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Entry problem for tuirist to the UK

Post by maxleon » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:52 pm

I hold a french passport and I live in the UK for two years.
My girlfriend is now here for a visit. She had a problem coming in after a short holiday together in Amsterdam. She holds an Israeli passport and was stopped by the imagration at Stansted Airport. When we asked for explenation we where given non.
She was held for 4 hours and in the end was relieased only to report after 2 days.
When she came today after consolting with a loyer and bringing all neccecery documents, she was again refused on the basiss that they wouldn't belive her for being a turist, and was givven 5 days to exit the country.
What shall we do?
Can they refuse with no reson?
Why didn't them let her speak with her loyer during interview?

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Post by K2004 » Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:03 pm

You started by saying that your GF was her for a visit ,, then you say that she holds a tourist visa. visiting and tourist are different things.may be they think that she intends to settle in UK forever.

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Post by tvt » Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:16 pm

Your GF either said something wrong at the point of entry or that she was suspected of intending to immigrate (through you). Next time I suggest she obtains an Entry Clearance as a visitor.
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Post by tvt » Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:51 am

Also as Israel is a war torn country maybe they suspect that she would be claiming asylum here.
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Post by EdgeHillMole » Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:48 pm

When they asked your GF if she had a return plane ticket, did she answer yes? Did she prove to them she was actually holding a return plane ticket in her hand and showed them what the return date on it was?

How did she answer the question about why she was visiting the UK?

Did she say she was visiting 'her boyfriend', 'a boyfriend', 'a friend', 'her partner' or 'her fiance'? What did she indicate in the discussion about the closeness of your relationship (i.e., did she indicate that you were practically engaged, about to get engaged, were thinking of living together, etc.)? This is all pretty personal stuff, but we're thinking she must have indicated something about the relationship that made them think it was serious enough for her to potentially declare a partnership, engagement, or marriage (The ways to immigrate in that manner to UK).

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Post by EdgeHillMole » Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:52 pm

Also, was your GF able to prove to the immigration authorities that she still had a job, house full of her personal possessions, family, and pets (If applicable) back home in Israel? Typically, people do not abandon their house, job, loved ones, and all their earthly possessions prior to immigrating or seeking assylum (There are of course exceptions).

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Post by Kayalami » Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:02 pm

maxleon wrote:What shall we do?
The best thing is for her to leave the UK as required - she has been lucky to even get temporary admission as most people are returned on the first available flight back to their point of origin. Overstaying is illegal and harms any future travel to the UK especially of a temporary nature e.g. visitor, student.
maxleon wrote:Can they refuse with no reson?
A refusal is based on a failure to meet the requirements of the immigration rules pertaining to the class or reason for entry into the UK. Your g/f has not satisfied the Immigration Officer that she is a bonafide visitor who intends to depart the UK after a temporary (6 mths max) stay. Since none of us is privy to the conversation with the IO nor do we know her circumstances (job, income, family etc) we cannot determine which particular reasons the IO based his/her decision on. However the IO must have refered the case to a more senior colleague such as a Chief IO or Immigration Inspector - the IO may have wanted to refuse your g/f outright and the CIO approved temporary admission.
maxleon wrote:Why didn't them let her speak with her loyer during interview?
Matters pertaining to immigration are based on the civil standard of probabilities as opposed to absolute proof (unless criminal aspects in play) - you do not have recourse/eligibility for a lawyer at an immigration interview. The IO can at his/her discretion agree to one being there but they cannot talk or advice - they can only take notes.

As an EU national you do no not require leave to enter but are instead admitted into the UK under treaty laws. Entry into the UK for those that require leave to enter such as your g/f is a 'privilege' not a 'right' is the theme here.

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