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Carleen Junior Member Member # 344 | Posted October 15, 2001 09:50 PM Hello, I'm an American anxious to work in Paris, France. In researching my options for securing a work permit, the best I've found so far is an agency that can help obtain an 18-month permit with the stipulation that I am being provided training by the French employer. As I have six years experience in my field (IT programming) & not interested in management, I'm unlikely to find such a position. My question (finally) is this: Does WorkPermit work in the same manner? Or can I receive a permit regardless of the level of senority? Thanks for any info! |
kbonnie Junior Member Member # 354 | Posted October 16, 2001 12:29 PM I am also an american wanting to work in France. Can you provide any advice? Thanks Kevin |
Elfa Member Member # 5 | Posted October 17, 2001 11:57 AM Hi Carleen & Kevin In order to work in France, one generally needs to have a job offer from a French company (for a full work permit) that has advertised the position for several weeks and has been unable to find a suitable French or EU national to fill the position. For a detache work permit (the 18-month one you were referring to, Carleen) you must be employed by a non-French company who is providing services to a French company for this period. You must have a contract for provision of services or training (as you mentioned, Carleen). Once you have this offer, Workpermit.com can assist you with getting the actual work permit. The detache is much easier to obtain as the French authorities award only a small number of full work permits annually. I do hope this clarifies matters! Best regards Elfa -------------------- Elfa Kere, Consultant |
Carleen Junior Member Member # 344 | Posted October 17, 2001 04:38 PM Thanks Elfa, but I'm still a little confused. Who would be the non-French company that I would be working for? Are you saying that you can only provide a permit if my U.S. employer (whomever that may be) is sending me to France to work? |
Elfa Member Member # 5 | Posted October 18, 2001 04:23 PM HI Carleen If you are working for any company that is not based in France (i.e. in the US) and they wish to send you to France to work on a client site, for instance, then you would probably be eligible to apply for the detache work permit. For example, if you work for an IT company that contracts out its employees to international client sites, then you may have a chance to work in France. I hope this helps! Regards Elfa -------------------- Elfa Kere, Consultant |
Carleen Junior Member Member # 344 | Posted October 18, 2001 05:43 PM Hello Elfa, I appreciate your patience with me, but I don't think I made myself clear in my original post. I'm not looking for a detache permit. It was my understanding that I would find work with a French company, and an organization like WorkPermit could help that company get me a non-immigrant visa, good for 18 months. Is this not what you do? If not, what do you provide for non-EU citizens looking to work in France? --> I've discovered that the terms I should use are "independent migration". That's what I want to do. Does WorkPermit.com help with that? Thanks again for your patience. [ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: Carleen ] |
Elfa Member Member # 5 | Posted October 22, 2001 04:37 PM Dear Carleen Thanks again for your posting. As regards work permits for non-EU citizens who wish to work in Europe, we mostly assist European corporations in securing work permits for non-EU citizens who have been offered positions. This occurs when EU companies have difficulties in filling certain skilled positions from within the EU labour market. There is no such thing, unfortunately, as "independent immigration" for European countries. The only countries that offer this type of scheme are Canada, Australia and New Zealand. We can assist both you and your potential European employer in securing for you a work permit, as long as the European employer can show that there are a lack of specialists in your field in Europe. Some countries, i.e. Belgium and Sweden, offer "freelance visas" for non-EU citizens to freelance in Europe if they have a specialised skill. These are the only types of "work permits" that do not require a job offer in Europe. I am sorry if I did not make myself clear earlier, and if you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to ask! best regards Elfa -------------------- Elfa Kere, Consultant |
herman Member Member # 12 | Posted October 23, 2001 05:06 PM Hi Elfa, I just have one question regarding getting a French work permit. In the UK, if you skill is on a shortage list, the requirement for employers to advertise the post for residents is waived, and the permit is granted without conditions. For France, is it necessary for the employer to attempt to recruit a resident national, even with Europe wide shortage skills? |
herman Member Member # 12 | Posted October 23, 2001 05:14 PM Hi Carleen, as France has stricter workpermit laws, it will be more difficult for you to get a permanent job there than in Germany or the UK. THe detache permit is basically for non-French companies who need to send non-EU nationals employed by them to work on a client site in France. You could try a site like www.planetrecruit.com, which has postings from all over the world, but as I have difficulty convincing recruiters to keep my CV for UK positions [with more liberal workpermit laws than France], then I don't think that many French recruiters will put your file forward. You might try www.sybersolve.com, and ask if they have any projects in France for you to work on. In addition, I think there was a recruiter that contacted me a few months back who is based in the UK, but specialises in jobs on the Continent. I forgot the name of this recruiter, but I will look for it when I get back home... Herman
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Elfa Member Member # 5 | Posted October 24, 2001 02:14 PM Hi Herman If a French employer wishes to hire a non-EU national for a highly-skilled position permanently, he would need to apply for a full French work permit. In 1998, France authorised approximately 4500 full French work permits, as compared to 70,000 similar permits that were granted in the UK. Obviously, the French authorities are not very keen on doling these out. So, to answer your question, yes, the employer would need to show evidence that recruitment efforts have been made within France, at least, to fill this position locally. This usually occurs in the form of contacting the local DDTEFP (labour office), completing a certain form, and then the labour office assists in trying to find a French person to fill this position. There are no official 'shortage lists' that I know of for France. Hope this helps, Elfa -------------------- Elfa Kere, Consultant |
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