer as your documents may be put at the bottom of the in-tray Good luck and all the best -------------------- .........Nkosi sikelele Africa |
| hsmphopeful Member Member # 7477 | Posted March 03, 2004 11:59 AM Dear Kayalami, Are you available for for-a-fee consultation regarding my appeal? I did seek advise of an immigration consultant but as you can see it wasn't of high quality :-) Many thanks |
| Chess Member Member # 7233 | Posted March 03, 2004 12:14 PM Hsmphopeful, You dont need to throw more 'good money' after 'bad money'. I dont think you need a consultant. HSMP is quite straight forward - if you dont have appropriate 'Authentic Evidence' you will not be able to claim the points! What you need to do is to acquire as much evidence as possible for all your claimed points in accordance with the HSMP guidelines BTW, I am sending an Invoice (inclusive of VAT) for the advice above -------------------- .........Nkosi sikelele Africa |
| Kayalami Member Member # 5984 | Posted March 03, 2004 03:06 PM hsmhopeful, Thank you for your obvious consideration of my contribution to the board as to a high enough standard for a fee based consultation. I offer such on a free basis to help the forum in their applications. Initial pointers from your posts is that you are in the under 28 category and that you appear not have claimed/scored points for education which I find surprising given your points for SA and work experience. You expected 35/50 points for WE - have you worked for 4 or more years? You also acknoweldge failing to provide the required evidence of living with your partner. A lawyer/consultant would tell you what we are all telling you for free...gather more evidence to support your review. I would suggest you start with the HSMP programme notes to clarify what the HSMP Team wants. I would respectfully differ with Chess and recommend submitting a HSMP (rev) as opposed to a fresh application because this saves you a second filing fee and joining the 6-8 queue which IMHO is bound to grow longer because your rev will be given to the relevant caseworker upon receipt. This doesn't mean you cannot submit fresh documents..just that you should clearly mark your application as one for review. I recommend submitting the rev application within 28 days of the initial refusal. However if it will take a bit longer but enable you to provide better documentation then do so. -------------------- ---audi alteram partem--- |
| Chess Member Member # 7233 | Posted March 03, 2004 03:20 PM Kaya, Based on your explanation above, I agree that HSMP(rev) would be more appropriate. The nittygritty of all this is submission of sufficient authentic evidence for claimed points. -------------------- .........Nkosi sikelele Africa |
| Dip Member Member # 4428 | Posted March 03, 2004 03:45 PM Kaya, Each one of us has an interest in the Board (or so I thought till I read your previous post)......What ticks you? Are you really a kind hearted man/woman, who believes in charity? or employed by Workpermit.com? I don't mind giving you my account number if you are distribuiting wealth. Make sure you deduct a fiver or so for the beer I owe you hahah. Feel free to ignore the question .......is not meant to divert the original topic by hsmphopeful. Cheers |
| Kayalami Member Member # 5984 | Posted March 03, 2004 03:47 PM quote: Indeed...trust you have had the joy to visit Africa from the North to the South.....taking in places such as Lagos, Nairobi, Capetown, Cairo and of course Joburg. Kyalami means 'my home' in the zulu language. -------------------- ---audi alteram partem--- |
| hsmphopeful Member Member # 7477 | Posted March 03, 2004 03:58 PM Thanks Kayalami, I'll heed your advice :-) |
| Kayalami Member Member # 5984 | Posted March 03, 2004 04:01 PM quote: Of course we are all have an interest on the board including the many people who tirelessly log in day in/day out to respond to queries not least yourself, Chess, Cosmopol, TVT, Joseph01 and many others. Free in my last response to hsmphopeful is in the context of voluntary and that I am not paid nor do I expect such for any advice..after all its based on my understanding of UK immigration laws. People working/fronting for host sites always plug in their services e.g. 'HSMP applications can be quite complicated - contact us for an evaluation and assistance with your case'. I do not endorse workpermit.com or any other organisation for the provision of immigration advice just that such should be sought from an OISC registered or exempt party.
quote: - go on then. -------------------- ---audi alteram partem--- |
| Chess Member Member # 7233 | Posted March 03, 2004 04:14 PM Dip... You never know one day Kaya will be Knighted as Sir Kayalami or Baroness/Lady Kayalami And...on going to recieve the knighthood from the Queen - or should I say King Charles by that time...the announcement would be... Kaya - "For services to UK immigration by helping legal migrants and would be Stowaways and Assylum Seekers" Hip Hip ..Hoooorahhhhhhhhh -------------------- .........Nkosi sikelele Africa |
| JayGee Member Member # 7446 | Posted March 03, 2004 04:18 PM Hey Kayalami, are you from KZN? By the way Chess, you missed an i in Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika. |
| Dip Member Member # 4428 | Posted March 03, 2004 04:24 PM ...kaya ... thanks for the offer, I will keep it on hold for now!! watch for this space. An offer from me in return.....I promise to upgrade you to best friend status, if you provide me with your credit card details. Offer expires today. Cheers Chess - yup possible |
| Kayalami Member Member # 5984 | Posted March 03, 2004 04:35 PM Chess - there you again knighting me again....whatever shall I wear to the event JG - spent some of my formative years in the PWV region....remember Hillbrow before it became a place of ill repute and several trips to the cinema opposite the carlton towers not to mention the odd sojourn to bruma (sp) mkt . Dip - lets swap details when we hook up . -------------------- ---audi alteram partem--- |
| Chess Member Member # 7233 | Posted March 03, 2004 04:45 PM JG, Thats the spelling I have known since my 'General Studies' days!!!!..... ....Perharps I should have used Swahili.... Any how, one thing for certain, is that most of the forum members are very knowledgeable and well travelled with good well rounded education.... I have a few 'English' born and bred senior engineers and graduate engineers working 'under' me but they dont have a clue about anything international!!! leave alone writting in gramatically correct English -------------------- .........Nkosi sikelele Africa |
| JayGee Member Member # 7446 | Posted March 03, 2004 05:42 PM I certainly agree!! |
| Joseph01 Member Member # 7141 | Posted March 03, 2004 05:43 PM hsmphopeful, Back to your problem, I'm sorry to see that you were rejected. I recall that you published a bestselling book in your field, which is very impressive. At least they gave you 15 points for Significant Achievement.
Although you mentioned that you held a IT director-level position in a UK startup company for 8 months during year 2000, that won't count because it lasted less than the 1-year minimum for senior-level experience, which you would need to get 50 points instead of 25 for work experience. So, you have to concentrate on getting them to consider your graduate work experience as 4+ years instead of 2 years, thus getting the needed 10 points. It’s going to be tough, if you don’t have a degree, but it is worth trying. Perhaps you can get letters and other original documentation from your various employers from 1996 attesting that your job functions were graduate level. You should be able to do this because they already seem to recognise 2+ years of graduate level experience. Hope this is helpful. Good luck! Joseph [ March 03, 2004: Message edited by: Joseph01 ] |
| hsmphopeful Member Member # 7477 | Posted March 04, 2004 07:08 AM Thanks Joseph! What I am going to do is to try and prove 10 points for partner and 50 points for work experience, this time providing more specific letters of reference. Will keep the board updated |
| Babar Malik Junior Member Member # 7689 | Posted March 04, 2004 07:29 AM Hi all Btw Joseph! What is the criterion of HSMP team for giving graduate level and specialist experience? I mean what kind of ref letter should be there in both cases. Is it necessary to write statement that this post needs graduate level or it’s understandable from the role e.g. Software Project Leader. I've got ref letter from my employer exactly describing my role that is leading a software development team from last 2.5 years. Can I hope for 50 points or 35 points? For your info, i also have bachelor(honors) and master degree in IT. regards |
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