Spousal Visa Application - Pakistan

215HAN wrote:Hey Riff or anyone who can help!

If a visitor visa is rejected, how soon after can you re-submit a new application. Can it be done straight away or do you have to wait some time.

Thanks

No, there is no waiting period, though I would advise not to reapply again, adrenaline pumping, fists flying.

Lay back and plan the application from start to finish, with all possible outcomes and then apply. I find on this forum that there is a general lack of planning while submitting an application.

nightrider wrote:

aqilzeeshan wrote:Hi nightrider,

so far what i've found about refusal no matter what the reason is, is that appeals take much much longer and their outcome is that either ECO decision was right or wrong based on provided documents. Further what i've found that ECO does not ask for any document even if applicant can provide it easily , they just make the decision based on available documents and approve or refuse.

Further to my knowledge, in case one think that any document could have been attached the option is to reapply, pay the fee again and wait again for 60 days and wait for the outcome.

on a personal note, in my case no accomodation related doc was attached in my first application, got refusal, had option to appeal, instead applying again on 2march with accomodation related docs, i think same would be the case with other refusal related cases.

regards

i'm going to appeal, it'll be too late if i apply again. Wife is pregnant, baby will be born in pakistan in the next month or so.. How do you send the appeal documents? Is it through gerrys? thanks

you can use Gerry's, or any other courier. But, aqilzeeshan is right. Appeal is going to take even more time than reapplying. Have a visit at the AIT website and find the time lines. Here is one interesting fact for you..89% of the reviews fail and the cases are decided on court hearings. 97% of the court hearings occur after 7 months of appeal.

The rest is upto you

RiFF wrote:

nightrider wrote:my visa got rejected because they think i made the statements at home.

I got black and white duplicate statements, which were signed and stamped from nationwide bank. yet they have rejected me on this matter.

What should i do, should i appeal this appalling decision..

I asked for original bank statements from my bank but they wrote back and said only orignal come in colour. My bank cannot provide original..

This is atrocious...

Why can the bank nor provide the originals, as it is your right under the finance bill to get the original. Infact, I bank with Abbey's and I get original bank statements every month in COLOUR!
I am curious as to what bank you are with and why don't they provide originals...from an ECO's perspective, if I was in his place, I would still reject duplicate statements.

Its the bank, or the lack of research, not the ECO's mistake.

everyine is saying this to me, but 1 year ago i opted out of paper statement, and when i need genuine statement they couldnt provide. They said the duplicates are also original. I have a bank letter confirming this now. i have colour duplicates and have received one original statement as i opted for paper statements again. Nationwide is a useless bank.... Dont use them...

Riff- Thanks mate. Will go to internet cafe and try it or try sort mt laptop out

Well I tried the internet cafe...and no go. Its still the same. So I give up now just wait untill they get incontact.

escoba

when you got a letter from tax office, what did it state on the letter, i asked for a letter today from my local office and she said we can give a history of who you worked for this financial year.

Is that what you got.

kNIGHTRIDER-

I wrote a letter to Inland Revenue, stating that I was applying for visa for my spouse and that I need proof of letter to confirm that I was on their tax records and that I was working. I wrote my natioal insurance number in the letter too. Also State which company you work for.
They will in return send you a letter stating who you work for and when you started.

Also write a letter to social security telling them the same thing, and that you need letter to confirm that your not claiming benefits.

P.S. KNIGHTRIDER. You have to ask the request by writing. and takes couple of weeks to get reply.

Hi

I got my passport today from Gerry,s Lahore office and my case was settelement but they refused it on 12-02-2009 which was also my interview date and what is the refusal reasone is the stupid (ECO write in letter that he is not satisfide that my marrige is subsiting marrige and he is not satisfide with my emploment here in Pakistan and also also not satisfide with my contect with my wife why becouse i dont no that much about Leicester city becouse she lives there thats it)
so now please tell me what i do becouse these are such a stupid type of reasons even i told him everything correct but he still think wrong so please tell me what i do now?

My sister in law submitted her application on 2nd feb 09, her visa was issued on the 6th of feb 09, she recieved her passport on 12th feb 09, we were a little freaked out and couldnt believe it got done so fast.

thank god.

what we submitted

6 months bank statements
6 months pay slips

Letter from my mother saying that my brother and wife are allowed to live in her house

letter from council

copy of bros passport
copy of wife passport

translated nikahnama
pics of nikah

my wifes visa got rejected but we have decided to reapply as it would be quicker... The eco still has our old wageslips, at present i have 1 months wage slip, in 2 weeks i will get another. Should i explain in the app they have my wage slips from prev application.

Also will reapplying rather than appealing be detrimental for me in the eco eyes. I have all the docs to shut up the ecos mouth, his reasons for refusal were atrocious.

tasawar wrote:Hi

I got my passport today from Gerry,s Lahore office and my case was settelement but they refused it on 12-02-2009 which was also my interview date and what is the refusal reasone is the stupid (ECO write in letter that he is not satisfide that my marrige is subsiting marrige and he is not satisfide with my emploment here in Pakistan and also also not satisfide with my contect with my wife why becouse i dont no that much about Leicester city becouse she lives there thats it)
so now please tell me what i do becouse these are such a stupid type of reasons even i told him everything correct but he still think wrong so please tell me what i do now?

It would be more helpful, if you could give the reasons with the refusal causes as well. For example, when the letter says, your marriage is not subsisting, the letter must have supporting evidence for this as well..please post it here and only then can we help you out.

It would also be helpful to list the documents you submitted with the application.

nightrider wrote:my wifes visa got rejected but we have decided to reapply as it would be quicker... The eco still has our old wageslips, at present i have 1 months wage slip, in 2 weeks i will get another. Should i explain in the app they have my wage slips from prev application.

Also will reapplying rather than appealing be detrimental for me in the eco eyes. I have all the docs to shut up the ecos mouth, his reasons for refusal were atrocious.

First of all, you can reapply and appeal at the same time. The appeal costs no extra money and if you get a visa from the new application, your appeal will automatically close. So there is no harm is appealing as well as reapplying at the same time. Because the appeal can surely take a long while and God willing, if you get the visa with the reapplication, it will save you quite a bit of time.

For the appeal, only those documents are required which are directly concerned with the refusal reason(s).

For a fresh application, you need all the documents from scratch. You can mention the documents not returned with the first application, but in my opinion, its not going to work. You are better off waiting for a couple of months and then reapplying with 3 wage slips minimum.

where did your sister in law submit her papers.

Hey Riff- how are you. I still can't seem to log on, keeps saying invalid search or the page refreshes. I've tried a dtwo other computers and still no joy. Is there anything else I can do.?

Fuscia wrote:My sister in law submitted her application on 2nd feb 09, her visa was issued on the 6th of feb 09, she recieved her passport on 12th feb 09, we were a little freaked out and couldnt believe it got done so fast.

thank god.

what we submitted

6 months bank statements
6 months pay slips

Letter from my mother saying that my brother and wife are allowed to live in her house

letter from council

copy of bros passport
copy of wife passport

translated nikahnama
pics of nikah

RiFF wrote:

nightrider wrote:my wifes visa got rejected but we have decided to reapply as it would be quicker... The eco still has our old wageslips, at present i have 1 months wage slip, in 2 weeks i will get another. Should i explain in the app they have my wage slips from prev application.

Also will reapplying rather than appealing be detrimental for me in the eco eyes. I have all the docs to shut up the ecos mouth, his reasons for refusal were atrocious.

First of all, you can reapply and appeal at the same time. The appeal costs no extra money and if you get a visa from the new application, your appeal will automatically close. So there is no harm is appealing as well as reapplying at the same time. Because the appeal can surely take a long while and God willing, if you get the visa with the reapplication, it will save you quite a bit of time.

For the appeal, only those documents are required which are directly concerned with the refusal reason(s).

For a fresh application, you need all the documents from scratch. You can mention the documents not returned with the first application, but in my opinion, its not going to work. You are better off waiting for a couple of months and then reapplying with 3 wage slips minimum.

what you mean its not going to work, i will have 2 months worth of wage slips. The old wage slips bhc have. I have 6 months of statements which show my wage coming in every month. I am also getting a letter from my employer stating the slips are genuine and will include all tax detail along with employment details... I have also got a letter from the tax office stating i am employed with X company from X date.

PS
I kept photocopies all my documents i sent with my first app, i will send the photocopied wageslips and explain the original statements you have.

@ escoba : I dont know anything else you can try. I guess waiting for the system to back up is one thing

@ nightrider : Yes, you have two wage slips, which is a weak proof of financial security. (Minimum 3). Forget about what the BHC already has. What gives you the impression your application is going to the same ECO as before? and furthermore, he is going to look for your lost wage slips in the dungeons of the BHC?

You dont want the ECO to get too aware of your last "rejected" application, as it affects adversely on your new one. Wait a month more, get 3 and then apply. As far as photocopies go, they are not even worth the paper they are written on as far as your application goes.

I can get you numerous threads on this forum where people were rejected simply because they had less than 3 wage slips.

Its just an advice. The decision is upto you really

kNIGHTRIDER- I think Riff is right, wait untill you have three months wage slips. I'm sure this is all fustrating, but you don't want to do anything in haste.

escoba wrote:kNIGHTRIDER- I think Riff is right, wait untill you have three months wage slips. I'm sure this is all fustrating, but you don't want to do anything in haste.

i have six months of statements all showing my monthly wage. A tax letter proves 100% that im employed, there no issues on this regard now.

Good luck with your application then mate.

Looking forward keenly to the outcome, which again in my opinion will not be very well.

kNIGHTRIDER-Well good luck I hope it works out.

RiFF wrote:

asifposter wrote:Riff, I wanted to ask you a question.

Does it go against you if the sponsor works part time? For instance I work 3 days a week and earn £1000 after tax and NI deductions. I'm living with my parents and don't pay rent. I spend half and save half every month and have £2500 worth of savings.

Would love your advice.

No, it doesnt. The HO is not interested in how many days and hours you are working. The bottom line is, whether your finances are secure enough for supporting your wife, and what you have posted here shows it is.

However, I hope you have done this when you applied in the first place, since you are living with your parents, did you attach a letter from your parents stating no objection to your wife coming over and staying with them?

Thanks for the info Riff.

In my first application, My brother offerred me his 1 bed flat and gave me a consenting letter, council tax statement and an energy bill. The refusal notice said that there was no proof of overcrowding shown and that I was still living at my parents house as my payslips and statements had my aprents address on it.

I'm spending the whole of March preparing my next application before my trip to Pak in April. I've got one of London's best solictor's to prepare my application and this time i'm showing my parents 4 bed house as accomadation as my solicitor and parents think it will be sufficient.

Salaams all,

Fuscia that is fantastic timing mashAllah. can anyone else give us their dates and how quick they recieved a reply, Im guessing with this new appointment system they will be replying a bit quicker. We called in last week to get a date for application at the vac in karachi and the earliest we could get was 12 march. Im really hoping and praying i get a quick positive response inshAllah.

again if anyone has more recent dates then it will be much appreciated. I know the guys who applied in november were around thed 7-8 week mark. January was about 6 weeks. And we have this latest result from Fuscia.

asifposter wrote:

RiFF wrote:

asifposter wrote:Riff, I wanted to ask you a question.

Does it go against you if the sponsor works part time? For instance I work 3 days a week and earn £1000 after tax and NI deductions. I'm living with my parents and don't pay rent. I spend half and save half every month and have £2500 worth of savings.

Would love your advice.

No, it doesnt. The HO is not interested in how many days and hours you are working. The bottom line is, whether your finances are secure enough for supporting your wife, and what you have posted here shows it is.

However, I hope you have done this when you applied in the first place, since you are living with your parents, did you attach a letter from your parents stating no objection to your wife coming over and staying with them?

Thanks for the info Riff.

In my first application, My brother offerred me his 1 bed flat and gave me a consenting letter, council tax statement and an energy bill. The refusal notice said that there was no proof of overcrowding shown and that I was still living at my parents house as my payslips and statements had my aprents address on it.

I'm spending the whole of March preparing my next application before my trip to Pak in April. I've got one of London's best solictor's to prepare my application and this time i'm showing my parents 4 bed house as accomadation as my solicitor and parents think it will be sufficient.

Of course it will be sufficient. Just remember to get the consenting letter form your parents, and a band estimate for over-crowding. Good luck with your application.

RiFF wrote:

asifposter wrote:

RiFF wrote:

asifposter wrote:Riff, I wanted to ask you a question.

Does it go against you if the sponsor works part time? For instance I work 3 days a week and earn £1000 after tax and NI deductions. I'm living with my parents and don't pay rent. I spend half and save half every month and have £2500 worth of savings.

Would love your advice.

No, it doesnt. The HO is not interested in how many days and hours you are working. The bottom line is, whether your finances are secure enough for supporting your wife, and what you have posted here shows it is.

However, I hope you have done this when you applied in the first place, since you are living with your parents, did you attach a letter from your parents stating no objection to your wife coming over and staying with them?

Thanks for the info Riff.

In my first application, My brother offerred me his 1 bed flat and gave me a consenting letter, council tax statement and an energy bill. The refusal notice said that there was no proof of overcrowding shown and that I was still living at my parents house as my payslips and statements had my aprents address on it.

I'm spending the whole of March preparing my next application before my trip to Pak in April. I've got one of London's best solictor's to prepare my application and this time i'm showing my parents 4 bed house as accomadation as my solicitor and parents think it will be sufficient.

Of course it will be sufficient. Just remember to get the consenting letter form your parents, and a band estimate for over-crowding. Good luck with your application.

I'll be submitting a consenting letter from my parents, a council tax statement, an electricity bill, an inspection report and the land registry document.

Do you think that's sufficient?

Yes it is, as far as the rejection reasons go for your last application. But another advice is dont get too focused on the rejection reasons and make the rest of the application sloppy.

I am sure you will get it right this time around. Good Luck!