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2nd EU Referendum petition

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Casa » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:28 am

My vote goes for a non-sticky.

Perhaps we should have a national referendum to vote for whether there should be another referendum. :|
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by vinny » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:59 am

General election prior to invoking Article 50?
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by ouflak1 » Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:25 pm

Sorry, no. I voted for the first time in 16 years (and my first time ever in the UK) because I realized how important this vote was for myself and for my children. And while my side lost, and I think this is a tragic error and terribly unfair especially to my kids, that's it. If all these people bemoaning the loss had actually gotten off their butts, gotten registered, and gotten to the polls, we wouldn't be in this mess. Lesson learned. Now we've just got to sort all of this out the best we can. It's my understanding that it is part of the British tradition to pull together even in the hardest of times. I'm kind of expecting to see some of that attitude rather soon.
vinny wrote:General election prior to invoking Article 50?
I can't see what good that will do and I could even see it making things worse if more Bremain types are somehow elected back in. No. The only ones who need to be running things now are the Brexiters. They wanted out. So get us out and put the UK, whatever is left of it, in a position to deal with the consequences as best as we can. They are atleast partially responsible for things getting to this point (The EU shares a lot of the blame as well IMO). That responsibility didn't just end with that referendum result. Time to step up.

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by secret.simon » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:23 pm

vinny wrote:General election prior to invoking Article 50?
I think that would be a very good idea.

We are not getting a second referendum. But what can happen is that a new Prime Minister (most likely either BoJo or Theresa May, who is emerging as the Anybody-But-Boris candidate) can have preliminary discussions with the EU about talks to have talks, get a broad understanding of the lay-of-the-land and then go to the country to get a mandate for either triggering or not triggering Article 50.

In a sense, that is our second referendum and I hope that people vote fully understanding the implications of the vote.

As an aside; I seriously hope that Theresa May is the PM. She would have the gravitas and force to conduct serious and forthright negotiations. I am not confident that Boris has either of those qualities. At the end of the day, I want a successful UK, not revenge for lies or whatever others want to hurl at Boris. It is like a marriage. I am looking to spend my life here and I want a successful life for the UK.
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Obie » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:53 pm

vinny wrote:General election prior to invoking Article 50?
Unless UK called a snap poll, I don't think this will be a good thing for the Market or the European Union.

It will cause further uncertainties, and nations will enter recession.
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by sami123 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:00 am

we dont regret it why are you spreading lies we voted to leave E.U and we are proud to be british and happy and not depending on the E.U dont bank second referendum it will not happen and hope BORIS JOHNSON our prime minister
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by vinny » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:07 am

Only time will tell.
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Amber » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:56 am

It was reported on the news this morning that they are investigating this petition as apparently there has been a number of repeated votes by the same person.
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Wanderer » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:03 am

sami123 wrote:we dont regret it why are you spreading lies we voted to leave E.U and we are proud to be british and happy and not depending on the E.U dont bank second referendum it will not happen and hope BORIS JOHNSON our prime minister
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Casa » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:06 am

It members are no longer discussing a 2nd EU Referendum petition, perhaps the thread should be closed to prevent off-topic ramblings. :|
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by vinny » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:13 am

Amber wrote:It was reported on the news this morning that they are investigating this petition as apparently there has been a number of repeated votes by the same person.
Second EU referendum petition investigated for fraud.
Petition for second EU referendum may have been manipulated.
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Casa » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:22 am

vinny wrote:
Amber wrote:It was reported on the news this morning that they are investigating this petition as apparently there has been a number of repeated votes by the same person.
Second EU referendum petition investigated for fraud.
Petition for second EU referendum may have been manipulated.
Hmm. Now there's a surprise. :|
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by vinny » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:24 am

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by njoy1987 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:38 am

People who are signing these petitions are not allowed to vote?

And if they are allowed to vote those are the people that were too lazy to vote. I personally know many people who were sure about the remain campaign winning with flying colours didn't bother voting & now they are moaning about the narrow margin with which the leave campaign succeeded. We have to accept the result whether we like it or not.

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by rooibos » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:56 pm

sami123 wrote:we dont regret it why are you spreading lies we voted to leave E.U and we are proud to be british and happy and not depending on the E.U dont bank second referendum it will not happen and hope BORIS JOHNSON our prime minister
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Obie » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:48 pm

Second Referendum Early day motion put before Parliament.

Not sure how far this will go. We shall see.
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by secret.simon » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:16 pm

It is only an Early Day Motion (EDM). It means nothing.

EDMs are signed by MPs to show the causes that they support. They are used for such important matters of state as congratulating local football clubs and schools.

But they do not have any impact on the ground and are, to the best of my knowledge, never debated.

The only way forward for Parliament to debate this would be on a Back Bench Business Committee motion "taking note" of the petition to have a second referendum.

Alternatively, Labour or the SNP could raise the matter on one of their Opposition Day debates (of which there are 20-Labour 17, SNP 3-in the whole year). The latter course would allow for a substantive motion (a motion asking the government to do something, rather than merely "take note").
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by secret.simon » Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:24 pm

Since we are on the topic of parliamentary debates, here is a quick look at the coming week in Parliament.

On Tuesday, the Lords will have a day-long debate on the results of the EU referendum. Given how popular the topic is, the Lords are sitting early, at 11:30AM (normal timing 2:30 PM) and debating that for the rest of the day (till about 10:30PM, though it can go on later, depending on number of speakers).

Also see an earlier debate on Monday, 27th June.

Also on Tuesday, the Commons will have a short adjournment debate on "Effect of the EU Referendum on the incidence of race hate crime". Be aware that an adjournment debate is time-limited to 30 minutes and generally only two MPs attend, the proposing MP (Yasmin Qureshi) and the responding minister, though given the topicality of the debate I would expect more MPs to attend.
Expected Time to Start: 7:00 PM.

Wednesday is one of the Opposition Day debates that I had mentioned in my previous post and it is possible that Labour may, depending on who is in charge on that day, choose to debate the 2nd EU referendum petition on that day.

On Thursday, the Lords will have a Short Debate (generally about 90 minutes) on "Case for holding a second referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU" being led by Baroness King of Bow (Oona King). Given the day's scheduling, I expect it to start at about 2:30PM.

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Obie » Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:19 pm

Buyers remorse spread to Wales.


Now a majority wants to stay.
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Jellybean105 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:03 pm

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum”.

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The European Union Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015, receiving overwhelming support from Parliament. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.

The EU Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015. The Act was scrutinised and debated in Parliament during its passage and agreed by both the House of Commons and the House of Lords. The Act set out the terms under which the referendum would take place, including provisions for setting the date, franchise and the question that would appear on the ballot paper. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.

As the Prime Minister made clear in his statement to the House of Commons on 27 June, the referendum was one of the biggest democratic exercises in British history with over 33 million people having their say. The Prime Minister and Government have been clear that this was a once in a generation vote and, as the Prime Minister has said, the decision must be respected. We must now prepare for the process to exit the EU and the Government is committed to ensuring the best possible outcome for the British people in the negotiations.

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