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INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

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Alixlboy
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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Alixlboy » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:53 pm

Applied for FOI today.

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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by 5121472 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:02 pm

My application is also pending approval. It s crazy the way they are running the immigration department..

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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Alixlboy » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:05 pm

5121472 wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:02 pm
My application is also pending approval. It s crazy the way they are running the immigration department..
Can you please share your timeline with us?

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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by iibdii » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:05 am

I have couple of friends waiting 3+ years with no approval.
I myself in a durable relationship, 9 years old and child of 5 but because we did not register our marriage im not even allowed to apply for citizenship.
So same like Pakistan, Ireland doesn't treat cohabiting with long term partner is a legit relationship. My daughter got her first irish passport in 2/3 weeks and just applied by post

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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by Alixlboy » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:55 am

iibdii wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:05 am
I have couple of friends waiting 3+ years with no approval.
I myself in a durable relationship, 9 years old and child of 5 but because we did not register our marriage im not even allowed to apply for citizenship.
So same like Pakistan, Ireland doesn't treat cohabiting with long term partner is a legit relationship. My daughter got her first irish passport in 2/3 weeks and just applied by post
Were you on a De Facto Relationship Stamp 4 by any chance?

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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by littlerr » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:54 pm

iibdii wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:05 am
I have couple of friends waiting 3+ years with no approval.
I myself in a durable relationship, 9 years old and child of 5 but because we did not register our marriage im not even allowed to apply for citizenship.
So same like Pakistan, Ireland doesn't treat cohabiting with long term partner is a legit relationship. My daughter got her first irish passport in 2/3 weeks and just applied by post
You are in Northern Ireland so the UK rules apply to you, not the Irish rules.

As a special rule, Ireland allows naturalisation for spouses of Irish nationals living in Northern Ireland as part of Good Friday Agreement. You apparently do not fall into this category.

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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by pissedoffbyinis » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:10 pm

masterboy123 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:06 pm
I don't mean to piss you, but actually leaving no public trace could be a negative factor. :|
A work history and paying taxes is always considered to be helpful.
pissedoffbyinis wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 pm
Applied in mid 2017 and still waiting.... a house wife and never worked in Pakistan nor in Ireland.. no driving history ... what checks they have to carry out?? the whole process is hilarious :)
That's not the way to read my post... it was a spousal dependent visa and that visa owner has NO right to work. My husband was on work visa and has Irish citizenship for 18 months now. How come one can have tax payment when there is no right to work.

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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by pissedoffbyinis » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:11 pm

gsvzla wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:43 pm
masterboy123 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:06 pm
I don't mean to piss you, but actually leaving no public trace could be a negative factor. :|
A work history and paying taxes is always considered to be helpful.
pissedoffbyinis wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 pm
Applied in mid 2017 and still waiting.... a house wife and never worked in Pakistan nor in Ireland.. no driving history ... what checks they have to carry out?? the whole process is hilarious :)
Correct. If anything, that probably negatively affected you, as I'm assuming the government needs to make sure you can be self sufficient in terms of job, etc. And probably not having a work/taxes record could have been seen as a bad thing as they have less evidence to try and understand your character.

As other people here have said, citizenship is not a right a we have no entitlement to it. I believe that from the INIS perspective is a matter of "if you don't like then just leave" as they don't have to give anyone citizenship if they don't want to or feel it will benefit the country.

And not to sound rude, but if you don't have a working history or a job that makes you pay taxes in Ireland then to them your contribution is not as significant as someone who does have those things and maybe that's also a reason your application has taken a bit longer.

This of course is all my opinion, as you never know with these public offices. For all we know your file got lost in a pile and the delay has nothing to do with you out your history.

That's not the way to read my post... it was a spousal dependent visa and that visa owner has NO right to work. My husband was on work visa and has Irish citizenship for 18 months now. How come one can have tax payment when there is no right to work.

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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by pissedoffbyinis » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:13 pm

Alixlboy wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:40 pm
masterboy123 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:06 pm
I don't mean to piss you, but actually leaving no public trace could be a negative factor. :|
A work history and paying taxes is always considered to be helpful.
pissedoffbyinis wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 pm
Applied in mid 2017 and still waiting.... a house wife and never worked in Pakistan nor in Ireland.. no driving history ... what checks they have to carry out?? the whole process is hilarious :)
Were you on a stamp 3 dependant visa by any chance? I know stamp 3 holders are not allowed to work on their own.
You are exactly right... its Stamp 3 spousal dependent visa with no right to work.

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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by 5121472 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:44 pm

Alixlboy wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:05 pm
5121472 wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:02 pm
My application is also pending approval. It s crazy the way they are running the immigration department..
Can you please share your timeline with us?
Applied in 2018 and it has been more than one year now at this stage.

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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by 5121472 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:47 pm

pissedoffbyinis wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:13 pm
Alixlboy wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:40 pm
masterboy123 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:06 pm
I don't mean to piss you, but actually leaving no public trace could be a negative factor. :|
A work history and paying taxes is always considered to be helpful.
pissedoffbyinis wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 pm
Applied in mid 2017 and still waiting.... a house wife and never worked in Pakistan nor in Ireland.. no driving history ... what checks they have to carry out?? the whole process is hilarious :)
Were you on a stamp 3 dependant visa by any chance? I know stamp 3 holders are not allowed to work on their own.
You are exactly right... its Stamp 3 spousal dependent visa with no right to work.
They really have no excuse whatsoever to delay you application for so long then.
I was talking to an indian colleague of mine today who said her friends got approval in just 3 months in the past and they were also dependent on their husbands. Unbelievable!
She has also applied recently and is quite hopeful but I told her about the unreasonable delays that can be easily avoided by INIS but only if they have really want to do so.

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Re: INIS treating Pakistanis and Africans differently?

Post by markem » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:32 pm

5121472 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:44 pm
Alixlboy wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:05 pm
Can you please share your timeline with us?
Applied in 2018 and it has been more than one year now at this stage.
It would be helpful to others if you could share a little more detail in the 2018 timeline thread.
Timeline threads here:
2020 /
2019 / 2018 / 2017 / 2016

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