Current job market in the UK..!!!!!!!!

coolsats · Post by **coolsats** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:23 pm

Hi friends,

One of my friend who came back from the uk the day before says that the current job market is totally sick. there are just no jobs, and the government cutting down on the foreign workers. Is this true.
In today s scenario how difficult it is to secure a job. Please give your comments people....
Kindly let us know the current market, so that we can think before we leave for London, and spend our hard earned money....

Regards,
Rajbir

shockboy2000 · Post by **shockboy2000** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:41 pm

theres no answer to such a general question.

mainly depends how skilled u really are, and how well you sell yourself...

do you work in an industry affected by all the job losses ?

are you only looking at london ? i.e. excluding yourself from jobs in all of the rest of the uk ? Thats the biggest thing ive noticed with people in the UK (citizens and foreigners), is the unwillingness to move around/seek work in other towns...would rather sit around unemployed and complain that a job isnt handed to them on a platter.

igetaround · Post by **igetaround** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:53 pm

shockboy2000 wrote:do you work in an industry affected by all the job losses ?

Is there any industry that is not affected by now? Seriously?

shockboy2000 wrote:Thats the biggest thing ive noticed with people in the UK (citizens and foreigners), is the unwillingness to move around/seek work in other towns...would rather sit around unemployed and complain that a job isnt handed to them on a platter.

It is difficult if you have family or a lot of belongings.
Besides during the recession the probability of you being made redundant is very high, and moving for every new job is just too expensive. It makes sense to settle in the biggest employment centre in the country - London (and wait until the end of the bad times).

SKUK · Post by **SKUK** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:10 pm

are you only looking at london ? i.e. excluding yourself from jobs in all of the rest of the uk ? Thats the biggest thing ive noticed with people in the UK (citizens and foreigners), is the unwillingness to move around/seek work in other towns

In my opinion the tier 1 extension system is partly to blame for this. If you are to get 45 points through earnings which means earning in excess of 40 grand a year, that's a tall order if you work outside of London.

I think there should be a categorisation of regions within UK for earnings when it comes to extension like there is one currently for initial applications (for different countries). This would encourage highly skilled immigrants to spread out in the country because you can have a better lifestyle if you earn 30-35K in Loughborough as opposed to 50K in London. but the problem is 30K will give you only 30 points, on the other hand it's the full 45 for a 50k sal.

I read in a news article sometime ago that Scotland wants more skilled immigrants but not many people move there probably because of the above reason. It's the opposite in the south east (London region) supply is more than demand.

Sky_High · Post by **Sky_High** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:39 pm

Few jobs are available but depends upon the sector. Overall Job Market is not very good. Each day news are comming for more and more redundancies. Firms are relcultant to start new projcts and create new vanacies. Every one is looking for less employees to cut costs. UK is worst recession hit country in developed countries.

coolsats · Post by **coolsats** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:45 pm

How about jobs in the call center industry. Are they as bad as the Software industry. In India its never a problem getting job in the bpo and call center industry.
By the way am data warehousing professional. just thinking that if i don't get a job in my field, then till the time being i can work in a call center to make both the ends meet, in case i decide to come to the UK.

shockboy2000 · Post by **shockboy2000** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:44 pm

igetaround wrote:
shockboy2000 wrote:do you work in an industry affected by all the job losses ?
Is there any industry that is not affected by now? Seriously?

shockboy2000 wrote:Thats the biggest thing ive noticed with people in the UK (citizens and foreigners), is the unwillingness to move around/seek work in other towns...would rather sit around unemployed and complain that a job isnt handed to them on a platter.
It is difficult if you have family or a lot of belongings.
Besides during the recession the probability of you being made redundant is very high, and moving for every new job is just too expensive. It makes sense to settle in the biggest employment centre in the country - London (and wait until the end of the bad times).

yes, i guess its better to sit on the sofa earning nothing, not providing for your family, then going home when Home Office says your lack of working doesnt qualify you for a visa extension.

To the OP: do some research as to where the jobs will be for YOU, before u come here. dont assume london is the 'be all and end all'. Ask yourself if u are prepared to work elsewhere in the uk.
Staying put in london simply because its the largest place, so there must be more jobs - sounds like the attitude of someone who isnt very confident in their skills.

as for salary variances across the country, thats a pretty good idea...but it starts getting subjective as to where to place the border limits. And some professions will pay differently.
An ordinary permie computer programmer/tester will earn 35K+ outside of london (more in london), therefore a HIGHLY skilled IT person should have no concerns where they are based salary wise, but someone who is highly skilled in another profession may struggle to earn similar amounts in some parts of the country.

shockboy2000 · Post by **shockboy2000** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:51 pm

coolsats wrote:How about jobs in the call center industry. Are they as bad as the Software industry. In India its never a problem getting job in the bpo and call center industry.
By the way am data warehousing professional. just thinking that if i don't get a job in my field, then till the time being i can work in a call center to make both the ends meet, in case i decide to come to the UK.

will working in a call centre get you enough $$$ to extend your visa after the 1st year?

At the risk of sounding rude, arent most UK call centres actually based in India?

maheshnair · Post by **maheshnair** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:34 am

coolsats wrote:How about jobs in the call center industry. Are they as bad as the Software industry. In India its never a problem getting job in the bpo and call center industry.
By the way am data warehousing professional. just thinking that if i don't get a job in my field, then till the time being i can work in a call center to make both the ends meet, in case i decide to come to the UK.

All big indian companies have already eaten and moved many jobs to India .

It is not the UK job market that is a problem , it is these companies who are creating hell .

I lost my first job as a contractor when one of the Big indian companies came in and offered a rate of a beggar(1/4th) and also buy 1 take 1 resource free etc .

Almost 250 localites lost job from that company because of this Indian company .

They moved whole IT to india and made 250 guys jobless .

Recently the UK company is hiring back contractors as the Indian guys screwed things up and they lost millions of pounds ...

sureshep · Post by **sureshep** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:14 am

Well, I will tell my story .......got Tier 1 stamped in Dec 2008 from India and waited till March 15th 2009 to get the market up and thought that there will be a difference........but there was no difference, in fact it was going worse.

I am an SAP Consultant with over 5 years of hands on experience and SAP certificatied.

Applied for jobs through internet sitting here in India........but there was no single call and finally I came to know that......most of those all jobs are fake and useless.

I enquired and contacted few of my friends in UK for any vacancies.....luckily one call got materilized and was shortlisted for technical interview. The agency asked me to wait for some time.....hence I waited and finally I came to know that position itselfs closed due cost/budget issue.

Doing some more research, I came to know that contractors/agencies will never easily take candidates easily and moreover they would play with our resumes.

Now, looking at all these things - I wonder how a candidate can get a job in UK with the help of these Internet job portals, agencies etc., in UK ? In these conditions, how can we get a job .....what is the best source in job search ?

Can we leave the current jobs here which is quite good role and go to UK for job search seeing the current market conditions.

What if we wait for a long period there till we get a job and till the market picks up (which is unknown).

What about the visa conditions for initial entry to UK once the visa is stamped, people say we need to travel within 6 months ?

Anybody seniors.....plz help and share your experiences in getting the jobs in UK. Thank you for your time and patience for reading this thread. Looking forward to your kind and earliest responses.

Regards,
Suresh

Tier1_Bristol · Post by **Tier1_Bristol** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:31 pm

shockboy2000 wrote:
igetaround wrote:
shockboy2000 wrote:do you work in an industry affected by all the job losses ?
Is there any industry that is not affected by now? Seriously?

shockboy2000 wrote:Thats the biggest thing ive noticed with people in the UK (citizens and foreigners), is the unwillingness to move around/seek work in other towns...would rather sit around unemployed and complain that a job isnt handed to them on a platter.
It is difficult if you have family or a lot of belongings.
Besides during the recession the probability of you being made redundant is very high, and moving for every new job is just too expensive. It makes sense to settle in the biggest employment centre in the country - London (and wait until the end of the bad times).
yes, i guess its better to sit on the sofa earning nothing, not providing for your family, then going home when Home Office says your lack of working doesnt qualify you for a visa extension.

To the OP: do some research as to where the jobs will be for YOU, before u come here. dont assume london is the 'be all and end all'. Ask yourself if u are prepared to work elsewhere in the uk.
Staying put in london simply because its the largest place, so there must be more jobs - sounds like the attitude of someone who isnt very confident in their skills.

as for salary variances across the country, thats a pretty good idea...but it starts getting subjective as to where to place the border limits. And some professions will pay differently.
An ordinary permie computer programmer/tester will earn 35K+ outside of london (more in london), therefore a HIGHLY skilled IT person should have no concerns where they are based salary wise, but someone who is highly skilled in another profession may struggle to earn similar amounts in some parts of the country.

Thats pretty rude mate. I assume that you are a bachelor and have no commitments whatsoever. Think yourself as a guy who lives in a small town in South West with a non-working wife who takes care of two kids both going to school with a own house on a mortgage. This is an average brit's life.

Do you think it is easy for them to move around as you move around here (which is not your home country) leaving back wife and kids.? He has to consider a lots like kids school and period when moving around. And I also I assume that you are working on highly-demanding rare-to-get-in-market technology. There are loads of ppl working on other ordinary Java J2EE,DB skills. I think you need to do a reality check. Apply for a job with Java or testing and see how many calls you get.

Guys, market over here is worse. Dont just get deceived over by the number of Job adverts in jobsites. No Calls for many of my friends who have got a very good UK experience in Java,J2EE,Oracle DBA, Testing etc.

Do think twice before coming to UK without a job.

Cheers
Gita

freak3out · Post by **freak3out** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:59 am

Hi

I came to UK in Oct 2009 last year as i got job offer in India and got a permanent job in UK, but because of this recession i was made redundant and now the job market is really dead , as i got only one interview call but after that no call, so it is better to wait to have jobs in this market as at this point there are very less or no jobs.

Thanks

supercreature · Post by **supercreature** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:42 am

It depends really, what sector you are working, how long you have been in UK market and many other factors ... In general, the UK market is worst hit than other countries in the world... Almost dead right now. My feeling is that it will take next 2 years to atleast stop the fast decline the economy is in right now ....

Daslimy1 · Post by **Daslimy1** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:59 pm

I think the market is at its worst...ask from someone who has been looking for a year now...still no Jobs, few interviews nothing worked out. I am in IT 7 yrs in Security..its highly skilled but still cant say everything will work...I got interviewed in a few places back in oct but now those companies got closed...wondering if it is a good thing that i didn't get a job..not sure...but by the look of it..nothing is going to change this year..wondering about my extension now..pheww

Cheers!

Laraib · Post by **Laraib** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:39 am

Hi aLL

I have HSMP visa but am afraid of going to UK because of the no job situation there. I am a sociologist with 7 years of experience with UN in Pakistan.

bruceb · Post by **bruceb** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:37 am

Need some success stories folks, have been hearing all bad things from the last week, have we got anyone, who has been out of the job and back into it recently? in IT.
I'm have been applying for .Net jobs from India, no luck what so ever.

maheshnair · Post by **maheshnair** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:14 am

bruceb wrote:Need some success stories folks, have been hearing all bad things from the last week, have we got anyone, who has been out of the job and back into it recently? in IT.
I'm have been applying for .Net jobs from India, no luck what so ever.

Truth is bitter . So let me tell the truth .

If there is a new contract . First the agency will see if there are anybody who already has uk experience . Yes . As of now there are many in UK itself sitting in home . And so considering a fresh person from INDIA directly depends on what your skills is ..........

So coming to skills , If you have specialised skills , then Jobs is still there and easy to get .

For example , as of now there are 2 room mates of mine . 1 guy is a tester and other guy is a SAP consultant .

The sap guy got job in 1 month time .... Other guy is still looking for 3 months ...

All depends mate ...Nothing is generic ...

In short , Your fate depends on You and not the world or environment ...

aman · Post by **aman** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:57 pm

maheshnair wrote:
coolsats wrote: All big indian companies have already eaten and moved many jobs to India .

It is not the UK job market that is a problem , it is these companies who are creating hell .

I lost my first job as a contractor when one of the Big indian companies came in and offered a rate of a beggar(1/4th) and also buy 1 take 1 resource free etc .

Almost 250 localites lost job from that company because of this Indian company .

They moved whole IT to india and made 250 guys jobless .

Recently the UK company is hiring back contractors as the Indian guys screwed things up and they lost millions of pounds ...

WOW!!.. you seem to have achieved the ubiquitous NRI status: Naturally Roundu(cribber) Indian.
Time for a bitter truth for you Mr nair. You have pricked me enough

First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view.

The core lies in creating value, where ever you are who ever you are, indian or NRI(inspite of the cribbing!) or American, Brit etc..

True there are a lot of low quality high quantity pitch thrown about (and thats needed as well), but you got to be blind to not see less but sureely high quality stuff coming out o India. The pay obviously for such professionals is not trivial and that my friend is flat economy for you.
Now I can compare many top notch Indians/others here or home with you and tell you what triviality you have achieved in your life. Let me just say wake up and realize that if its just because you happen to be here you HAVE money or you are creating worth thats why you MAKE money.

What you are saying is of the same league as saying since you are Indian/Nair/NRI/sarkari you should get the job. Well if folks in UK did that I am sure we(including them) will be back in medieval times. Move on Mahesh . If you have these cretches(being here/ localite/ as a reason to getting a job) you will always limp . Collaborate and Seek ladders like the UK economy..thats what the smart ,value seeking guys devised for you..free markets...to grow your value and theirs too not at your or their or anybody's expense but definitely having competition. Live it up or keep cribbing the choice is yours.

Allright now something for this thread:
As folks have mentioned here, the jobs are there for the specific skills. As an example a friend of mine has worked as embedded engineer. His contract got over and he went back to India for a while and came bac. It took him a month to get a job. There were not many calls he had. Now the job he got was in Set top box company. He had prior experience in that No other embedded software company approached him like mobile phones/Cars/ other
So in a nutshell. My 2 cents: Seek the specific companies that do the stuff that you think you have specialized in. Else might be good to invest in yourself and become skilled at present job/expand and explore oppurtunities there till economy picks up .or could go for higher degree if you can afford the time and money.

supercreature · Post by **supercreature** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:04 pm

@coolsats

Your comments are true at large without commenting on your objectives ... Its true so many redundancies are done jsut because UK companies have moved their operations to overseas...

maheshnair · Post by **maheshnair** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:08 pm

aman wrote:
maheshnair wrote:
coolsats wrote: All big indian companies have already eaten and moved many jobs to India .

It is not the UK job market that is a problem , it is these companies who are creating hell .

I lost my first job as a contractor when one of the Big indian companies came in and offered a rate of a beggar(1/4th) and also buy 1 take 1 resource free etc .

Almost 250 localites lost job from that company because of this Indian company .

They moved whole IT to india and made 250 guys jobless .

Recently the UK company is hiring back contractors as the Indian guys screwed things up and they lost millions of pounds ...

WOW!!.. you seem to have achieved the ubiquitous NRI status: Naturally Roundu(cribber) Indian.
Time for a bitter truth for you Mr nair. You have pricked me enough

First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view.

The core lies in creating value, where ever you are who ever you are, indian or NRI(inspite of the cribbing!) or American, Brit etc..

True there are a lot of low quality high quantity pitch thrown about (and thats needed as well), but you got to be blind to not see less but sureely high quality stuff coming out o India. The pay obviously for such professionals is not trivial and that my friend is flat economy for you.
Now I can compare many top notch Indians/others here or home with you and tell you what triviality you have achieved in your life. Let me just say wake up and realize that if its just because you happen to be here you HAVE money or you are creating worth thats why you MAKE money.

What you are saying is of the same league as saying since you are Indian/Nair/NRI/sarkari you should get the job. Well if folks in UK did that I am sure we(including them) will be back in medieval times. Move on Mahesh . If you have these cretches(being here/ localite/ as a reason to getting a job) you will always limp . Collaborate and Seek ladders like the UK economy..thats what the smart ,value seeking guys devised for you..free markets...to grow your value and theirs too not at your or their or anybody's expense but definitely having competition. Live it up or keep cribbing the choice is yours.

Allright now something for this thread:
As folks have mentioned here, the jobs are there for the specific skills. As an example a friend of mine has worked as embedded engineer. His contract got over and he went back to India for a while and came bac. It took him a month to get a job. There were not many calls he had. Now the job he got was in Set top box company. He had prior experience in that No other embedded software company approached him like mobile phones/Cars/ other
So in a nutshell. My 2 cents: Seek the specific companies that do the stuff that you think you have specialized in. Else might be good to invest in yourself and become skilled at present job/expand and explore oppurtunities there till economy picks up .or could go for higher degree if you can afford the time and money.

Mr Aman ,

"First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view. "
Dont assume things son .

I came here in student VISA spending lakhs and was then hired by a UK company . My fist Job was with a UK company .

Again i say these INDIAN companies are the biggest reasons why Localites loose Job .

Just if you throw away the first three Big indian companies from UK .
Localites will get thousands of jobs .....

They come here , say the client that they will move job to India and will quote a rate like 100 Â£ / 120 Â£ and say they will give 10 free resources etc and Push the whole project to India and thus spoils the Life of a UK guy who will go jobless and stand on roads begging .....

maheshnair · Post by **maheshnair** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:38 pm

maheshnair wrote:
aman wrote:
maheshnair wrote:
coolsats wrote: All big indian companies have already eaten and moved many jobs to India .

It is not the UK job market that is a problem , it is these companies who are creating hell .

I lost my first job as a contractor when one of the Big indian companies came in and offered a rate of a beggar(1/4th) and also buy 1 take 1 resource free etc .

Almost 250 localites lost job from that company because of this Indian company .

They moved whole IT to india and made 250 guys jobless .

Recently the UK company is hiring back contractors as the Indian guys screwed things up and they lost millions of pounds ...

WOW!!.. you seem to have achieved the ubiquitous NRI status: Naturally Roundu(cribber) Indian.
Time for a bitter truth for you Mr nair. You have pricked me enough

First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view.

The core lies in creating value, where ever you are who ever you are, indian or NRI(inspite of the cribbing!) or American, Brit etc..

True there are a lot of low quality high quantity pitch thrown about (and thats needed as well), but you got to be blind to not see less but sureely high quality stuff coming out o India. The pay obviously for such professionals is not trivial and that my friend is flat economy for you.
Now I can compare many top notch Indians/others here or home with you and tell you what triviality you have achieved in your life. Let me just say wake up and realize that if its just because you happen to be here you HAVE money or you are creating worth thats why you MAKE money.

What you are saying is of the same league as saying since you are Indian/Nair/NRI/sarkari you should get the job. Well if folks in UK did that I am sure we(including them) will be back in medieval times. Move on Mahesh . If you have these cretches(being here/ localite/ as a reason to getting a job) you will always limp . Collaborate and Seek ladders like the UK economy..thats what the smart ,value seeking guys devised for you..free markets...to grow your value and theirs too not at your or their or anybody's expense but definitely having competition. Live it up or keep cribbing the choice is yours.

Allright now something for this thread:
As folks have mentioned here, the jobs are there for the specific skills. As an example a friend of mine has worked as embedded engineer. His contract got over and he went back to India for a while and came bac. It took him a month to get a job. There were not many calls he had. Now the job he got was in Set top box company. He had prior experience in that No other embedded software company approached him like mobile phones/Cars/ other
So in a nutshell. My 2 cents: Seek the specific companies that do the stuff that you think you have specialized in. Else might be good to invest in yourself and become skilled at present job/expand and explore oppurtunities there till economy picks up .or could go for higher degree if you can afford the time and money.

Mr Aman ,

"First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view. "
Dont assume things son .

I came here in student VISA spending lakhs and was then hired by a UK company . My fist Job was with a UK company .

Again i say these INDIAN companies are the biggest reasons why Localites loose Job .

Just if you throw away the first three Big indian companies from UK .
Localites will get thousands of jobs .....

They come here , say the client that they will move job to India and will quote a rate like 100 Â£ / 120 Â£ and say they will give 10 free resources etc and Push the whole project to India and thus spoils the Life of a UK guy who will go jobless and stand on roads begging .....

Forgot to add one important thing .

They take Job to India and make the work done by Just born kids to save money and finally screwup the whole project and pass it back to the client who will bang his head on the wall .....

ashishashah · Post by **ashishashah** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:39 pm

Well, World is flat..If you can get a cheper resource and same quality ,cos. will prefer that..Its simple economics..
If you want to compete with so called "cheap" resources/beggers, try to pull your socks up and do some value addition.
Now you are competing with every 1 in the world ,not just local people

maheshnair · Post by **maheshnair** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:42 pm

ashishashah wrote:Well, World is flat..If you can get a cheper resource and same quality ,cos. will prefer that..Its simple economics..
If you want to compete with so called "cheap" resources/beggers, try to pull your socks up and do some value addition.
Now you are competing with every 1 in the world ,not just local people

Looks like ur tier1 is rejected ?

gotcha · Post by **gotcha** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:55 pm

aman wrote:
WOW!!.. you seem to have achieved the ubiquitous NRI status: Naturally Roundu(cribber) Indian.
Time for a bitter truth for you Mr nair. You have pricked me enough

First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view.

The core lies in creating value, where ever you are who ever you are, indian or NRI(inspite of the cribbing!) or American, Brit etc..

True there are a lot of low quality high quantity pitch thrown about (and thats needed as well), but you got to be blind to not see less but sureely high quality stuff coming out o India. The pay obviously for such professionals is not trivial and that my friend is flat economy for you.
Now I can compare many top notch Indians/others here or home with you and tell you what triviality you have achieved in your life. Let me just say wake up and realize that if its just because you happen to be here you HAVE money or you are creating worth thats why you MAKE money.

What you are saying is of the same league as saying since you are Indian/Nair/NRI/sarkari you should get the job. Well if folks in UK did that I am sure we(including them) will be back in medieval times. Move on Mahesh . If you have these cretches(being here/ localite/ as a reason to getting a job) you will always limp . Collaborate and Seek ladders like the UK economy..thats what the smart ,value seeking guys devised for you..free markets...to grow your value and theirs too not at your or their or anybody's expense but definitely having competition. Live it up or keep cribbing the choice is yours.

Allright now something for this thread:
As folks have mentioned here, the jobs are there for the specific skills. As an example a friend of mine has worked as embedded engineer. His contract got over and he went back to India for a while and came bac. It took him a month to get a job. There were not many calls he had. Now the job he got was in Set top box company. He had prior experience in that No other embedded software company approached him like mobile phones/Cars/ other
So in a nutshell. My 2 cents: Seek the specific companies that do the stuff that you think you have specialized in. Else might be good to invest in yourself and become skilled at present job/expand and explore oppurtunities there till economy picks up .or could go for higher degree if you can afford the time and money.

Could not have put in better words ! Couldn't agree more.

aman · Post by **aman** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:01 pm

maheshnair wrote:
aman wrote:
maheshnair wrote:
coolsats wrote: All big indian companies have already eaten and moved many jobs to India .

It is not the UK job market that is a problem , it is these companies who are creating hell .

I lost my first job as a contractor when one of the Big indian companies came in and offered a rate of a beggar(1/4th) and also buy 1 take 1 resource free etc .

Almost 250 localites lost job from that company because of this Indian company .

They moved whole IT to india and made 250 guys jobless .

Recently the UK company is hiring back contractors as the Indian guys screwed things up and they lost millions of pounds ...

WOW!!.. you seem to have achieved the ubiquitous NRI status: Naturally Roundu(cribber) Indian.
Time for a bitter truth for you Mr nair. You have pricked me enough

First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view.

The core lies in creating value, where ever you are who ever you are, indian or NRI(inspite of the cribbing!) or American, Brit etc..

True there are a lot of low quality high quantity pitch thrown about (and thats needed as well), but you got to be blind to not see less but sureely high quality stuff coming out o India. The pay obviously for such professionals is not trivial and that my friend is flat economy for you.
Now I can compare many top notch Indians/others here or home with you and tell you what triviality you have achieved in your life. Let me just say wake up and realize that if its just because you happen to be here you HAVE money or you are creating worth thats why you MAKE money.

What you are saying is of the same league as saying since you are Indian/Nair/NRI/sarkari you should get the job. Well if folks in UK did that I am sure we(including them) will be back in medieval times. Move on Mahesh . If you have these cretches(being here/ localite/ as a reason to getting a job) you will always limp . Collaborate and Seek ladders like the UK economy..thats what the smart ,value seeking guys devised for you..free markets...to grow your value and theirs too not at your or their or anybody's expense but definitely having competition. Live it up or keep cribbing the choice is yours.

Allright now something for this thread:
As folks have mentioned here, the jobs are there for the specific skills. As an example a friend of mine has worked as embedded engineer. His contract got over and he went back to India for a while and came bac. It took him a month to get a job. There were not many calls he had. Now the job he got was in Set top box company. He had prior experience in that No other embedded software company approached him like mobile phones/Cars/ other
So in a nutshell. My 2 cents: Seek the specific companies that do the stuff that you think you have specialized in. Else might be good to invest in yourself and become skilled at present job/expand and explore oppurtunities there till economy picks up .or could go for higher degree if you can afford the time and money.

Mr Aman ,

"First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view. "
Dont assume things son .

I came here in student VISA spending lakhs and was then hired by a UK company . My fist Job was with a UK company .

Again i say these INDIAN companies are the biggest reasons why Localites loose Job .

Just if you throw away the first three Big indian companies from UK .
Localites will get thousands of jobs .....

They come here , say the client that they will move job to India and will quote a rate like 100 Â£ / 120 Â£ and say they will give 10 free resources etc and Push the whole project to India and thus spoils the Life of a UK guy who will go jobless and stand on roads begging .....

Take some time to digest what I said.
I will try rephrase this for your case.
Why did the localites have those jobs in the first place?
Because of merit or because they were local.
you spend lakhs to get merit or to get the local status?
imagine what a corporation would be reduced to if merit was thrown out and obscure criteria like local/caste/parents influence became the norm. Does sifaarish/donation ring a bell!. There will be no google or microsoft only the jobs that are given as alms. You will eventually be reduced to a beggar.
As for the degree you got paying lakhs, well there are many in India who got through into top colleges in India and studied almost for free. Lots of others pay heavy fees to go privately and then seek excellence at work,
accepting merit as standard.
They are the ones why Indian professionals are being recognized.
Not because someones oldie stashed cash(mostly immorally) and thought they could buy degree and be equal to others.

Now this case of jobs going India. Well if people there make false calims to win buisness, how long do you think they will go. well as you say the flase calim will get them flat on face and they get busted. they get what they deserve. But on the other hand if there is a smart company in India that does an admirable job than people here well they win and hats off. You just weren't good enough. Take it as it really is and improvise.

You are okay to be a slave here to be a master in India. Well pal the Neo Indian professional and the real folks who matter in west would really shove that up.., cause they have earned it.

Look the reason at times for such conflict is because sadly we see slavery in India and keep condoning it..(We got to stop pushing things under carpet even if we can't do anything about it now or later.. Denying like false claims will only make you a worse being. ) From the sweepers child to your uncle in village's son fighting unequal oppurtunities. You start devaluing merit and start giving pre-eminence to luck/special status. You approve the slave master relation. The best bit you could learn here and more so in America is not being a localite, but valuing merit above anything else. Every syetem has pros and cons, try take the pros.. sadly for you from India inspite of the loads of rare pros you seem to have taken the cons.

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