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I honestly don't think that those who have already been given resident cards will be affected. In any case there will be transitional laws to accommodate those who are already enjoying the freedom of movement with the current regulations. What is possibly going to happen is that those who apply after the new regulations have been put in place will have to meet the requirements. But again this are proposals that will have to go through the EU parliament and might not be accommodated by the EU courts. We will have to wait and see. Meanwhile let's hope that the UK supreme Court will overturn Theresa May's threshold requirements that has made many UK families to suffer. It will be discussed soonnemerkh wrote:And do you think the new laws will be applying for existing people like myself? Doesnt the law start apply from the date its introduced or can they backtrack it?
357mag wrote:the appeal on the 22nd will kill the financial requirement
The appeal is being heard from the 22nd to the 24th. And the judgement won't be delivered for a while. From the dates of recent Supreme Court judgements, I expect a ruling in about six months time.nyabs wrote:Meanwhile let's hope that the UK supreme Court will overturn Theresa May's threshold requirements that has made many UK families to suffer. It will be discussed soon
Given the state of the opposition at the moment, it seems highly unlikely. Political & ideological purity don't win elections.357mag wrote:a change of government in a couple of years
Anti-discrimation rules suggest no. 1 (though I'm not sure how the German would get his livret de famille). However, I'm not sure, as Frenchmen can't bring their fiancées to the UK. No. 2 might be tricky - I'm not sure that EU nationals can get French work permits! (For comparison, UK citizens can't get visas to come to the UK.)liksah wrote:German national with Chinese spouse (who never lived in the EU) wants to move to France. Now, France should apply national legislation. Which national legislation? The laws that they have to reunify are:
1. French citizens with their spouses?
2. Non-EU citizens with their non-EU spouses? (like Indian-Indian couples working in France)
3. EU citizens with their non-EU spouses? (the earlier used transposition of Directive 2004/38/EC)
So which one should France pick? I suppose the outcome the UK is hoping for is ... changing 3. to be more like 2. or 1. ? But which one?
It's not clear whether lapsed residence will count. If you replace 'is currently not living' by 'who has never lived', the answer is 'correct', except that there may be some fuzziness between EU and EEA + Switzerland. As to residence in Greenland while it was in the EU...crunchycracker wrote: 1) if a EU national currently living in the UK marries a non-EU citizen that is currently not living in the UK/ EU, the non-EU citizen will not be able to move to the UK based on the fact that the EU national is now in the UK exercising his treaty rights
Correct. However, they can move together to an EU country where the EU national has never lived.crunchycracker wrote: 2) EU national living in the UK marrying a non-EU spouse who is currently living in the UK on a valid visa such as Tier 2 General won't allow the non-EU spouse to stay in the UK on the basis that the EU national is exercising his/ her treaty rights
Wrong, assuming the non-EU spouse was lawfully resident in the EU national's home country. This is the prototypical freedom of movement case, allowing an EU national and his family to move around. (The prototype ignores how the non-EU spouse got there in the first place.)crunchycracker wrote: 3) If a EU national living in his home-country marries a non-EU spouse in the EU national's home country, then the EU national won't be able to bring his non-EU spouse to the UK because the non-EU spouse do not have prior lawful residence in the UK
Yes.crunchycracker wrote: 4) It also says in the draft that the non-EU spouse will be subject to the host countries' immigration laws. Does that mean that in order for EU citizens to bring their non-EU spouse to the UK, the EU citizen will be subject to the same immigration laws as per UK citizens, i.e. minimum income threshold etc.
Correct. The one prediction I've seen is around the new year, give or take a few months.crunchycracker wrote: Also if UK votes to stay in the EU, when will these new regulations be put into practice? It says in the draft that the proposal will be submitted - does that mean that it will have to pass through the EU parliament before these changes will happen? Meaning that unlike benefits to EU citizens, the amendment free-movement rights will not happen overnight once UK votes to leave (unlike benefits/ welfare payments that will be in effect UK votes to stay in the EU) but will be subject to it passing through the EU parliament and the ECJ before it can materialise?
It's needed because of the ridiculous English language requirement.mkhan2525 wrote:If the requirement is abolished or reduced to meet the requirement of the minimum wage then HO may not implement the changes on SS route since there would be no need to follow this route to bring over a spouse.
A person settled in the UK does not have an unconditional right to bring his non-EU children or spouse to the UK. Non-British EU citizens are currently privileged in this respect.juditali wrote:according to their point of view they cannot totally scrap EU family member rights regardless the nationality as its against EU human right and UK human right as well . like they have to give resident permit to the direct family member (spouse, husband , wife , children ) of legal person in this country (with legal status e.g EU Citizen)
What's ridiculous about it?ryuzaki wrote:It's needed because of the ridiculous English language requirement.mkhan2525 wrote:If the requirement is abolished or reduced to meet the requirement of the minimum wage then HO may not implement the changes on SS route since there would be no need to follow this route to bring over a spouse.
It is supposed to ensure integration, but if that were the case it would be a requirement to integrate.Wanderer wrote:What's ridiculous about it?
Note that this assume that the marriage is the non-EU national's first marriage. It is possible that a previous marriage to an EU national may have disqualified said non-EU spouse. However, whether that previous marriage actually disqualifies will depend on the precise wording of the directive and its transpositions into national law. The meaning of the second disqualifying condition is dependent on the difference between "the host state" and "a host state"! This could cause fun translating the directive into languages without articles!Richard W wrote:Wrong, assuming the non-EU spouse was lawfully resident in the EU national's home country. This is the prototypical freedom of movement case, allowing an EU national and his family to move around. (The prototype ignores how the non-EU spouse got there in the first place.)crunchycracker wrote: 3) If a EU national living in his home-country marries a non-EU spouse in the EU national's home country, then the EU national won't be able to bring his non-EU spouse to the UK because the non-EU spouse do not have prior lawful residence in the UK
RichardW, I don't know if I necessarily agree with your reply to this question, as a non-EU spouse on a Tier 2 Visa is technically 'lawfully residing' in the UK.Richard W wrote:crunchycracker wrote:Correct. However, they can move together to an EU country where the EU national has never lived.crunchycracker wrote: 2) EU national living in the UK marrying a non-EU spouse who is currently living in the UK on a valid visa such as Tier 2 General won't allow the non-EU spouse to stay in the UK on the basis that the EU national is exercising his/ her treaty rights
But remember that EEA Regulations are not Immigration Rules. They are made under different Acts of Parliament and behave in different ways. For instance, the Immigration Rules are tougher, but have some discretion that can be exercised. The EEA Regulations do not have discretion. You either meet the requirements 100% or you don't.the3rdman wrote:No one knows for sure. However, in the past, especially with other immigration rules in the UK, the date of application is the date in which respective immigration rules apply. Meaning, applications are considered under the rules that are in force at the date of application.