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It means you just westing time so you better sent them to a high court for a quick decision otherwise you won’t get it soon , I already got a high court for my case which I applied February 2018 so now they should give me decision before 22 February it’s a court decision
never ever trust on them m waiting three year now whata statement from minister front line workers doctors & nurses what a joke everybody is front line worker who is out of his home for work in this pandemic,this immigration system is a jokePaddy1996 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:04 pmIt means you just westing time so you better sent them to a high court for a quick decision otherwise you won’t get it soon , I already got a high court for my case which I applied February 2018 so now they should give me decision before 22 February it’s a court decision
Its really sad that they are apparently unfairly treating some applicants than the others!!! Go for juridical review as I think it worked for some people who posted here.pluto1992 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:39 amI have asked my TD to ask this question in the Dail: "Among all the applicants currently in the system, what are the top 5 nationalities who have been waiting for the longest time on average for a decision. Also what is the current mean time to process for these 5 nationalities?"
I am happy for anyone who is getting approval and congrats to them. But where is the sense of fairness when people who had applied in 2018 or 2019 getting their approvals and people who had applied in 2017 or 2018 are still waiting? I know the department says "for a broad range of reasons blah blah blah", but this is all total c***p. I had applied for FOI. My application was last worked on in June 2018. Since then only action on my application is a Garda vetting certificate once a year. So far they have requested for 3 Garda vetting certificates. Of course there is nothing in them. Whats the point of this useless exercise when there is no intention to progress the application?
Yeah, it is really strange that some applications fell through for no particular reason. I have seen few situations like that on forum.pluto1992 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:39 am... I had applied for FOI. My application was last worked on in June 2018. Since then only action on my application is a Garda vetting certificate once a year. So far they have requested for 3 Garda vetting certificates. Of course there is nothing in them. Whats the point of this useless exercise when there is no intention to progress the application?
I understand your point but I dont think this department cares about SLAs or KPIs. They quietly increased the average processing time form 6 months to 12 months, no one raised a question why you increased the timeframe and where is the data to support this increase. Besides, average time means nothing. Its the mean that matters.Stanina wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:32 pmYeah, it is really strange that some applications fell through for no particular reason. I have seen few situations like that on forum.
Maybe the just got to some lazy person in the team...
Another situation that the focus more on new applications that can be completed in 6 or now12 months kpi, other that have taken longer are deprioritized as the already impacted metrics.
Just my assumptions though, it is a pity that they don't tell you reason for delay.
pluto1992 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:22 pmI understand your point but I dont think this department cares about SLAs or KPIs. They quietly increased the average processing time form 6 months to 12 months, no one raised a question why you increased the timeframe and where is the data to support this increase. Besides, average time means nothing. Its the mean that matters.Stanina wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:32 pmYeah, it is really strange that some applications fell through for no particular reason. I have seen few situations like that on forum.
Maybe the just got to some lazy person in the team...
Another situation that the focus more on new applications that can be completed in 6 or now12 months kpi, other that have taken longer are deprioritized as the already impacted metrics.
Just my assumptions though, it is a pity that they don't tell you reason for delay.
They are accumulating excuses and no one is questioning the validity of these excuses. In 2016/17 they said due to Brexit vote there is an uptick in applications due to more British nationals applying for naturalisation and processing times increases, then in 2019 they said due to the High court decision their is a backlog but I remember then minister saying that the applications are being processed continuously regardless and they were working on legislation. Now they say due to Covid there are no ceremonies therefore there is backlog, but then why did they stop issuing naturalisation certificates for children who dont need to attend ceremonies and dont need checks on character as they are children. If I work the way people in this department work, I wont survive a week in my job.
I feel that this department is a bunch of sadistic lowlifes, insult your intelligence by sending you templated emails even after 3 years, have come up with imaginary stages in the process just to keep people satisfied enough not to question their approach (or lack of it) and most people would just not question in fear that it might impact their applications negatively which in itself is illegal if true.
Rant over.
I would love to see the answer to this question! For those who aren't starting with an EU or UK passport, how many years in the average does it take to process?pluto1992 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:39 amI have asked my TD to ask this question in the Dail: "Among all the applicants currently in the system, what are the top 5 nationalities who have been waiting for the longest time on average for a decision. Also what is the current mean time to process for these 5 nationalities?"
I am happy for anyone who is getting approval and congrats to them. But where is the sense of fairness when people who had applied in 2018 or 2019 getting their approvals and people who had applied in 2017 or 2018 are still waiting? I know the department says "for a broad range of reasons blah blah blah", but this is all total c***p. I had applied for FOI. My application was last worked on in June 2018. Since then only action on my application is a Garda vetting certificate once a year. So far they have requested for 3 Garda vetting certificates. Of course there is nothing in them. Whats the point of this useless exercise when there is no intention to progress the application?
Absolutely, thats the intention. It would be a very interesting read and I'd like to see how the minister will answer this question. I am keeping an eye on Oireachtas page. It can not be a coincidence that applicants from African and Asian countries are waiting for years to get their approvals where FOI requests of some clearly show no progress being made whatsoever for years on their applications.niccim wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:08 pmI would love to see the answer to this question! For those who aren't starting with an EU or UK passport, how many years in the average does it take to process?pluto1992 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:39 amI have asked my TD to ask this question in the Dail: "Among all the applicants currently in the system, what are the top 5 nationalities who have been waiting for the longest time on average for a decision. Also what is the current mean time to process for these 5 nationalities?"
I am happy for anyone who is getting approval and congrats to them. But where is the sense of fairness when people who had applied in 2018 or 2019 getting their approvals and people who had applied in 2017 or 2018 are still waiting? I know the department says "for a broad range of reasons blah blah blah", but this is all total c***p. I had applied for FOI. My application was last worked on in June 2018. Since then only action on my application is a Garda vetting certificate once a year. So far they have requested for 3 Garda vetting certificates. Of course there is nothing in them. Whats the point of this useless exercise when there is no intention to progress the application?
I like your post, as it opened an endless discussion which might take us out of the scope of this forum, although I dont agree with you in most of the points, we all feel the reasons but we fear of the axe of the admins, your post needs a whole forum, usually admins to do keep their forums clean to avoid clashing between people, and in my opinion they might be wrong if they know that, the members are discussing things professionally and in away that get people more closer to eachother and understand people better.Just I want to say that, Martin, some people they want the european citizenship for the sake of freedom of to move, just to ease their movement to get a rest for a week from hard work, in a quiet place so as to come back with a better motivation to work which will at the end benefit for the country.Some people are not interesting in voting or politics even the natives, I dont want to say this is the only reason but I want you to think differently, I dont know about other European countries and and why they apply for an Irish citizenship you can tell us, but personally, I am very interested in the Irish nationality because it is an honour as this country is some thing different and it means a lot for me and if you offered me another European nationality I might not accept it, with my best wishes Martin.Martin74 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:39 amWhile I understand that the process is long, confusing and frustrating, let's clarify one thing. It is pretty obvious that, in the majority of the cases, the application process for EU citizens is way shorter than for non EU applicants. And it should be.
Reasons? Firstly, the EU applicants do not benefit from holding an Irish passport, except for the right to vote in Ireland. We can travel and work freely within the EU anyway.
The EU passports are amongst the top strongest in the world, which means that we do not need a visa to most of the countries in the world, including the USA. Therefore, as for EU citizens, those reasons outlined above, do not apply in the application process, or are not being considered as a reason why a person has applied for an Irish passport which results in a way faster decision. As harsh that as may sound, I believe that this is a good thing from a European point of view.
By the way, nothing is stopping you from giving back and participating in the community without an Irish passport. Again, an EU / Irish Passport is a PRIVILEGE not a right, and rightfully so. That says it all.
That being said, I wish the best of luck in the application process to all genuine applicants, and I certainly hope that we can welcome you into the European family very soon.
Good luck and all the best,
Martin
Do you have any legitimate source to clarify or back this up? Like for example official statistics for average procession times and approved and denied applications sorted by nationality. Share a link.
That's not entirely true. An Irish passport enables you to live and work in the UK, unlike any other EU passport.Martin74 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:39 amReasons? Firstly, the EU applicants do not benefit from holding an Irish passport, except for the right to vote in Ireland. We can travel and work freely within the EU anyway.
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By the way, nothing is stopping you from giving back and participating in the community without an Irish passport. Again, an EU / Irish Passport is a PRIVILEGE not a right, and rightfully so. That says it all.
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Martin
Then this is a speculation and an opinion.Martin74 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:55 am@Verona. I don't and I do need one.
My wife who is German waited 7 months to get approval in 2019.
Multiple of my colleagues at work who are EU Citizens got their approvals within a year at the longest in 2019 early 2020 while I know at least 4 people in the office who are non EU Citizens (Indians, Pakistanis) who are still waiting for approval - having applied between 2017-2019.
My neighbors who are a Polish couple got approved in 3 weeks ago having applied in early July 2020. There is plenty more that confirms what I have said in my comment I have witnessed in my nearly 19 years here in Ireland.
Martin74 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:39 amWhile I understand that the process is long, confusing and frustrating, let's clarify one thing. It is pretty obvious that, in the majority of the cases, the application process for EU citizens is way shorter than for non EU applicants. And it should be.
Reasons? Firstly, the EU applicants do not benefit from holding an Irish passport, except for the right to vote in Ireland. We can travel and work freely within the EU anyway.
The EU passports are amongst the top strongest in the world, which means that we do not need a visa to most of the countries in the world, including the USA. Therefore, as for EU citizens, those reasons outlined above, do not apply in the application process, or are not being considered as a reason why a person has applied for an Irish passport which results in a way faster decision. As harsh that as may sound, I believe that this is a good thing from a European point of view.
By the way, nothing is stopping you from giving back and participating in the community without an Irish passport. Again, an EU / Irish Passport is a PRIVILEGE not a right, and rightfully so. That says it all.
That being said, I wish the best of luck in the application process to all genuine applicants, and I certainly hope that we can welcome you into the European family very soon.
Good luck and all the best,
Martin
