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News article on E.U1:Your story wanted!

Post by archigabe » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:04 pm

Hello Everyone,
A friend of ours from the Sunday Tribune (Colin Murphy) is writing a follow up article on the E.U1 situation after the one he wrote in August 2006. If anyone wants to talk to him and tell him how you've been affected by the E.U1 fiasco and have your story included in the article,please pm me with your phone number or email and he will get it touch.
The Sunday Tribune is read by a lot of Irish policy makers and politicians.
Thanks!
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Post by archigabe » Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:50 pm

My friend says the story is coming out on this sunday's Irish Sunday Tribune...apparently he was not able to talk to everyone who gave their contact info.

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Post by yankeegirl » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:59 pm

Be sure to post a link for us :D

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Post by archigabe » Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:06 pm

sure will, YG!

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Post by archigabe » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:58 am

The story is on the right side of the page...
http://www.tribune.ie/home.tvt
under 'Editor's Desk' titled 'Couple who took on the state and won'
unfortunately the link doesn't seem to load.

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Post by microlab » Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:51 pm

Got the paper and read the story :wink:
By the way,nice family photo Gabriel :D

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Post by zeke1015 » Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:11 pm

there is the story:


GABRIEL and Christelle J*****'s is an unlikely love story. Just before Christmas, it received an unusual endorsement in the High Court.

The couple had spent over a year in legal "limbo", broke and living in a Rathmines bedsit, with a baby on the way.

Gabriel, from India, had been refused both residency and a work permit. He faced possible deportation. In the meantime, his wife, Christelle, who gave birth to a daughter in October, has been supporting the family on her maternity benefit.

Christelle is French, and believed she was entitled, under an EU "free movement" directive, to have her husband live with her in Ireland. So late last year, the couple sued the Department of Justice.

In December, the Department of Justice backed down. Despite having previously refused Gabriel various types of visa on four separate occasions, the department offered him full "EU Treaty" rights, including five-year residency. The department agreed to pay their costs, likely to be close to 20,000, and the couple can still take a case for damages arising from Gabriel not having been able to work here.

But there was one condition. The department demanded a confidentiality clause in the settlement agreement.

Asked about this by the Sunday Tribune, a spokesperson for the Department of Justice said such confidentiality clauses were "routinely" included in settlement agreements.

He warned: "Breaches of the terms of settlement, including the confidentiality clause, are taken very seriously by the department."

The J*****s, however, refused to accept the confidentiality clause, and the department ultimately agreed to the settlement without it.

The J*****s were not alone. Hundreds of couples found themselves in the same situation last year, as a result of a government regulation that said that EU citizens married to people from outside the EU would have to live together elsewhere in the EU before being entitled to settle in Ireland.

A number of these couples have taken cases against the department. Just before Christmas, a large number of these cases were settled, at significant cost to the state.

The department has refused to provide details of the number and cost of these cases, saying they were sub judice.

However, the fact that many of them were being settled by the department was stated in court by the department's counsel, according to legal documents seen by the Sunday Tribune.

One law firm, Brophy Solicitors, settled seven such cases (including the that of the J*****s) against the Department of Justice on 19 December, at a total cost to the state that could reach 200,000.

Kevin Brophy said: "This was an openand-shut case, yet the Department brought it right to the steps of the court, purely in an attempt to scare the J****s away."

He said the department was responsible for "clogging up" the High Court by refusing visa applications from these couples, forcing them to go to the court.

The J*****s based their case on an EU directive that says that EU citizens have the right to free movement with their families.

When the government transposed this directive into Irish law, it added the requirement that EU citizens who wished to live in Ireland with spouses from outside the EU would have to prove that they had lived together in another EU country first.

This targeted so-called "sham marriages". It was believed that some men from outside the EU were paying to marry women from EU accession countries in order to become legal in Ireland.

But many legitimate couples, like the J*****s, were caught in the measure.

Gabriel J*****s said he knew that there were "marriages of convenience" happening, but the legislation designed to counter them was "like using a hammer to crack a nut."

"We felt like we were stuck in some gulag in North Korea, and not in a part of so-called modern Europe."

Christelle J*****n has been living and working in Ireland for six years.

Gabriel, an architect, was working as an urban planner in the US. The couple met online, corresponded and, after a series of holidays together, including a visit to Gabriel's parents in India, got engaged.

Gabriel found an architectural firm willing to sponsor him for a work permit, but his application was so delayed in the Department of Justice that the job fell through. Then Gabriel was refused a tourist visa to Ireland, with the official refusal stating that he was considered a security risk.

Eventually, Christelle travelled to marry Gabriel in India. Gabriel secured a temporary spouse's visa from the Irish embassy, and they came to Ireland together.

By the time Gabriel's application for residency was refused, Christelle was pregnant. Then Gabriel was refused a renewal of his temporary visa, because Christelle's maternity benefit would not be enough to support both of them.

It took a court case to win what they believe they were always entitled to.

"We felt completely trapped and frightened during what should have been the happiest period of our lives, ", says Gabriel. "Now, we hope our situation will give hope to others.

"After three years of being here and there, trying to be together, now we can finally get on with our lives."

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Post by archigabe » Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:22 pm

microlab wrote:Got the paper and read the story :wink:
By the way,nice family photo Gabriel :D
Thanks for the compliments!

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Post by archigabe » Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:32 pm

sorry guys, I am editing my last name out even though it appears on the paper edition :cry:
If you want to use my last name as a precedent for your case in court,please pm me.

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Post by yankeegirl » Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:20 pm

Fantastic article. Thanks for putting it on here zeke! And kudos to you archigabe for sticking with it and not backing down!!!

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Post by eufreemovement » Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:02 pm

yankeegirl wrote:Fantastic article. Thanks for putting it on here zeke! And kudos to you archigabe for sticking with it and not backing down!!!
This is the link for that great news. Excellent Archigabe.

http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_scop ... 0India&FC=

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Post by megmog » Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:10 pm

GREAT article... Does anyone know what the situation is regarding a change in the "requirements" for the residency permit in light of these recent developments? Have we heard anymore?..........

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Post by Birdy » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:15 pm

With you having been living in the uk in the interim you should be fine meg
Happy now in the U.K. not so happy about the Rugby

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Post by yankeegirl » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:29 pm

This is the link for that great news. Excellent Archigabe.
Thank you for posting that. My husband (Irish citizen) doesn't pay too much attention to politics and current events but I made him sit down and read the article. He was absolutely horrified that his government could be so crappy.

PS. Absolutely lovely photo and congrats on the baby :)

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Post by archigabe » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:36 pm

Thanks YG,we are really proud of our little one, though a bedsit is not the best place to have a crying baby :cry:
I hope we can move soon.They still haven't given us the paperwork, apparently they are having trouble finding someone to type the letter :?

I think Colin did a really good job in crafting the article...a real journalist!
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Post by archigabe » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:27 am

Hello everyone, we are on news at 1 on RTE 1 today. Just gave a short interview on the radio...Hopefully it will raise awareness on the story.

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Post by greentea » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:59 am

archigabe wrote:Hello everyone, we are on news at 1 on RTE 1 today. Just gave a short interview on the radio...Hopefully it will raise awareness on the story.
Congratulations! Read the article, will watch the program tonight. Your family is going to be celebrity. keep us updated about your new life. :lol:

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Post by archigabe » Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:07 pm

Thanks :) it's on RTE1 radio at 1pm in the afternoon.

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Post by runie80 » Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:14 pm

Link for those who are outside Ireland

Listen online

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/
In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

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Post by yankeegirl » Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:16 pm

Link for those who are outside Ireland

Listen online

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/
Awesome!!! I was just getting ready to look for something like that.

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Post by yankeegirl » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:31 pm

Great interview. I especially loved that your daughter had to join in the conversation!

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Post by archigabe » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:35 pm

Im a bit embarassed,I had a bad cold :oops:

they also had edited out some other points that I had made.

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Post by runie80 » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:54 pm

Great interview

your daughter made some good points :)

Why you are embarrassed ? DOJ should be embarrassed.

I don't think they will change though.




Here is the recording of the

News and interview for those who missed

http://www.box.net/shared/d8pkrzu68s :wink:
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Post by archigabe » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:08 pm

I think she wanted to complain that she couldn't have her own room because daddy is not allowed to work :(

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Post by yankeegirl » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:07 pm

Just look at it this way though...you took them on and won. It's onward and upward from now on. You guys can move forward now, have a happy and wonderful family life, and give the State which tried to prevent that a giant 2 finger salute :wink:

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