at least we have the decency to say please with that, lol.
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THE GOVERNMENT is to make more than 200 of its own amendments to the controversial Immigration, Residence and Protection Bill, The Irish Times has learned.
The amendments, which were drafted after a series of meetings between officials from the Department of Justice and the Office of Integration, include the removal of a requirement for residents from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) to seek the Minister for Justice's permission to marry.
Officials have agreed that aspects of the proposed law could damage Ireland's ability to attract and retain skilled migrants, and many of the changes aim to make the immigration regime more attractive to those who are legally resident here.
One change will allow for multiple re-entry visas to be issued to 60,000 resident foreigners who currently have to apply for a re-entry visa each time they leave the State.The move comes amid reports that some skilled migrants, including Filipino nurses, are moving from Ireland to other western states, and aims to reassure legally-resident migrants that their immediate family will be entitled to join them here.
Civil servants are studying the Canadian reunion model, which allows permanent residents to sponsor a spouse, partner, dependent child or other eligible relative (such as a parent or, in some cases, grandparent) to become a permanent resident.
The majority of the Government's amendments are aimed at non-EEA citizens with legal residence, but there is less willingness to change provisions on asylum, which have been the focus of many of the Bill's critics.
The UN's refugee agency has identified 76 areas, ranging from access to the State for asylum seekers to the use of detention and the assessment of asylum claims, which it is concerned fall short of international standards.
what i your point, i take it you are being Sarcastic. it gets pretty annoying when alot of generalisation is made yet people dont produce links, proof etc to support their comments. but of course you think when i say reputiable you go thinking that someone like me thinks foreigners are not capable of reading the big papers like the indo (crap paper) or the times (boring). you are wrongbloody foreigner wrote:Hi walrusgrumble,
Here's an amusing little game that some of us foreigners like to play:
Buy an Irish newspaper, the more "reputable" the better, then sit down and with a red pen highlight all the spelling and grammatical errors on the front page.
Well, it beats just reading the Metro on the DART anyway.
The Immigration Residence and Protection Bill 2008 is currently being debated in the Dáil. Unfortunately, rather than using this as an opportunity to make current procedures fairer and more transparent, the Minister for Justice plans to extend the powers of immigration officers. An immigration officer will be able to "detain and examine" anyone whom they "reasonably suspect to be a foreign national". There is no time limit attached to this detention nor is there any recourse to a lawyer.
Furthermore, where it appears to an immigration officer that a foreign national is unlawful, he or she can be deported without notice. This is a draconian provision in blatant violation of international law. Moreover, if someone is refused "leave to land" at a port, there is no right of appeal and generally the reason for refusal cannot be obtained. This may also affect people seeking asylum.
By Minister , maybe you mean a priest.travel-vacation wrote:i think it is nice step for the country that Foreign nationals who wish to contract a marriage in the State will be required to be lawfully resident in the State at the time of the marriage and notify the Minister of the intended marriage
eh no, the department of justice or directly the marriage registration office.also, i am sure you are aware many people won't go to a "priest" as they may not be Christianacme4242 wrote:By Minister , maybe you mean a priest.travel-vacation wrote:i think it is nice step for the country that Foreign nationals who wish to contract a marriage in the State will be required to be lawfully resident in the State at the time of the marriage and notify the Minister of the intended marriage
But otherwise, why should I or anyone else, have to go cap in hand to such self-serving
pompous blackguards like John O Donoghue
i think there is some very very old legislation that deals with it. there may already be offences in place for sham marriages, see the illegal immigrant act 2000 and the immgration act 2004.(albeiting people to coming in illegally)acme4242 wrote:There has been NO legislation proposed in Ireland to make
such shame marriages a crime and annul such marriages.
Annulment means that the marriage never actually existed.
That is all the Minister of Justice had to do.
He did not need to attack the institution of marriage and the rights
and dignity of genuine married families.
Stop saying the draconian Irish Immigration legislation of
recent years is about combating shame marriages.
It has been a wholesale import of British Anti-Family, Anti-Marriage laws.
That cares nothing for the Family.
There is not one piece of Irish Legislation written that makes it aThe Latvian authorities are apparently amazed at Ireland's lax controls over arranged or bogus marriages.
Last month, Latvian police said that they have been informed by the garda that such "marriages" are "not a crime" in Ireland.
If it had happened in Latvian we could have put them in prison
well, with employment down, these type of marriages will be rare now, so yeah, the department won't be able to rely on "sham marriages" as an excuse. But the figures provided above in the links (the percent of receipants of deportation orders and the extremely odd clash nationalities and culture of the spouses with very little evidence of a lengthy and durable relationship prior to the marriages speaks for itself.acme4242 wrote:quote from
http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 72358.htmlThere is not one piece of Irish Legislation written that makes it aThe Latvian authorities are apparently amazed at Ireland's lax controls over arranged or bogus marriages.
Last month, Latvian police said that they have been informed by the garda that such "marriages" are "not a crime" in Ireland.
If it had happened in Latvian we could have put them in prison
punishable offense
All the draconian Irish Immigration legislation of
recent years has been to remove rights and dignity of Genuine Marriage.
And match the British in their contempt for the institution and its citizens.
I can still see McDowell introducing his 'Fields of Athenry" legislation
allowing him to deport the spouse of Irish Citizens for criminal offenses.
He said it was to combat bogus marriages.
It really seems they want to maintain the allegations of sham
marriages, so they can keep introducing further draconian
Immigration legislation at will.
The Irish Government cannot make such a broad law, unless it is limited toIMMIGRATION, RESIDENCE AND PROTECTION BILL 2010 wrote: 7.—For the avoidance of doubt, the fact that a foreign national
seeking to enter into or be present or remain in the State is married,
or related by marriage, to a particular person does not, of itself,
create any entitlement for that foreign national to be granted a visa,
entry permission or residence permission, or have a residence per-
mission renewed under this Act.
Marriage itself not to create immigration advantage.
European Court of Justice wrote: A national of a non-Member State who is the member of the family of a
Community national exercising his right of freedom of movement cannot
be equated with a national of a non-Member State without that family tie;
on the contrary, that national of a non-Member State is the beneficiary of
derived rights under Community law and thus enjoys the same rights of
entry into and residence in the territory of another Member State as a
Community national.
This is absolutely ridiculous. Just shows how dearly beloved the DOJ actually are. Saying that marriage can't create an immigration advantage, so are the assuming that all marriages to non-nationals are for immigration purposes. They are actually so retarded in that department!acme4242 wrote:IMMIGRATION, RESIDENCE AND PROTECTION BILL 2010The Irish Government cannot make such a broad law, unless it is limited toIMMIGRATION, RESIDENCE AND PROTECTION BILL 2010 wrote: 7.—For the avoidance of doubt, the fact that a foreign national
seeking to enter into or be present or remain in the State is married,
or related by marriage, to a particular person does not, of itself,
create any entitlement for that foreign national to be granted a visa,
entry permission or residence permission, or have a residence per-
mission renewed under this Act.
Marriage itself not to create immigration advantage.
only Irish Families as this cannot apply to family members of community nationals,
or family members of legally recognised Refugees and Asylum beneficiaries.
I don't know about family of Non-EEA Citizen (green card holder) or
Non-EEA Citizen (work permit holder)
European Court of JusticeEuropean Court of Justice wrote: A national of a non-Member State who is the member of the family of a
Community national exercising his right of freedom of movement cannot
be equated with a national of a non-Member State without that family tie;
on the contrary, that national of a non-Member State is the beneficiary of
derived rights under Community law and thus enjoys the same rights of
entry into and residence in the territory of another Member State as a
Community national.
Needless to say, when he got post-nuptial citizenship removed, he neverMinister For Justice wrote: The termination of the post-nuptial citizenship scheme will not
adversely affect the situation of non-national spouses in terms, for
example, of their joining their Irish spouses in this State. There are well
established immigration procedures which secure the admission of
non-national spouses of Irish nationals
The present immigration arrangements recognise the special position
of non-national spouses of Irish citizens. Such spouses, regardless of
their nationality, There are no immigration limitations operating to inhibit
non-national spouses seeking to come to the State.
In the immigration and residence Bill which is being drafted in the
Department at present to replace the entirely outdated and inadvisedly
named Aliens Act and its associated orders with a modern and sensible
code of immigration law, the immigration status of non-national spouses
of Irish citizens will be reaffirmed.
Spot on!acme4242 wrote:What you are seeing is a Fianna Fáil strategy started by John O'Donoghue and finished now by Ahern, to remove rights.
Needless to say, when he got post-nuptial citizenship removed, he never
reaffirmed the procedures which secure the admission of non-national spouses of Irish nationals.
Dermot Ahern will now remove doubt.
I don't really understand why they hate Irish Citizens who marry foreigners.
Read on the board that there is a protest infront of the dail the very day this bill is up for debate. DoJ already crushed Irish spouses now there will be more and more draconian measure be introduced especially for EU Fam & asylum cases. It's all to score some political points as we see it all across europe, when the going gets tough for the governments, they turn to the most vulnerable in the society "IMMIGRANTS". Play fear card to stir up the locals and blow things out of proportion to score votes.So the 2010 bill is due for debate this Wednesday
