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Jacob Rees-Mogg: EU nationals will have no right to stay

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Jacob Rees-Mogg: EU nationals will have no right to stay

Post by rooibos » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:43 pm

Finally the Brexiteers' mask slips:

Letter from Jacob Rees-Mogg to Lord Adonis:
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/fc5611_c ... 4e330e.pdf

Page 3:
I do not believe there should be any special terms for EU migrants. Once we have left the EU there will be no legal basis to treat them differently from migrants from non-EU countries.
Start packing your bags!

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Re: Jacob Rees-Mogg: EU nationals will have no right to stay

Post by Ffmuni » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:21 am

If by no ‘legal basis to treat them differently’ than any other group, he means that the current legal status for EU citizens ceases with no replacement rights to be here being granted en masse; then what would be the position of the 3+ million EU citizens currently here?

Would it not mean for the vast majority they would be considered here illegally and would have to apply for visa’s etc? Imagine the mayhem in the HO processing and dealing with 3+ million applications from people who may suddenly be determined to be here as illegals.

10% of NHS Drs and 17% of Dentists are EU citizens, alone for the health secctor Rees Moggs’ vision would cause problems.

Morally and practically an arrangement similar to the Settled Status already announced is necessary for the Country. I have no doubt that Rees Mogg’s letter is merely a bit of sabre rattling in the war of political divisions now existing.

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Re: Jacob Rees-Mogg: EU nationals will have no right to stay

Post by rooibos » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:38 am

Ffmuni wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:21 am
I have no doubt that Rees Mogg’s letter is merely a bit of sabre rattling in the war of political divisions now existing.
It's safe to assume the worst. Murphy's Law applies to Brexit, too.

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Re: Jacob Rees-Mogg: EU nationals will have no right to stay

Post by secret.simon » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:13 pm

Ffmuni wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:21 am
If by no ‘legal basis to treat them differently’ than any other group, he means that the current legal status for EU citizens ceases with no replacement rights to be here being granted en masse; then what would be the position of the 3+ million EU citizens currently here?

Would it not mean for the vast majority they would be considered here illegally and would have to apply for visa’s etc? Imagine the mayhem in the HO processing and dealing with 3+ million applications from people who may suddenly be determined to be here as illegals.

10% of NHS Drs and 17% of Dentists are EU citizens, alone for the health secctor Rees Moggs’ vision would cause problems.

Morally and practically an arrangement similar to the Settled Status already announced is necessary for the Country. I have no doubt that Rees Mogg’s letter is merely a bit of sabre rattling in the war of political divisions now existing.
I think he means prospectively. That is to say that EEA citizens arriving in future (after Brexit) ought to be treated on par with non-EEA citizens (no free movement, they will be expected to have documentation if moving for a job, financial requirements to be met for spousal visa, that kind of thing). And it seems that Theresa May and Sajid Javid (the former and current Home Secretaries) will likely go with such a plan.

The Times (paywall) - Theresa May toughens up immigration rules to counter Tory rebellion on Brexit
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Downing Street has summoned the c abinet to a special meeting on September 24, less than a week before the party gathers in Birmingham. Immigration is expected to feature during that meeting and c abinet ministers have been promised a discussion on immigration before the conference, sources told The Times.

Mrs May is expected to force ministers to sign up to a tough post-Brexit system with the help of Sajid Javid, the home secretary.
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The migration scheme after Britain leaves is likely to end preferential access for EU citizens and could subject non-EU citizens to equal restrictions. It could involve visas for EU citizens who want to live in Britain.

Mrs May and Mr Javid are united in a desire for a global migration scheme despite doubts among some c abinet colleagues, including Philip Hammond, the chancellor, and Greg Clark, the business secretary.

Senior Whitehall figures anticipate a stand-off and any announcement could yet be delayed.
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The details are still to be agreed by the government, although a tough system could result in anyone from the EU who wants to live in Britain for more than six months needing a visa.
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On the other hand, a reason for non-EEA citizens to vote for Labour.
(Diane Abbot, Shadow Home Secretary) said Labour would scrap the income requirement for migrants bringing over family members
I am not a lawyer or immigration advisor. My statements/comments do not constitute legal advice. E&OE. Please do not PM me for advice.

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Re: Jacob Rees-Mogg: EU nationals will have no right to stay

Post by fielddrive » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:39 pm

If you have been in the UK for 5+ years, just apply for a PR card. It costs very little and secures your residency.

Guess what impact Brexit has on an EU national with a PR card. Yeap. Zilch. Nada.

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Re: Jacob Rees-Mogg: EU nationals will have no right to stay

Post by rooibos » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:21 am

fielddrive wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:39 pm
If you have been in the UK for 5+ years, just apply for a PR card. It costs very little and secures your residency.

Guess what impact Brexit has on an EU national with a PR card. Yeap. Zilch. Nada.
Just shows you have no clue of what you're talking about.

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