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Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by alex132 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:29 pm

I am wondering when can I apply ILR. I know that it is 28 dys before complete 5 years of Tier 2.
My Tier 2 expired after 5 years is on 25th November 2020.
I can start apply on 1st November 2020 (28 days before 25th November 2020), i am wonder how long the decision will make as my Tier 2 visa going to expired and i do not have the right to work in UK.

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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by AmazonianX » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:00 pm

alex132 wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:29 pm
I am wondering when can I apply ILR. I know that it is 28 dys before complete 5 years of Tier 2.
My Tier 2 expired after 5 years is on 25th November 2020.
I can start apply on 1st November 2020 (28 days before 25th November 2020), i am wonder how long the decision will make as my Tier 2 visa going to expired and i do not have the right to work in UK.
You are Ok if you plan applying on 1st November. So far you submit your application before expiration of current leave i.e. before 25.11.2020 then you are Ok. No matter how long the processing takes, you still have same rights as was conferred on you by your previous valid leave under Section 3C and this means you retain your right to work till the outcome of your application.
Fret not, you WILL have right to work so far you make the application in time.

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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by CULLINAN » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:14 pm

alex132 wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:29 pm
I am wondering when can I apply ILR. I know that it is 28 dys before complete 5 years of Tier 2.
My Tier 2 expired after 5 years is on 25th November 2020.
I can start apply on 1st November 2020 (28 days before 25th November 2020), i am wonder how long the decision will make as my Tier 2 visa going to expired and i do not have the right to work in UK.
You can apply only when you complete 5 years minus 28 days counting from initial visa issue date. The date of application is the date you pay and apply online. Biometrics date is irrelevant. Once you apply in time i.e. after you qualify and before visa expiry, you will be covered by Section 3c as mentioned by the previous member. Your employer will be able to carry out an ECS check once you provide your employer with the UAN. It will come back fine. The ECS check will be valid for 6 months before the employer needs to carry it out again.
Tier 2 can take 2 weeks to 6 months on standard route. Many recent applicants are receiving ILR via Tier 2 within 2-4 weeks. Having said that, it may take longer also.
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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by seagul » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:15 pm

alex132 wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:29 pm
I am wondering when can I apply ILR. I know that it is 28 dys before complete 5 years of Tier 2.
My Tier 2 expired after 5 years is on 25th November 2020.
You can even use the date of the issuance of first tier 2 visa in calculating your 5 years minus 28 days, and the same may enable you to even apply earlier than on 1st November 2020. Also, until the positive outcome of your application, you will still be tied up with your tier 2 sponsor despite the section 3c will be engaged.
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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by alex132 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:14 pm

Thanks for all your reply. I appreciate it.

If i want to open a bank account, my Tier 2 BRP will be expired that time i am in the process of ILR.
Also, i cannot travel outside of UK until i receive a ILR decision?

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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by CULLINAN » Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:17 pm

alex132 wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:14 pm
Thanks for all your reply. I appreciate it.

If i want to open a bank account, my Tier 2 BRP will be expired that time i am in the process of ILR.
Also, i cannot travel outside of UK until i receive a ILR decision?
For a new bank account opening you should open before visa expiry, otherwise you will have to wait and yes you can not travel outside UK after you apply and till a decision is made. If you do, your application will be withdrawn.
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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by alex132 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:29 pm

CULLINAN wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:14 pm
alex132 wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:29 pm
I am wondering when can I apply ILR. I know that it is 28 dys before complete 5 years of Tier 2.
My Tier 2 expired after 5 years is on 25th November 2020.
I can start apply on 1st November 2020 (28 days before 25th November 2020), i am wonder how long the decision will make as my Tier 2 visa going to expired and i do not have the right to work in UK.
You can apply only when you complete 5 years minus 28 days counting from initial visa issue date. The date of application is the date you pay and apply online. Biometrics date is irrelevant. Once you apply in time i.e. after you qualify and before visa expiry, you will be covered by Section 3c as mentioned by the previous member. Your employer will be able to carry out an ECS check once you provide your employer with the UAN. It will come back fine. The ECS check will be valid for 6 months before the employer needs to carry it out again.
Tier 2 can take 2 weeks to 6 months on standard route. Many recent applicants are receiving ILR via Tier 2 within 2-4 weeks. Having said that, it may take longer also.

Thanks a lot for your reply.

Can you share the link for Section 3c
And also what is ECS emplyee....
UAN

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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by CULLINAN » Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:30 pm

ECS
https://www.gov.uk/employee-immigration ... ent-status

UAN is Unique Application Number. You will get it after you apply.

Section 3C
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 9.0ext.pdf
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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by alex132 » Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:05 pm

Thanks. Do you have any idea this question?

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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by CR001 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:01 am

How do you qualify for ilr based in 5 years residence on tier 2 if you only switched to tier 2 this year from tier 4???

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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by alex132 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:53 pm

CR001 wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:01 am
How do you qualify for ilr based in 5 years residence on tier 2 if you only switched to tier 2 this year from tier 4???

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I am preparing for next 5 years. (Am I allow to ask this question in this board? I do not want to get ban. I just want to prepare myself ahead)

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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by CR001 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:58 pm

You should ask your questions when you are near the qualifying period to apply. The immigration rules change frequently, so what is relevant now, is unlikely to be relevant in 5 years time, especially as the new pbs route from January immigration rules haven't been published yet.
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Re: Tier 2 to ILR route

Post by alex132 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:51 pm

Thanks.
I need to make sure I did not away from UK too frequent in coming 5 years times.
Thanks for your information.

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Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by alex132 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:49 pm

It said:
After 5 years of continuous residence in the UK, you may be eligible to apply for ILR if you meet the qualifying criteria at the time of application. Any consecutive period of absence outside of the UK of over 180 days or absences totalling more than 180 days from the UK in any 12 month rolling period preceding the date of the application for ILR, counted from the date of application, will be considered a break in residence and will impact your ability to apply for ILR.

Let say I away from UK below:
T2 Visa granted: 01-01-2020
Outside UK: 01-02-2020 to 01-03-2020 (30 days)
Outside UK: 01-04-2020 to 01-09-2020 (150 days)

Is this consider as 180days absence in total?

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Re: Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by CR001 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:58 pm

alex132 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:49 pm
It said:
After 5 years of continuous residence in the UK, you may be eligible to apply for ILR if you meet the qualifying criteria at the time of application. Any consecutive period of absence outside of the UK of over 180 days or absences totalling more than 180 days from the UK in any 12 month rolling period preceding the date of the application for ILR, counted from the date of application, will be considered a break in residence and will impact your ability to apply for ILR.

Let say I away from UK below:
T2 Visa granted: 01-01-2020
Outside UK: 01-02-2020 to 01-03-2020 (30 days)
Outside UK: 01-04-2020 to 01-09-2020 (150 days)

Is this consider as 180days absence in total?
Yes, any absence of 180 days in any 12 month rolling period is a break in continuous Residence and you won't be eligible for ILR, as the rules are now!!!
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Re: Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by alex132 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:14 pm

CR001 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:58 pm
alex132 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:49 pm
It said:
After 5 years of continuous residence in the UK, you may be eligible to apply for ILR if you meet the qualifying criteria at the time of application. Any consecutive period of absence outside of the UK of over 180 days or absences totalling more than 180 days from the UK in any 12 month rolling period preceding the date of the application for ILR, counted from the date of application, will be considered a break in residence and will impact your ability to apply for ILR.

Let say I away from UK below:
T2 Visa granted: 01-01-2020
Outside UK: 01-02-2020 to 01-03-2020 (30 days)
Outside UK: 01-04-2020 to 01-09-2020 (150 days)

Is this consider as 180days absence in total?
Yes, any absence of 180 days in any 12 month rolling period is a break in continuous Residence and you won't be eligible for ILR, as the rules are now!!!

so my 180 days absence is calculated in 12 months rolling period. It does not matter weather you are taking 150 days first, then back UK, stay for 2 months, and take another 30 days absence UK.

It calculated as total. Am I correct?

And the 12 months rolling, is calculated as the visa granted date for 1 year.
For example:
T2 visa granted: 02-02-2020, so 12 months, rolling as TOTAL 180 days until 01-02-2021.
Am I correct?

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Re: Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by CR001 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:20 pm

It is 180 days in ANY 12 month rolling period, regardless of visa issue date or date of ILR application.
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Re: Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by alex132 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:26 pm

CR001 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:20 pm
It is 180 days in ANY 12 month rolling period, regardless of visa issue date or date of ILR application.

Sorry for asking, is a bit confusing.

12 month rolling period, regardless of visa use date.
so it calculated start from 01-01-2020 to 31-12-2020 (12 months, total absence my less than 180 days), and then 01-01-2021 to 31-12-2021 (12 months).

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Re: Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by AmazonianX » Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:59 pm

alex132 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:26 pm
CR001 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:20 pm
It is 180 days in ANY 12 month rolling period, regardless of visa issue date or date of ILR application.

Sorry for asking, is a bit confusing.

12 month rolling period, regardless of visa use date.
so it calculated start from 01-01-2020 to 31-12-2020 (12 months, total absence my less than 180 days), and then 01-01-2021 to 31-12-2021 (12 months).
Alex132, pick any date of the year and the next 364/5 days that makes it a year is what is referred to as rolling period.
Not the set year start to year end as your example above.

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Re: Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by alex132 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:10 pm

AmazonianX wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:59 pm
alex132 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:26 pm
CR001 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:20 pm
It is 180 days in ANY 12 month rolling period, regardless of visa issue date or date of ILR application.

Sorry for asking, is a bit confusing.

12 month rolling period, regardless of visa use date.
so it calculated start from 01-01-2020 to 31-12-2020 (12 months, total absence my less than 180 days), and then 01-01-2021 to 31-12-2021 (12 months).
Alex132, pick any date of the year and the next 364/5 days that makes it a year is what is referred to as rolling period.
Not the set year start to year end as your example above.
Noted, so any start date to 364/365 as 12 months.
TOTAL cannot be more than 180 days in this 12 months, am I correct?

It is calculated as total and not in one time 180 days.

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Re: Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by AmazonianX » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:23 pm

Correct.

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Re: Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by alex132 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:27 pm

I am just a bit curious.
Why the start date is not calculated as the T2 Visa granted date for the 12 months rolling?

So it I from T4 to T2, I can choice any date as start date and then + 364/365.
Will it be easier to calculated as the T2 visa granted date?

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Re: Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by CR001 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:34 pm

The absence is ONLY relevant to your time on Tier 2. So ANY absence of 180 days in ANY 12 months rolling period breaks continuity for ILR.

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Important to note that you are asking about potential ILR in 2025 only. No one on the forum can tell you what the rules will be at that time.
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Re: Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by alex132 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:46 pm

CR001 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:34 pm
The absence is ONLY relevant to your time on Tier 2. So ANY absence of 180 days in ANY 12 months rolling period breaks continuity for ILR.

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Important to note that you are asking about potential ILR in 2025 only. No one on the forum can tell you what the rules will be at that time.
Yes, correct. But if they implement new rules, they will said starting from 2021, the new rules apply.
But at this moment, T2 need understand the rules for T2 now until new rules.

So, T2 visa start date to 365/364 days, no total 180 days absence.

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Re: Total 180 days outside UK for ILR

Post by AmazonianX » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:46 pm

alex132 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:46 pm
CR001 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:34 pm
The absence is ONLY relevant to your time on Tier 2. So ANY absence of 180 days in ANY 12 months rolling period breaks continuity for ILR.

indefinite-leave-to-remain/big-changes- ... l#p1647376

Important to note that you are asking about potential ILR in 2025 only. No one on the forum can tell you what the rules will be at that time.
Yes, correct. But if they implement new rules, they will said starting from 2021, the new rules apply.
But at this moment, T2 need understand the rules for T2 now until new rules.

So, T2 visa start date to 365/364 days, no total 180 days absence.
Keep yourself informed/updated. If there is
Rule change doubt it will be retroactive so you go by the opera
Tive one at time of application while complying with previous status quo

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