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Applied: 22 Feb 2020ThirdAttempt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:21 pm
Applied: 22 Feb 2020
Documents Received: 16 March 2020
Address confirmation: 19 September 2022
I don't understand all of those words, but I think I get it.ThirdAttempt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:09 pmI tracked the “2-tuple” values of the doc received and the address confirmation.
Using excel’s network days, found the difference in days between the row above for each date pair ( -1 because it calculates business days or part thereof).
Then averaged both sides to get what queue theory mathematicians call the”servicing rate”.
Two things, first it's been the summer holidays and second, I think we are now in the middle of the "Brexit bulge" in applications. Now staff are back from their holidays and once past March processing will hopefully get back on track.GoingBackBackToEire wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:57 pmI don't understand all of those words, but I think I get it.ThirdAttempt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:09 pmI tracked the “2-tuple” values of the doc received and the address confirmation.
Using excel’s network days, found the difference in days between the row above for each date pair ( -1 because it calculates business days or part thereof).
Then averaged both sides to get what queue theory mathematicians call the”servicing rate”.
For example, in March 2022 they were approving applications received in Jan 2020.
Then in May 2022 they were approving applications received in Feb 2020.
So roughly speaking, it took them two months to clear one month of the backlog. A servicing rate of 2. Yes?
Now it's September and they're working on March 2020. That's five months to clear all the February applications. A servicing rate of 5?! Yikes!
Maybe those February applications were outliers. Looking at progress on the March 2020 applications, they started work on them on 1 Sept 2022 and now they're up to 19 Mar and it's 23 Sep. That's 23 days to clear 19 days of applications, for a 23/19 = 1.2 servicing rate. (very roughly. I'm going by eye here)
Well done! You were spot on - got the address confirmation mail early afternoon on 21 September 2022 !ThirdAttempt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:01 pmI’d been doing some metrics of my own since we entered March. They’re averaging about 1.4 business days to get through 1 day of “docs received”. I’m guessing those only occur on weekdays too. Ultimately they need that 1.4 value to be under 1 or the queue grows. It is shrinking though. It was at 1.8 a couple weeks ago and peaked about 3 back in June.
Thanks much! will update with my new dateGoingBackBackToEire wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 pmI've been wondering about this too.ThirdAttempt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:01 pmI’d been doing some metrics of my own since we entered March. They’re averaging about 1.4 business days to get through 1 day of “docs received”. I’m guessing those only occur on weekdays too. Ultimately they need that 1.4 value to be under 1 or the queue grows. It is shrinking though. It was at 1.8 a couple weeks ago and peaked about 3 back in June.
How did you calculate those 1.4 and 1.8 numbers?
BTW, I added you to the spreadsheet. mbkmbk too.
That's pretty interesting. So this puts them on pace for about 12K applications in 2022, with a 30K backlog seems they definitely need to allocate double the resources they have currently if they are going to bring times down below two years and close to the 1 - 1/12 years pre covid. Seems like they are still dealing with the passport backlog, so maybe after that is under control they can refocus to FBR.nw959 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:14 pmHey everyone! Long time lurker on this page but thought I'd share some information that I saw on Kildare St website. It looks like now immigration are approving March 2020 applications, which I believe is around the time that they closed for COVID. I would assume March would have the bulk of applications as we were no longer able to send documents (other than those who sent whilst the office was closed)
It looks like a lot of the 35k applications the FBR office have been giving is pre 2020 - assuming a lot of those are the applications with missing information as they're now approving 03.2020 & there has been around 22k applications from 2020 - March 2022!
This table was added to the Kildare St page on the 29th March 2022, thought it would give us some useful information & hope to those of us who are waiting!
Foreign Birth Registration Entries 2002-2022 (rounded to the nearest 1000)
Year Entries Year Entries
2002 9,000 2013 5,000
2003 7,000 2014 6,000
2004 5,000 2015 6,000
2005 7,000 2016 8,000
2006 4,000 2017 18,000
2007 3,000 2018 17,000
2008 9,000 2019 19,000
2009 12,000 2020 12,000
2010 9,000 2021 7,000
2011 7,000 2022 (to date) 3,000
2012 5,000
LINK FOR MORE INFO :
https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id ... %22#g845.r
The urgent inquiries email address worked pretty well for me - part of my inquiry was to ask if they could provide an update on my application, since I had heard absolutely zero about my case right from the very beginning. They confirmed receipt of my printed application and supporting documents as of the 3rd of July, 2020 and said they were currently working applications where the supporting documents were confirmed as received in March, 2020.Dalton_Trumbo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:11 pm
That's pretty interesting. So this puts them on pace for about 12K applications in 2022, with a 30K backlog seems they definitely need to allocate double the resources they have currently if they are going to bring times down below two years and close to the 1 - 1/12 years pre covid. Seems like they are still dealing with the passport backlog, so maybe after that is under control they can refocus to FBR.
When I applied in Feb 2020 the estimated time was 9 - 12 months iirc.
My main compliant with the process is they need to institute a tracker or some reliable method of contacting them or getting updates. It's an expensive and labor intensive thing to do from the applicant's side and they owe it the applicants to communicate better. IMHO.
Had the same issue posting to ROI from GB recently - taking 10 days to leave the country (or even the post office in my case) - would be much, much faster to fly to Ireland and post them there!ReturningIrish wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:31 pmThis is just a to heads-up for those applying for passports from the UK. Royal Mail took two weeks to deliver the documents from England to Dublin (they sent them via France!) and packages from Dublin take "a week too ten days to clear customs" in the UK according to Royal Mail.
Good to know you got a response on that email, prior that email was marked as only for specific scenarios (pregnant applicant, stateless child, etc).mwalsh5757 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:42 amThe urgent inquiries email address worked pretty well for me - part of my inquiry was to ask if they could provide an update on my application, since I had heard absolutely zero about my case right from the very beginning. They confirmed receipt of my printed application and supporting documents as of the 3rd of July, 2020 and said they were currently working applications where the supporting documents were confirmed as received in March, 2020.Dalton_Trumbo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:11 pm
That's pretty interesting. So this puts them on pace for about 12K applications in 2022, with a 30K backlog seems they definitely need to allocate double the resources they have currently if they are going to bring times down below two years and close to the 1 - 1/12 years pre covid. Seems like they are still dealing with the passport backlog, so maybe after that is under control they can refocus to FBR.
When I applied in Feb 2020 the estimated time was 9 - 12 months iirc.
My main compliant with the process is they need to institute a tracker or some reliable method of contacting them or getting updates. It's an expensive and labor intensive thing to do from the applicant's side and they owe it the applicants to communicate better. IMHO.
They also got back to me within an hour of opening for business on the next business day after I emailed them in what would have been the middle of their night, which I thought was pretty good going.
And they told me that "as the current level of passport demand reduces" they'll be reassigning staff back to processing FBR applications, so maybe things will speed up then?
Have not seen this specific circumstance before but normally in the event of a missing document (which is more often a birth certificate than a death certificate) people have been successful submitting a cover letter explaining the circumstances and a sworn affidavit.BigVern wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:36 pmI wonder if anyone has advice - I am I believe entitled to Irish Citizenship through my Irish born Grandfather. However my father ( his son) died in 1983 and his death certificate ( British citizen died in South Africa) was lost long ago and the South African authorities have no records ( 1983 Johannesburg was not the epicentre of administrative elites!). Consequently I am
Unable to provide either my fathers death certificate or notarised passport. Anyone have any idea how I can navigate this or which lawyer may be able to help BW JB
Not sure if this helps, but I know of someone with UK Citizenship who died overseas and they received a death certificate both where they died and then another one in the UK.BigVern wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:36 pmI wonder if anyone has advice - I am I believe entitled to Irish Citizenship through my Irish born Grandfather. However my father ( his son) died in 1983 and his death certificate ( British citizen died in South Africa) was lost long ago and the South African authorities have no records ( 1983 Johannesburg was not the epicentre of administrative elites!). Consequently I am
Unable to provide either my fathers death certificate or notarised passport. Anyone have any idea how I can navigate this or which lawyer may be able to help BW JB
I'd be curious to know what docs they have asked you for especially if they aren't on the original list - I have never personally seen them put a deadline on anything before, except the address confirmation email in some cases where some folks were given 7 days to confirm, or we will post etcsd89 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:05 pmFebruary 2019 applicant here. I have just heard from the office with a request for more documents. Some I have already sent, others are not part of the original required list.
Should I be concerned about this? I have 28 days to turn around the ask, which is going to be challenging as I live in Australia and they have requested original copies.
Slightly frustrating to hear nothing for years, then receive a request like this. Additionally, if I don’t comply my original documents will be sent to an address I no longer live at.
I remember some early mid 2019 folks being part of a group of applications that were lost somehow. A few folks posted on here about it, being asked to resubmit documents. I'm wondering if this is related to that because they started on Sept/Oct 2019 when they first reopened in Nov of 2021.Closing in on 4 years, something must have gone wrong on the FBR side.duffy1867 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:30 pmNot sure if this helps, but I know of someone with UK Citizenship who died overseas and they received a death certificate both where they died and then another one in the UK.BigVern wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:36 pmI wonder if anyone has advice - I am I believe entitled to Irish Citizenship through my Irish born Grandfather. However my father ( his son) died in 1983 and his death certificate ( British citizen died in South Africa) was lost long ago and the South African authorities have no records ( 1983 Johannesburg was not the epicentre of administrative elites!). Consequently I am
Unable to provide either my fathers death certificate or notarised passport. Anyone have any idea how I can navigate this or which lawyer may be able to help BW JB
The UK certificate was a 'certificate of no liability to register' which acheived much of the same thing as the original death certificate, and is better than having nothing for your FBR needs. You might be able to register for this even now 39 years later (if it wasn't done at the time).
Not sure if this will help at all, but worth sending the message
Links I have found
https://www.gov.uk/after-a-death/death-abroad
https://www.gov.uk/register-a-death
I agree with other comments that the Birth Certificate is the most important as it's the actual proof you are entitled to citizenship
I'd be curious to know what docs they have asked you for especially if they aren't on the original list - I have never personally seen them put a deadline on anything before, except the address confirmation email in some cases where some folks were given 7 days to confirm, or we will post etcsd89 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:05 pmFebruary 2019 applicant here. I have just heard from the office with a request for more documents. Some I have already sent, others are not part of the original required list.
Should I be concerned about this? I have 28 days to turn around the ask, which is going to be challenging as I live in Australia and they have requested original copies.
Slightly frustrating to hear nothing for years, then receive a request like this. Additionally, if I don’t comply my original documents will be sent to an address I no longer live at.
Feb 2019 is surprisingly long ago too, considering they are mainly working on March 2020 at the moment
I had forgotten all about this, but now vaguely recall it being mentioned on here - awful, awful situation for folks to end up inDalton_Trumbo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:51 pmI remember some early mid 2019 folks being part of a group of applications that were lost somehow. A few folks posted on here about it, being asked to resubmit documents. I'm wondering if this is related to that because they started on Sept/Oct 2019 when they first reopened in Nov of 2021.Closing in on 4 years, something must have gone wrong on the FBR side.
That'll be amazing if they can make that happen! We don't have any insight to their backlog, so info like this is golden. Thanks for the info, input-output.input-output wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:51 pmI was told t hat all 2020 applications will be completed by this year's end.
That certainly is good news. However the dfa’s continued insistence that fbr applications are processed in 2 years when it’s clear that that isn’t the case has me wondering whether they really will manage to get through all 2020 applications by the year’s end. Hopefully lockdown caused a significant enough drop in applications for them to be able to actually deliver on this. As a September 2020 applicant it would be nice to receive my fbr before Christmas and hopefully get my Irish passport in time for my late May trip to Spain but only time will tell. I’ve come to accept that this is just a waiting game and a test of my patience over the past two years.input-output wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:51 pmHello everyone
I did not take part in this thread for a long time as I had little to contribute. I thought my cal lwith the section in regards to our child's FBR application could be of interest to some: basically, I was told t hat all 2020 applications will be completed by this year's end. I pressume the fall in applications around Spring/Summer 2020 implies that Autumn 2020 is the next to be processed.
I must be in an optimistic mood, because I see input-output's news as confirming what DFA has been saying about 2 years. If they finish all the 2020 applications this year, they're right back on track for two years. The December '20 applications will be right at two years.
That seems amazing if they could do that, given it's 3/4 of the year and they're working on March 2020. However, given that the covid lockdowns started in March 2020 and they told folks not to send in the evidence until FBR reopened, maybe they just don't have that many applications from April to Dec 2020? Certainly possible. That seems the only reasonable explanation, if they're saying they can finish 2020 in the next 3 months.GoingBackBackToEire wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:12 pmI must be in an optimistic mood, because I see input-output's news as confirming what DFA has been saying about 2 years. If they finish all the 2020 applications this year, they're right back on track for two years. The December '20 applications will be right at two years.
My guess/hope is once they've tamed the backlog they'll scale back FBR personnel to maintain that <2 year processing time and shift to improve first-time passport processing time. I've heard reports it's 3-4 months.
I'm also a Sept 2020 applicant. If this timeline holds up, we should get ours in ~November '22. That's ~26 months. We'll get some indication of whether things are accelerating when we see summer '20 FBRs getting issued.
