Tier1 Ent to ILR Job Creation query

CULLINAN · Post by **CULLINAN** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:26 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Tue May 28, 2019 9:25 pm
Hi Tier1 4117,

Firstly congrats on approval of your ILR. You have mentioned in your post that you have sent 2 months extra FPS, How did you do that. For example My Visa finishes in week Begining of July 2019 and I am planning to go for for ILR application in First week of July.

SO Can i send FPS for July and August2019?

A) Is it possible to send 2 months ahead FPS?

B) If possible will HO take those extra 2 months into consideration? as the Visa have already finished in July.

Kindly advise.

Thanks in Advance.

Thank you.

You can send any documents later on and HO will consider that BEFORE a decision is made. Most likely if you apply in July your application will take a couple months to be processed - Tier 1 Ent ILR is taking around minimum 4 months to be processed these days.
I applied on 1st Jan 2019. I sent my (Jan 2019) FPS on 15th Feb 2019 and sent Feb 2019 FPS on 1st March 2019 (I was just double minded if I should send as I already met the requirements but cz my monthly salary slips showed 120 hours and 150 hours, I decided to send extra one month on 15th Feb 2019 and another extra month on 1st March 2019 just to be on the safe side).

Both documents were considered by the CW and they actually returned me the docs with the approval letter.

If you apply in July 2019 you can generate an early FPS for July 2019 or you can send by end of the month. Similarly you can send FPS for Aug 2019 in end of Aug 2019 if your payslips also show 120 hours.

Any docs you send before a decision is made will be considered. Attach a cover letter, mention your Case ID and post with special delivery to:

Tier 1 ILR
Po Box 3468
Sheffield
S3 8WA

Note: My accountant also provided me with a weekly breakup of employee hours and I submitted that with my application which showed exactly that my employees worked 30 hours/week.

mohsensari · Post by **mohsensari** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:54 pm

Hi Tier1 4117,
As I remember you’ve sent your extra documents to both addresses ( the old one and new one). Have you received back all the documents which you sent?

CULLINAN · Post by **CULLINAN** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:58 pm

mohsensari wrote: ↑
Tue May 28, 2019 11:54 pm
Hi Tier1 4117,
As I remember you’ve sent your extra documents to both addresses ( the old one and new one). Have you received back all the documents which you sent?

Yes. The ones I sent to Durham address had a note on the top with a pen to be sent to Sheffield(whoever received that at Durham address sent it to Sheffield then via HO internal mail). But I did not take any chances and sent again to the correct Sheffield address later on. All documents were returned to me (Durham plus Sheffield address one).

aman90 · Post by **aman90** » Wed May 29, 2019 12:49 am

JOB 1:E10+E4
JOB 2: E1+E3+E7

ssilr · Post by **ssilr** » Wed May 29, 2019 12:00 pm

You can send any documents later on and HO will consider that BEFORE a decision is made. Most likely if you apply in July your application will take a couple months to be processed - Tier 1 Ent ILR is taking around minimum 4 months to be processed these days.
I applied on 1st Jan 2019. I sent my (Jan 2019) FPS on 15th Feb 2019 and sent Feb 2019 FPS on 1st March 2019 (I was just double minded if I should send as I already met the requirements but cz my monthly salary slips showed 120 hours and 150 hours, I decided to send extra one month on 15th Feb 2019 and another extra month on 1st March 2019 just to be on the safe side).

Both documents were considered by the CW and they actually returned me the docs with the approval letter.

If you apply in July 2019 you can generate an early FPS for July 2019 or you can send by end of the month. Similarly you can send FPS for Aug 2019 in end of Aug 2019 if your payslips also show 120 hours.

Any docs you send before a decision is made will be considered. Attach a cover letter, mention your Case ID and post with special delivery to:

Tier 1 ILR
Po Box 3468
Sheffield
S3 8WA

Note: My accountant also provided me with a weekly breakup of employee hours and I submitted that with my application which showed exactly that my employees worked 30 hours/week.

Hi Tier1417,

Thanks for your reply and info.

Its good to know that they consider the docs sent before a decision is made. It would be beneficial to me I guess as two of my employees who are working a minimum 130 hours/month will finish their one year by Sept2019. Then I wouldnt need to rely on combining PT'ers to make FT JOB.

Senior members please confirm Is my arguement is correct? And can I rely on this.

Thanks

marcnath · Post by **marcnath** » Wed May 29, 2019 12:20 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Tue May 28, 2019 9:15 pm
Hi Friends,

Sorry for the late reply. I have been very busy with the business and was an other hectic day.

Thanks Marcnath and Aman for your responses. I have finally managed a way to upload my emp table. Below is the Url link which shows the image of my emp table.

I would request Marcnath & Aman and other senior members to kindly click on the below link which will open a page in new window where you can see the image of the emp table. You dont need to download anything just a click.

Also please let me know if the link is wroking for you.

Emp table

I have given all the employees names with E and a letter for a better understanding for all.

Joining date of a employee is the month where the hours start. For example E1J Joined in June 2018. E9B Joined in April2019.

I have mentioned when a emp left the job in that particular month. For example E1J Resigned in Nov2018, E2P resigned in Jan2019. E8D resigned in Jan2019 and joined back to business from March 2019.

Currently E3V,E4K,E5A,E7T,E8D,E9B are still continuing in business.
Assuming E3V,E4K,E5A,E8D, work 130hours/ month for MAY ,JUNE where as the remaining above employees work less than 130 hours in a month.

Will I suffice the Job requirement criteria?

Marcnath and Aman please give me your responses.

Thanks in Advance.

Create individual tables for each job. That makes it clearer for the CW

ssilr · Post by **ssilr** » Wed May 29, 2019 12:29 pm

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[quote=aman90 post_id=1785928 time=1559090995 user_id=119442]
JOB 1:E10+E4
JOB 2: E1+E3+E7
[/quote]

Hi Aman,

Thanks for your response. A small correction E4K Joined business in Sep2018 so there is a gap in Aug 2018 for him. So I guess E1J + E4K should suffice for Job1.

Job 2
E2P + E3V + E5A.

Also Aman according to you have I sufficed the job creation? I hope there is no more ambiguity. What do you say?

Thanks.

ssilr · Post by **ssilr** » Wed May 29, 2019 12:51 pm

Create individual tables for each job. That makes it clearer for the CW

Hi Marcnath,

Thanks for your response.
I have created a table for two jobs. Kindly click on the below link to see the table.

https://i.postimg.cc/C525wB7j/job.png

Please let me know if I have sufficed the job requirement.

Thanks.

marcnath · Post by **marcnath** » Wed May 29, 2019 1:05 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 12:51 pm

Create individual tables for each job. That makes it clearer for the CW

Hi Marcnath,

Thanks for your response.
I have created a table for two jobs. Kindly click on the below link to see the table.

https://i.postimg.cc/C525wB7j/job.png

Please let me know if I have sufficed the job requirement.

Thanks.

You seem to have done way more than the minimum requirements.

aman90 · Post by **aman90** » Wed May 29, 2019 1:08 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 12:29 pm

Thanks for your response. A small correction E4K Joined business in Sep2018 so there is a gap in Aug 2018 for him. So I guess E1J + E4K should suffice for Job1.

Job 2
E2P + E3V + E5A.

Also Aman according to you have I sufficed the job creation? I hope there is no more ambiguity. What do you say?

Thanks.

You seemed to have been qualifying from ur first post as well.. you confused the situation by mentioning too many employees and then 8 part time employees against 6 months with them performing full time hours.

No. The gap makes no difference. I explained earlier that the jobs don’t need to be performed consecutively.

1. E10+E4= 10 months (june-April) + May + June

2. E3+E7=10 months (july -April) + May + June
or
3. E1+E3+E7=11 months(june-April)+ May

1 & 2 is preferable.. one less employee info.

Now this is assuming they all started first day of month and left last day.

aman90 · Post by **aman90** » Wed May 29, 2019 1:08 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 12:29 pm

Thanks for your response. A small correction E4K Joined business in Sep2018 so there is a gap in Aug 2018 for him. So I guess E1J + E4K should suffice for Job1.

Job 2
E2P + E3V + E5A.

Also Aman according to you have I sufficed the job creation? I hope there is no more ambiguity. What do you say?

Thanks.

You seemed to have been qualifying from ur first post as well.. you confused the situation by mentioning too many employees and then 8 part time employees against 6 months with them performing full time hours.

No. The gap makes no difference. I explained earlier that the jobs don’t need to be performed consecutively.

1. E10+E4= 10 months (june-April) + May + June

2. E3+E7=10 months (july -April) + May + June
or
3. E1+E3+E7=11 months(june-April)+ May

1 & 2 is preferable.. one less employee info.

Now this is assuming they all started first day of month and left last day.

aman90 · Post by **aman90** » Wed May 29, 2019 1:17 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 12:00 pm

Its good to know that they consider the docs sent before a decision is made. It would be beneficial to me I guess as two of my employees who are working a minimum 130 hours/month will finish their one year by Sept2019. Then I wouldnt need to rely on combining PT'ers to make FT JOB.

Senior members please confirm Is my arguement is correct? And can I rely on this.

It’s possible. It should work as the 12 month required job creation after ext should include the time after application as ur still continuing under Tier1 conditions..

ssilr · Post by **ssilr** » Wed May 29, 2019 1:54 pm

aman90 wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 1:08 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 12:29 pm

Thanks for your response. A small correction E4K Joined business in Sep2018 so there is a gap in Aug 2018 for him. So I guess E1J + E4K should suffice for Job1.

Job 2
E2P + E3V + E5A.

Also Aman according to you have I sufficed the job creation? I hope there is no more ambiguity. What do you say?

Thanks.
You seemed to have been qualifying from ur first post as well.. you confused the situation by mentioning too many employees and then 8 part time employees against 6 months with them performing full time hours.

No. The gap makes no difference. I explained earlier that the jobs don’t need to be performed consecutively.

1. E10+E4= 10 months (june-April) + May + June

2. E3+E7=10 months (july -April) + May + June
or
3. E1+E3+E7=11 months(june-April)+ May

1 & 2 is preferable.. one less employee info.

Now this is assuming they all started first day of month and left last day.

Hi Aman,

Thanks for your response. Sorry for initially confusing.
I have a sigh of releif

now that job creation is sufficed. Now I can start getting the docs ready and concentrate on other aspects of application.

Aman I did read in the guidance it said that the job doesn't need to be Consecutive' for transitional arrangements,does it applies for Non-Transitional applicants? I might be wrong as I have read it few months back. So only just double checking.

Just rang my Accountant got the info. Start & end date of E10 is 16/05/18 - 28/07/18. and for E1 16/05/18-18/11/18.
E4 start date is 16/08/18- Continuing
E3 start date is 16/06/18-Continuing
E7 start date is 15/07/18- Continuing

Aman please let me know if it is fine.

Also to mention E10 British Pass port is expired in 2014 and I have the copy of Expired passport only. Would this be an issue?

Marcnath could you also please take a look and confirm am I in the right path.

Thanks

CULLINAN · Post by **CULLINAN** » Wed May 29, 2019 4:11 pm

As far as I know there is no requirement for jobs to be continuous. As long each job has existed 12 months after extension you are fine.
Marcnath and Aman are experts in job combinations

aman90 · Post by **aman90** » Wed May 29, 2019 4:14 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 1:54 pm

aman90 wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 1:08 pm
1. E10+E4= 10 months (june-April) + May + June

2. E3+E7=10 months (july -April) + May + June
or
3. E1+E3+E7=11 months(june-April)+ May

1 & 2 is preferable.. one less employee info.

Now this is assuming they all started first day of month and left last day.

Aman I did read in the guidance it said that the job doesn't need to be Consecutive' for transitional arrangements,does it applies for Non-Transitional applicants? I might be wrong as I have read it few months back. So only just double checking.

Incorrect.. Read again!

Also to mention E10 British Pass port is expired in 2014 and I have the copy of Expired passport only. Would this be an issue?

No

aman90 · Post by **aman90** » Wed May 29, 2019 4:51 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 1:54 pm

aman90 wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 1:08 pm

1. E10+E4= 10 months (june-April) + May + June

2. E3+E7=10 months (july -April) + May + June
or
3. E1+E3+E7=11 months(june-April)+ May

1 & 2 is preferable.. one less employee info.

Now this is assuming they all started first day of month and left last day.
Start & end date:

Extension approval date: July 2017

Job1

E10:
16/05/18 - 28/07/18.

E4:
16/08/18- Continuing
——————
Job 2

E1:
16/05/18-18/11/18.

E3:
16/06/18-Continuing

E7:
15/07/18- Continuing

Yes it looks fine.

From the monthly data u provided:

Payslips:

Job 1:
E10- May, June, July 18
Replaced by
E4- Sept - continuing ensuring 130 hrs are met over May and June plus July 19

Job2:

E1- June

Replaced by/OR just

E3- July- April- continuing
Combined with ensuring 130hrs met May & June 19
E7- Sept- April- continuing.

Draw a table around this..

ssilr · Post by **ssilr** » Wed May 29, 2019 9:37 pm

aman90 wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 4:51 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 1:54 pm

aman90 wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 1:08 pm

1. E10+E4= 10 months (june-April) + May + June

2. E3+E7=10 months (july -April) + May + June
or
3. E1+E3+E7=11 months(june-April)+ May

1 & 2 is preferable.. one less employee info.

Now this is assuming they all started first day of month and left last day.
Start & end date:

Extension approval date: July 2017

Job1

E10:
16/05/18 - 28/07/18.

E4:
16/08/18- Continuing
——————
Job 2

E1:
16/05/18-18/11/18.

E3:
16/06/18-Continuing

E7:
15/07/18- Continuing

Yes it looks fine.

From the monthly data u provided:

Payslips:

Job 1:
E10- May, June, July 18
Replaced by
E4- Sept - continuing ensuring 130 hrs are met over May and June plus July 19

Job2:

E1- June

Replaced by/OR just

E3- July- April- continuing
Combined with ensuring 130hrs met May & June 19
E7- Sept- April- continuing.

Draw a table around this..

Hi Aman,

Thanks for your response. I have created 2 tables with different scenarios Table1, Table2.

Please click the link below to view.
https://i.postimg.cc/T3XnGDhV/job3.png

I am prefering to go with Table2 for the reason it is 12 months continuos employment in this scenario and falls in line with my planned application date July first week.

Job1 E1 + E4

Job2 E3 + E5 +E7

Aman & Marcnath please give me your views on the above so that I can make a final conclusion on this.
I want to share some more info once we conclude this as I dont want to confuse on this job creation matter.

Thanks in Advance.

ssilr · Post by **ssilr** » Wed May 29, 2019 9:41 pm

tier11417 wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 4:11 pm
As far as I know there is no requirement for jobs to be continuous. As long each job has existed 12 months after extension you are fine.
Marcnath and Aman are experts in job combinations

Thanks Tier1417 for your response.

Once I am done with Job creation queries, will request info from you regarding Application form queries as you have recently applied and got approval.

Thanks in Advance.

aman90 · Post by **aman90** » Wed May 29, 2019 10:13 pm

It’s ur call.. you have enough employment to cover the hours and choose whatever makes more sense to you and can justify.

CULLINAN · Post by **CULLINAN** » Thu May 30, 2019 12:39 am

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 9:41 pm

tier11417 wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 4:11 pm
As far as I know there is no requirement for jobs to be continuous. As long each job has existed 12 months after extension you are fine.
Marcnath and Aman are experts in job combinations
Thanks Tier1417 for your response.

Once I am done with Job creation queries, will request info from you regarding Application form queries as you have recently applied and got approval.

Thanks in Advance.

Sure would love to help.

ssilr · Post by **ssilr** » Thu May 30, 2019 10:31 pm

aman90 wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 10:13 pm
It’s ur call.. you have enough employment to cover the hours and choose whatever makes more sense to you and can justify.

Hi Aman,

Thanks for your response.

I will go ahead with what I thought then.

Now the challenge for me is to how to present my Job creation scenario in application form?

Any guidance is much appreciated.

Thanks

ssilr · Post by **ssilr** » Thu May 30, 2019 10:35 pm

tier11417 wrote: ↑
Thu May 30, 2019 12:39 am

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 9:41 pm

tier11417 wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 4:11 pm
As far as I know there is no requirement for jobs to be continuous. As long each job has existed 12 months after extension you are fine.
Marcnath and Aman are experts in job combinations
Thanks Tier1417 for your response.

Once I am done with Job creation queries, will request info from you regarding Application form queries as you have recently applied and got approval.

Thanks in Advance.
Sure would love to help.

Hi Tier11417,

Thanks for your warm gesture and willingness to help much appreciated.

What are the docs needed for the application also I have 2 dependents with me are there any specific requirements for dependants application?

Do the dependent applications need to be applied seperately from Main Applicant?

Please let me know.

Thanks

CULLINAN · Post by **CULLINAN** » Thu May 30, 2019 10:38 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Thu May 30, 2019 10:35 pm

tier11417 wrote: ↑
Thu May 30, 2019 12:39 am

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 9:41 pm

tier11417 wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 4:11 pm
As far as I know there is no requirement for jobs to be continuous. As long each job has existed 12 months after extension you are fine.
Marcnath and Aman are experts in job combinations
Thanks Tier1417 for your response.

Once I am done with Job creation queries, will request info from you regarding Application form queries as you have recently applied and got approval.

Thanks in Advance.
Sure would love to help.
Hi Tier11417,

Thanks for your warm gesture and willingness to help much appreciated.

What are the docs needed for the application also I have 2 dependents with me are there any specific requirements for dependants application?

Do the dependent applications need to be applied seperately from Main Applicant?

Please let me know.

Thanks

Are your dependents applying PBS extension or ILR?

Refer to:
indefinite-leave-to-remain/tier-1-ent-a ... 81140.html

aman90 · Post by **aman90** » Fri May 31, 2019 12:27 am

ssilr wrote: ↑
Thu May 30, 2019 10:31 pm

aman90 wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 10:13 pm
It’s ur call.. you have enough employment to cover the hours and choose whatever makes more sense to you and can justify.
Hi Aman,

Thanks for your response.

I will go ahead with what I thought then.

Now the challenge for me is to how to present my Job creation scenario in application form?

Any guidance is much appreciated.

Thanks

If ur sure about what you thought then it shouldn’t be a challenge...
Start filling out the form now.. you’ll figure it out.

ssilr · Post by **ssilr** » Fri May 31, 2019 10:41 am

tier11417 wrote: ↑
Thu May 30, 2019 10:38 pm

ssilr wrote: ↑
Thu May 30, 2019 10:35 pm

tier11417 wrote: ↑
Thu May 30, 2019 12:39 am

ssilr wrote: ↑
Wed May 29, 2019 9:41 pm

Thanks Tier1417 for your response.

Once I am done with Job creation queries, will request info from you regarding Application form queries as you have recently applied and got approval.

Thanks in Advance.
Sure would love to help.
Hi Tier11417,

Thanks for your warm gesture and willingness to help much appreciated.

What are the docs needed for the application also I have 2 dependents with me are there any specific requirements for dependants application?

Do the dependent applications need to be applied seperately from Main Applicant?

Please let me know.

Thanks
Are your dependents applying PBS extension or ILR?

Refer to:
indefinite-leave-to-remain/tier-1-ent-a ... 81140.html

Hi Tier11417,

Thanks for your response.

they are PBS dependents extension.

Thanks

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