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2nd EU Referendum petition

This is the area of this board to discuss the referendum taking place in the UK on 23rd June 2016. Also to discuss the ramifications of the EU-UK deal.

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by ouflak1 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:28 am

Well they tossed that aside without even a second thought didn't they?. Wished they had atleast bothered to mention that the original referendum wasn't binding, or that any negotiation might still result in the UK remaining. These hard line approaches that everybody is taking is worrying. Is nobody interested in making a deal that is reasonable and that everybody can live with?

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by avjones » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:16 pm

All of those matters - turnout, threshold, whatever - needed to be argued about BEFORE the referendum. It's not great to start arguing about them afterwards.

The Act of Parliament passed by a country mile, the majority was huge.
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by vinny » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:07 am

avjones wrote:All of those matters - turnout, threshold, whatever - needed to be argued about BEFORE the referendum. It's not great to start arguing about them afterwards.

The Act of Parliament passed by a country mile, the majority was huge.
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by ryuzaki » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:08 pm

This is all very unsatisfactory.

A Prime Minister with no mandate, trying to implement a "full Brexit" for which she has no mandate either. The referendum only covered EU membership, not the Single Market or freedom of movement.

To cap it all off, she seems to have rejected having a general election, seeming to confirm she intends to rule undemocratically. I hope some of the legal challenges are able to address this.

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Obie » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:47 pm

Debate planned in September for a Second Referendum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36777494
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Ayyubi72 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:18 pm

ryuzaki wrote:This is all very unsatisfactory.

A Prime Minister with no mandate, trying to implement a "full Brexit" for which she has no mandate either. The referendum only covered EU membership, not the Single Market or freedom of movement.

To cap it all off, she seems to have rejected having a general election, seeming to confirm she intends to rule undemocratically. I hope some of the legal challenges are able to address this.
Britain never had a prime minister with a mandate. In case you have not worked out, we have a parliamentary democracy, and the person who commands a majority in the house of commons, becomes the prime minister.

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Ayyubi72 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:19 pm

Obie wrote:Debate planned in September for a Second Referendum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36777494
Losers can't accept the result of mandate. Why not just get rid of all democratic exercise and run the country by petitions.

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by vinny » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:04 pm

It seems to me that permitting false statements by campaigners makes a mockery of democracy.
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by Ayyubi72 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:56 pm

Its more like " I didn't win the lotto. I want a re draw".

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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by vinny » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:48 am

Have the organisers of the lottery made any false claims?
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Re: 2nd EU Referendum petition

Post by ryuzaki » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:22 am

A second referendum is required because the first was was too narrow. Okay, we come out of the EU, but what about the single market? What about freedom of movement?

Scotland will effectively get another referendum in the form of an independence vote, which as ever is rather vague and doesn't define what either option would really look like.

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