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EU & Brexit Deal

This is the area of this board to discuss the referendum taking place in the UK on 23rd June 2016. Also to discuss the ramifications of the EU-UK deal.

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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by softy monster » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:15 pm

The fifth round of the negotiation between the EU and UK concluded yesterday.

We are closer to agreeing all elements of the rights of EU citizens living in the UK and the reciprocal rights of UK citizens living in the EU – but there is more discussion required.

On key issues, such as the broad framework of residence rights for EU citizens and their family members, social security entitlements and reciprocal healthcare, the UK and EU have largely reached agreement.

On remaining areas, both the UK and EU are focussing on providing certainty for citizens as quickly as possible. Discussions this week have narrowed the focus to the key remaining issues for negotiations.

The UK has also provided further information on its settled status scheme to be introduced next year. It will be streamlined, digital and low cost. As we have said previously, you do not need a document now to prove that you are resident in the UK.

For those who already have EU permanent residence documents the process will be very straightforward, with greatly reduced or zero cost to applicants to update their status under the new scheme.

The talks also explored ways to fulfil the Prime Minister’s commitment to implement the Withdrawal Treaty fully into UK law, ensuring consistent interpretation through UK courts being able to take into account CJEU judgments.
(https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... and-the-eu)

We want to reach agreement on all areas as soon as we can, providing certainty for citizens.

The EU Council is meeting next week to discuss whether or not there has been sufficient progress in the current talks to move onto discussion of wider issues. Whatever the EU Council’s decision, safeguarding the status of EU citizens in the UK and UK nationals in the EU will remain a priority for the UK. As the Prime Minister said this week, “we want you to stay”.

Our negotiating position continues to be based on the proposal we outlined in June: safeguarding the position of EU citizens in the UK and UK nationals in the EU, with updates provided as the negotiations progress.
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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by Manchester171 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:50 am

The conservative party will not reach to any real deal with the EU. They are trying to shift the public opinions to support a second referendum or at least to stay in the EU until the election in 2022. After that, if the Labour party will win the election they will have to deal with the new UK out of Europe with no deal as a feather in the air. They are just wasting time and prolong it as much as they can.

On Sunday, the former Brexit minister David Jones said Britain should be prepared to suspend negotiations at this week’s European Council meeting until the EU was prepared to negotiate further on the financial settlement and begin talks on future trade terms.

Theresa May failing to inform public of 'very serious' threat of no deal Brexit

May and Davis to travel to Brussels for urgent Brexit talks

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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by Manchester171 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:06 pm

This type of news is confirming what I mentioned above about pushing the public for a second referendum. I believe the EU council have been assured by Mrs May that the two years transitional period are for changing the public opinion.

Reverse Brexit, to avoid the crippling of the British economy.

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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by Obie » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:58 pm

Then we have David Davis complaining that there will be no transition without a deal first.

This is crazy, brexit is a total utter mess. It is unbelievable how irresponsible a government can be.

We are 17 months away from Brexit, and it is still unclear how things will go.
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Message to EU citizens living in the UK

Post by rooibos » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:37 am

I've just received this email. Bold is mine.


Message to EU citizens living in the UK
The Prime Minister
hocommunications@communications.homeoffice.gov.uk
To:
Rooibos
Date:
19 October 2017, 07:08

10 Downing Street



Dear Rooibos


As I travel to Brussels today, I know that many people will be looking to us – the leaders of the 28 nations in the European Union – to demonstrate we are putting people first.

I have been clear throughout this process that citizens’ rights are my first priority. And I know my fellow leaders have the same objective: to safeguard the rights of EU nationals living in the UK and UK nationals living in the EU.

I want to give reassurance that this issue remains a priority, that we are united on the key principles, and that the focus over the weeks to come will be delivering an agreement that works for people here in the UK, and people in the EU.

When we started this process, some accused us of treating EU nationals as bargaining chips. Nothing could have been further from the truth. EU citizens who have made their lives in the UK have made a huge contribution to our country. And we want them and their families to stay. I couldn’t be clearer: EU citizens living lawfully in the UK today will be able to stay.

But this agreement will not only provide certainty about residence, but also healthcare, pensions and other benefits. It will mean that EU citizens who have paid into the UK system – and UK nationals into the system of an EU27 country – can benefit from what they’ve put in. It will enable families who have built their lives together in the EU and UK to stay together. And it will provide guarantees that the rights of those UK nationals currently living in the EU, and EU citizens currently living in the UK will not diverge over time.

What that leaves us with is a small number of important points to finalise. That is to be expected at this point in negotiations. We are in touching distance of agreement. I know both sides will consider each other's proposals for finalising the agreement with an open mind. And with flexibility and creativity on both sides, I am confident that we can conclude discussions on citizens’ rights in the coming weeks.

I know there is real anxiety about how the agreement will be implemented. People are concerned that the process will be complicated and bureaucratic, and will put up hurdles that are difficult to overcome. I want to provide reassurance here too.

We are developing a streamlined digital process for those applying for settled status in the UK in the future. This process will be designed with users in mind, and we will engage with them every step of the way. We will keep the cost as low as possible – no more than the cost of a UK passport. The criteria applied will be simple, transparent and strictly in accordance with the Withdrawal Agreement. People applying will not have to account for every trip they have taken in and out of the UK and will no longer have to demonstrate Comprehensive Sickness Insurance as they currently have to under EU rules. And importantly, for any EU citizen who holds Permanent Residence under the old scheme, there will be a simple process put in place to swap their current status for UK settled status.

To keep development of the system on track, the Government is also setting up a User Group that will include representatives of EU citizens in the UK, and digital, technical and legal experts. This group will meet regularly, ensuring the process is transparent and responds properly to users’ needs. And we recognise that British nationals living in the EU27 will be similarly concerned about potential changes to processes after the UK leaves the EU. We have repeatedly flagged these issues during the negotiations. And we are keen to work closely with EU Member States to ensure their processes are equally streamlined.

We want people to stay and we want families to stay together. We hugely value the contributions that EU nationals make to the economic, social and cultural fabric of the UK. And I know that Member States value equally UK nationals living in their communities. I hope that these reassurances, alongside those made by both the UK and the European Commission last week, will provide further helpful certainty to the four million people who were understandably anxious about what Brexit would mean for their futures.


Yours sincerely

Theresa May, Prime Minister


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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by softy monster » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:36 am

I’ve got the same email too, however I’m just wondering if there will be any fees (as mentioned no more than the cost of UK passport) to pay for this simple process or is it going to be free of charge for the swap

And importantly, for any EU citizen who holds Permanent Residence under the old scheme, there will be a simple process put in place to swap their current status for UK settled status.”
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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by rooibos » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:16 am

softy monster wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:36 am
I’ve got the same email too, however I’m just wondering if there will be any fees (as mentioned no more than the cost of UK passport) to pay for this simple process or is it going to be free of charge for the swap

And importantly, for any EU citizen who holds Permanent Residence under the old scheme, there will be a simple process put in place to swap their current status for UK settled status.”
I don't think they have a clue. This is just posturing. As long as the Tories are in power there will be no Brexit deal. This is what most of the Tory electorate wants.

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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by Mugen » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:35 am

At the moment brp replacement card cost £56, so I think it should cost no more that that and easy 1 page online application.

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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by softy monster » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:37 pm

Mugen wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:35 am
At the moment brp replacement card cost £56, so I think it should cost no more that that and easy 1 page online application.
I guess you meant £65!
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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by Mugen » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:55 pm

softy monster wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:37 pm
Mugen wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:35 am
At the moment brp replacement card cost £56, so I think it should cost no more that that and easy 1 page online application.
I guess you meant £65!
£65 is a cost of pr application, but according to PM it will be “simple swap”. IMHO it shouldn’t cost more than a price of plastic card with a chip inside and some other small charges to process it. Replace current brp card cost £56 and its maximum what should people pay, who already went through 85 page application and acquired eea pr.
https://www.gov.uk/biometric-residence-permits/replace
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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by vinny » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:54 pm

This is not intended to be legal or professional advice in any jurisdiction. Please click on any given links for further information. Refer to the source of any quotes.
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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by Richard W » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:53 pm

fatimahh wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:09 am
If i understand your point - once you have PR even if divorced you may benefit from the simpler process like an European with PR. However if you only have ROR, you may loose your right to reside.
No, I meant the exact opposite. All the reports and declarations indicate that a retained right of residence will be 'respected' as at present. On the other hand, I see nothing about respecting permanent residence under the EEA Regulations irrespective of how it was obtained.

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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by Mugen » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:52 pm

Further details on EU Citizens status after Brexit
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... THE_UK.pdf

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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by rooibos » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:51 pm

Mugen wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:52 pm
Further details on EU Citizens status after Brexit
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... THE_UK.pdf
And comment here:
https://www.freemovement.org.uk/settled ... ns-brexit/

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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by Manchester171 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:34 pm

Are the non-EU who are the family members of EU, will use the same simple process to apply for PR same as EU citizens?

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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by bruteforce » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:12 pm

and right when Mrs May started to think things were going her way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42217735

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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by secret.simon » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:29 pm

Despite today’s failure, it looks more likely than ever that a Brexit deal will be done
Perhaps I am cynical, but it is almost as if today was choreographed to strengthen Theresa May’s position - John Rentoul in the Independent.

Also, a thread on Twitter on why things may not be as bad as they seem.
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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by Obie » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:33 pm

Mrs May looked weak , wobbly and a pathetic excuse for a Prime Minister.

I have always thought Brexit is shipwrecked. Nothing good can every come out it, it will all end in tears.

UK is in a very weak position in these negotiations .
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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by bruteforce » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:40 pm

I suspect she will just give up & quit at some point, just like Cameron.

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Re: EU & Brexit Deal

Post by mkhan2525 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:23 pm

May isn't the type of person who will give up power easily. Either she is forced out by her party or the DUP will end up pulling the rug beneath her feet. The latter is still a possibility if the government conceeds to keeping Northern Ireland in the Single Market and Customs Union.

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