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The changes are about the UK leaving the EU. The rest for those using UK immigration rules, appear to be the same as normal.secret.simon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:40 pmIs this article specific to people on the EEA route or does it have general applicability (and would be better placed in the General UK Immigration forum)?
Doubt it. We are not the US. And it will likely be the NHS getting sued, not the Home Office.
Slightly on a tangent but I think it is of cultural importance to point out that if someone is not a native speaker doesn't mean one cannot fluently and competently communicate in the relevant non-native language, whatever language that is.
From what I recall of the Act that brought in the changes to protect the NHS, the NHS staff are required to check. Their Trust gets fined if they give free treatment away to somebody who must pay and their budget is hit twice; from the fine and the cost of that treatment. By catching those who must pay, they get 150% of the NHS cost for their budget.Ap22 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:53 pmMy wife has a pending EUSS application.
Shes been in the UK 20 years, working, paying tax, nhs id etc..
My daughter is British born, British passport and birth certifcate, and so am I.
It didnt stop St Helier hospital suggesting to my wife that unless she can prove her EUSS, that all of us (yes all of us) could be charged in future.
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I suspect lots of lawsuits are going to come against the home office in the next few years with this debacle, its simply not right.
Its not intended, maybe my words should be better, i am trying to empathise with non-english speakers on the hard end of receiving this.kamoe wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:15 pmSlightly on a tangent but I think it is of cultural importance to point out that if someone is not a native speaker doesn't mean one cannot fluently and competently communicate in the relevant non-native language, whatever language that is.
While I recognize many people might be in a vulnerable situation right now where the English language is a struggle, and I sympathize with that, most long-term UK residents who are non native English speakers are perfectly capable of sorting themselves out in daily life without the "help" of a native speaker. I'm sure it was not your intention, but your comment can be perceived as very condescending.
On a related note, never praise too much someone's ability to speak English. If you must, compliment them once, and turn the page. Truth is, speaking a foreign language doesn't require anyone to be a genius, human beings are hardwired to learn to communicate, it isn't really that big a deal, and you might end up offending people if you insist too much on your amazement at their ability to do something that in reality is really straight forward. Trust me, I've seen this happening.
Sorry for the rant.
Absolutely, makes sense. Hope your wife gets her EUSS soon!Ap22 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:04 pmIts not intended, maybe my words should be better, i am trying to empathise with non-english speakers on the hard end of receiving this.kamoe wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:15 pmSlightly on a tangent but I think it is of cultural importance to point out that if someone is not a native speaker doesn't mean one cannot fluently and competently communicate in the relevant non-native language, whatever language that is.
While I recognize many people might be in a vulnerable situation right now where the English language is a struggle, and I sympathize with that, most long-term UK residents who are non native English speakers are perfectly capable of sorting themselves out in daily life without the "help" of a native speaker. I'm sure it was not your intention, but your comment can be perceived as very condescending.
On a related note, never praise too much someone's ability to speak English. If you must, compliment them once, and turn the page. Truth is, speaking a foreign language doesn't require anyone to be a genius, human beings are hardwired to learn to communicate, it isn't really that big a deal, and you might end up offending people if you insist too much on your amazement at their ability to do something that in reality is really straight forward. Trust me, I've seen this happening.
Sorry for the rant.
Ive been to enough non-english speaking countries to know myself its not easy to communicate when my first language isn't used, in a discussion with authorities it can be very intimidating, if you don't fully understand.
I’m learning more and more on this every day.JB007 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:21 pm
British citizenship or a British passport, does not mean that person can use the NHS without being billed at 150% of the NHS cost. British citizens were abusing the NHS too, by visiting the UK for free medical treatment when they should have paid. Brits also have to prove they can use the NHS without being billed. Returning Brits also have to prove they have really left the counry they had been living in.
On your other thread, your wife was advsed to still apply for the EUSS even though she did not apply by the deadline of 30 June 2021. I think the EUSS scheme opened two years ago? You also said that your EU citizens wife was not working and that she was having problems using the NHS for free.
british-citizenship/citizenship-stress- ... l#p2026344
Your wife might want to read the Confirming lawful residence section of the link above.
Are you talking about St Helier in Jersey or the hospital in Surrey? If Jersey, are you working in Jersey? Were visiting Jersey? https://www.gov.je/health/travelling/pa ... ersey.aspx
If you read the link in the first post, British citizens who reside in the UK should not be billed. That doesn't mean that they won't check to see that you really are residing in the UK.Ap22 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:57 pm
Can I ask, in regard to myself and my daughter,..
Both British born, British passport, fully British resident, and myself a higher rate paye taxpayer, upto date NI every month, for since 2003 (i lived abroad for a few years before that ), that I nor my daughter would not qualify for NHS treatment due to my wife being registered unemployed due to Covid in August 2020 and not yet having her Citizenship or EUSS ?
As this is what I raised issue with at the hospital, they were telling her that we would not get treatment either, if it was needed… I dont believe that it possibly correct, but your post has me now questioning myself ?
