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British Citizenship for Children Born Overseas

Post by chandu2004 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:29 pm

Hi,

My daughter was born in New Zealand in 2006. We came to UK in 2008 and am planning to send my kid to study in india this year which is september 2011 and she will study in India only and she wont come to UK.My question is, when we receive our citizenship in say June 2014, does my kid, who is still in india need to show residency requirements to gain citizenship or what is the procedure for her to gain citizenship after we acquire british citizenship in June 2014.

How can I apply for Citizenship for my daughter after we get British Citizenship in June 2014.

Please help me as I can't find a clear answer on the internet and my decision to send my child to india for study, will be based on this.

Thanks for all your help

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Chandu

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Please can anyone reply

Post by chandu2004 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:19 am

Hi all,

Can please moderators reply to this email. Please Thanks very much.

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Chandu

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Post by vinny » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:32 am

It will be Subject to discretion (3(1)).

I think that she may need to be in the UK to apply (9.17.5).
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Thanks

Post by chandu2004 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:20 pm

Hi Vinny,

Thanks very much for the reply. Which means, I cannot send my kids to India for study, If we are planning to apply for my kids British passport after we get our british passport.

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Chandu

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Post by chandu2004 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:00 am

Can anyone please confirm as some are saying kids won't need to meet residency requirement?

Please Please

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Post by Greenie » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:54 am

Read the Nationality casework instructions particularly chapter 9.17 from page 39

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

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Post by chandu2004 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:01 pm

Hi Greenie,

Thanks very much for the link. I read it and read it, still I can't really understand the terminology as it is very confusing. If you don't mind, can you please tell me, whether my daughter will be eligible as I am totally confused. Thanks for all the senior members, who helped me.

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Chandu

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Post by geriatrix » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:07 pm

Under current rules:
1. AFAIK, under normal circumstances there are no residential requirements for children under 13 (in context of citizenship application).
2. Children born abroad may apply for citizenship under section 3(1) subject to discretion (click on links provided by vinny).
3. Such application cannot be made before either parent is applying for naturalisation (or has been granted British citizenship).
4. As mentioned by vinny, the application may only be made in-country.
5. Use form MN1.

Minors do not apply for naturalisation, but for registration as British citizen.


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Post by Greenie » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:20 pm

In addition to sushdmehta's comments you should also keep in mind what is says at 9.17.2

Future intentions
9.17.2 The most important criterion is that the child's future should clearly be seen to lie in the UK. A reliable indicator should be the applicant's and/or the family's past behaviour. If that suggests an established
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way of life in the UK, and we have no reason to think that this will not continue, we should accept at face value that the child intends to live here.
9.17.3 If there is any information to make us doubt that the child's future lies here, for example:
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the child, or one or both parents, has recently left the country for a period of more than six months
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the child is about to leave the United Kingdom
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one or both parents is resident abroad,
we should write to clear up the point. If our doubts are serious, and we are still not satisfied this criterion is met, the application should be refused.

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Thanks

Post by chandu2004 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:04 pm

Hi all,

Thanks everyone for all your wonderful input. Very much appreciated.

Thanks moderators for answering my queries.

Thanks

Chandu

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Re: Thanks

Post by Christophe » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:20 am

chandu2004 wrote:Hi Vinny,

Thanks very much for the reply. Which means, I cannot send my kids to India for study, If we are planning to apply for my kids British passport after we get our british passport.

Regards

Chandu
Just to clarify: I think what Vinny meant was that she'll need to be physically in the UK at the time of the application, not that she can't study abroad.

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Post by chandu2004 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:28 am

Excellent. So probably in the last year of our ILR, if my kid stays with us in UK and apply for british passport, she should be fine. do I apply for her naturalisation with us or does she needs to be registered as british citizen?

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Post by geriatrix » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:03 pm

sushdmehta wrote:Minors do not apply for naturalisation, but for registration as British citizen.

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Post by chandu2004 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:36 am

Thanks for the wonderful responses. I know am asking too many questions, if anyone don't mind , please can someone send me the link for the form for registration for applying British citizenship children and also link for the guide would be helpful.please please please. There are too many forms on the site, which is confusing.

Thanks all, please please send me the links

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Post by geriatrix » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:07 pm

Click on the links already provided in response(s) above.


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Post by chandu2004 » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:37 am

Thanks everyone for all your replies. Very very appreciated.

Thanks once again moderators.

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Post by Babajee85 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:56 pm

chandu2004 wrote:Thanks everyone for all your replies. Very very appreciated.

Thanks once again moderators.
Can i ask few questions about the Chandu Case:

does your child has to apply for registration again As British after reaching the age of 18. ?

If your child get the British passport and went back to India,can the child come back at the age of 19 back in UK or He has to re-apply for registration as British Citizen.

Please can someone clear the above points.


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Post by Jambo » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:04 pm

Babajee85 wrote:
chandu2004 wrote:Thanks everyone for all your replies. Very very appreciated.

Thanks once again moderators.
Can i ask few questions about the Chandu Case:

does your child has to apply for registration again As British after reaching the age of 18. ?

If your child get the British passport and went back to India,can the child come back at the age of 19 back in UK or He has to re-apply for registration as British Citizen.

Please can someone clear the above points.


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Once a child registers, he becomes BC for life. There is no need to do anything once he reaches 18.

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Post by Babajee85 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:57 pm

Jambo wrote:
Babajee85 wrote:
chandu2004 wrote:Thanks everyone for all your replies. Very very appreciated.

Thanks once again moderators.
Can i ask few questions about the Chandu Case:

does your child has to apply for registration again As British after reaching the age of 18. ?

If your child get the British passport and went back to India,can the child come back at the age of 19 back in UK or He has to re-apply for registration as British Citizen.

Please can someone clear the above points.


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Once a child registers, he becomes BC for life. There is no need to do anything once he reaches 18.
Thanks Jambo for your reply.Please can you clarify few more points.

Me and my daughter both are on ILR. I will due to apply for naturalization in December 2013 .Please can you advise

should my daughter apply using form MN1 form after i get my naturalization OR

should we apply together as Family application.

Please advise.

Thanks

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Re: Thanks

Post by Jambo » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:46 pm

Babajee85 wrote:Me and my daughter both are on ILR. I will due to apply for naturalization in December 2013 .Please can you advise

should my daughter apply using form MN1 form after i get my naturalization OR

should we apply together as Family application.

Please advise.

Thanks
See Q1 in Citizenship FAQs - Common Questions - Read before posting - children.

She can either apply at the same time you do (the outcome of her application would depends on the outcome of our) or apply later.

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Post by Babajee85 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:40 am

Jambo wrote:
Babajee85 wrote:Me and my daughter both are on ILR. I will due to apply for naturalization in December 2013 .Please can you advise

should my daughter apply using form MN1 form after i get my naturalization OR

should we apply together as Family application.

Please advise.

Thanks
See Q1 in Citizenship FAQs - Common Questions - Read before posting - children.

She can either apply at the same time you do (the outcome of her application would depends on the outcome of our) or apply later.
Thanks for your swift reply.
once i will apply for for My naturalization and my daughter for registration, by that time My wife will be still on Tier 1 Dependent visa.Her two years in uk will complete in June 2014.But i will due to apply in December 2013.So should i wait for my wife to get ILR first OR should we(me and my daughter) go ahead with our applications.

Please note my son has already British passport who born here in UK.

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Post by Jambo » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:34 pm

Babajee85 wrote:
Jambo wrote:
Babajee85 wrote:Me and my daughter both are on ILR. I will due to apply for naturalization in December 2013 .Please can you advise

should my daughter apply using form MN1 form after i get my naturalization OR

should we apply together as Family application.

Please advise.

Thanks
See Q1 in Citizenship FAQs - Common Questions - Read before posting - children.

She can either apply at the same time you do (the outcome of her application would depends on the outcome of our) or apply later.
Thanks for your swift reply.
once i will apply for for My naturalization and my daughter for registration, by that time My wife will be still on Tier 1 Dependent visa.Her two years in uk will complete in June 2014.But i will due to apply in December 2013.So should i wait for my wife to get ILR first OR should we(me and my daughter) go ahead with our applications.

Please note my son has already British passport who born here in UK.

Thanks
Was she born in the UK or abroad? If abroad, it would be better to wait with the registration application until your wife has ILR as well.

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Post by neo » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:11 am

Jambo wrote:
Babajee85 wrote:Me and my daughter both are on ILR. I will due to apply for naturalization in December 2013 .Please can you advise

should my daughter apply using form MN1 form after i get my naturalization OR

should we apply together as Family application.

Please advise.

Thanks
See Q1 in Citizenship FAQs - Common Questions - Read before posting - children.

She can either apply at the same time you do (the outcome of her application would depends on the outcome of our) or apply later.

Dear Jambo, I just come across this answer which I'm interested in. How big is the chance if Babajee85's daughter register later on her own? This is relate to my 6-year old daughter's situation which will be similar. Both my wife and I got BC through naturalization(my wife last year and I this year) however our daughter was unfortunately rejected for registration together with my application because she was temporarily abroad(actually returned soon with just 6months gap) when I was applying. The current situation is both parents are BC however daughter is still ILR. We all live in UK and will be in the future. Can I simply register daughter again (just half year after the rejection) when both parents already BC naturalized? I'm worried about this because the MN1 guidance only says "children born abroad to parents who are applying for BC" not "children born abroad to parents who have successfully naturalized BC". It looks like lower chance to register if child is applying on their own. Is it the case? Many thanks.

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Post by Jambo » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:34 am

Child can register the same time as parents or later.

How old is the child? You might want to wait a bit longer just to increase the chances of approval.

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Post by neo » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:30 pm

Thanks Jambo for the reply. She is just 6 and has been living in UK since 3. She was just away for half year because we were refurbishing the hundred-year-old house. shame we overlooked this abroad issue.
Just wondering why the guidance specifically lists the children's registration with parents but doesn't say applying on their own.Thanks indeed.

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