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E.U more worried about Irish Planning Laws than Europeans

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E.U more worried about Irish Planning Laws than Europeans

Post by archigabe » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:43 pm

Seems Like the European Commission is more worried about Property rights in Ireland than the lives of E.U families...Lets make sure we let the European Commission know that they have to get their priorities right.Why would they care about properties in the Irish boondocks when we don't even have rights to stay!

'Locals only' planning rule illegal and discriminatory, says EU

http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 98149.html
By Bernard Purcell and Treacy Hogan
Wednesday June 27 2007

THE controversial 'locals only' and 'must speak Irish' planning rules have been challenged by the EU as illegal and discriminatory.

A landmark EU ruling yesterday will test the Fianna Fail/Greens coalition as the parties are poles apart on the issue of one-off houses in the countryside.

The move will put serious pressure on 22 local authorities to abandon their 'locals only' policies when granting planning permissions.

The EU ordered Ireland to explain why the 22 authorities discriminate in favour of local people.

The EU Commission has written to the Department of Environment asking it to show how its 'local needs' rules do not break several internal-market rules and are not discriminatory.

After months of examining the issue, officials believe the rules break articles 43 and 56 of the EC Treaty which guarantee freedom of establishment and the free movement of capital.

They examined planning rules in Carlow, Clare, Cork, Donegal, Fingal, Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Kilkenny, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Laois, Longford, Limerick, Louth, Offaly, Sligo, Tipperary North and South, Wexford, Westmeath and Wicklow.

These authorities require either residency or family ties to the area before permission for one-off family dwellings is given.

Several authorities require that an applicant be employed locally in agriculture while two counties can insist that an applicant must speak Irish.

The vast majority of EU citizens were unable to claim former residency, family ties or fluency in Irish, said a Commission official.

A 'letter of formal notice' asking how Ireland reconciles the rules with EU law has been sent to Environment Minister John Gormley, who has two months in which to respond.

The letter says: "The Commission requests observations from Ireland on the discriminatory aspects of the restrictions, their objectives, and the proportionality of the measures with the objectives pursued."

The issue is expected to provide one of the first of many expected tests of the Fianna Fail-Green partnership.

Within Fianna Fail many members believe people should be allowed to build on their own land as they see fit while the Green Party favours regulated, sustainable development.

One councillor admitted last night that his local authority was going to have to "revisit" the issue of planning permission to ensure it was not at variance with EU law.

Cllr Dermot Connolly, a member of Galway County Council, said he believed that the EU did not always have the best interests of regions and cultures at hand.

Mr Connolly said local authorities had to have practical measures in place to ensure cultures continued to flourish.

Last year, councillors agreed to make changes to the Galway County Development Plan which meant people in large sections of the county no longer had to fulfil stringent "local" rules when applying for planning permission for a family home.

In Clare, the development plan favours local rural people applying for planning permission.

West Clare councillor PJ Kelly, a member of Clare County Council, said the use of 'locals only' was a controlling mechanism by planners.

Mr Kelly said he agreed with the EU decision and he would be bringing up the issue of revamping the planning laws with the council.

"It's replacement will have to be intelligent, workable, functional and respectable," he said.

Mr Kelly said the moves to restrict planning to locals or Irish speakers had brought the system into disrepute.

In 2005, the Law Society warned that county councils discriminating in favour of family members over planning permissions for one-off rural housing were breaking the law.

The law reform committee of the society informed the Department of the Environment that positive discrimination in some cases breached the Constitution and EU law.

- Bernard Purcell and Treacy Hogan
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Post by BigAppleWoodenShoe » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:07 am

Back in the little village I am from in the Netherlands, this law is also in place. My village cannot 'grow' because it is designated as a rural area, therefore, new building sites first go to local people (family ties, residency, but also financial ties, so if you work there, you're 'one-of-them').

The reason is because of it's proximity to Eindhoven (a big city) the village (2000 people) would turn into a richman's place in no-time, killing off 700 years of village culture (BigApple thinks I'm crazy calling the customs where I am from 'culture' :) )
However, people from outside are allowed to buy existing property. Also, their are areas that are designated for growth (Near Eindhoven that is Helmond and Veldhoven) where everybody can buy a building site.

Now that I have bored you with this dutch info, let's get to the point:
'Irish planners are evil!'
If they could, they would turn everything into suburbia for highest profit, not caring about history or culture, it would look like the US in no time(sorry BigApple)

Actually, for integration of immigrants it is beneficiarry to have migrants working and living in the 'boondocks'. Now, they only stay in he city, people who visited Cork might think they are in Corkow. It's hard picking out the irish between all the foreigners.

This law illustrates that Irish politics is still very corrupt and unfair to outsiders. On the other hand, I have to agree with the topic starter, why do we care. We'd like to have residency, being able to stay in this country, we don't require to build a summerhome in Donegal (just yet).

There are more important issues at hand.
Dutch husband, American wife, applied for a residence card, after 7 months got a Stamp 4 visa for two years. :)

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Post by archigabe » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:36 am

On second thought, this can be a bit of encouraging news that the E.U is actually doing something about Violation of E.U regulations by Ireland.Lets hope they come around to discussing the 'Free labour movement' regulations soon.

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Post by runie80 » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:48 pm

Another Good News

Ireland's first black mayor set to be elected in Portlaoise
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontp ... 65476.html

Dont know if he has any bearing on any decisions yet.
In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

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