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UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

This is the area of this board to discuss the referendum taking place in the UK on 23rd June 2016. Also to discuss the ramifications of the EU-UK deal.

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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by alvarez0306 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:19 am

Yeah of course it's lost on me. Or I actually look at your post to what it really is; a negative scare mongering and unhelpful post on an immigration forum.
Oh and no need to put a hyperlink on the Cassandra word, I knew who it was but thanks for the link anyway very informative

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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by Casa » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:30 am

+1 @secret.simon for both posts. I'm reminded of "If you don't like the message, please don't shoot the messenger" :wink:
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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by ohara » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:32 am

Suspension of the Schengen area is quite a serious thing. If that actually happens then nobody can deny the EU is in trouble and needs to sort itself out.

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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by secret.simon » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:34 am

alvarez0306 wrote:Or I actually look at your post to what it really is; a negative scare mongering and unhelpful post on an immigration forum.
Then you see it incorrectly. It was meant as an informative post that shows the possibilities of what can happen, given the news in Europe. Given the fact that most of the posts in these forums are all positive and gung-ho, a note of sobriety and reflection is not negativity or scare-mongering, but only perceived as so by people who would rather bury their head in the sand.
alvarez0306 wrote:Oh and no need to put a hyperlink on the Cassandra word, I knew who it was but thanks for the link anyway very informative
Not everybody is as well-educated as you.
ohara wrote:Suspension of the Schengen area is quite a serious thing. If that actually happens then nobody can deny the EU is in trouble and needs to sort itself out.
It will certainly be an impetus to reform of the EU, at least of its hitherto free movement principles. Germany and Sweden, by their open-armed welcome of refugees, may just have destroyed the European dream.
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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by ohara » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:45 am

More and more I can see a Brexit happening :oops:

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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by secret.simon » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:49 am

ohara wrote:More and more I can see a Brexit happening :oops:
I do not see a Brexit happening. But I certainly see a much changed and much diminished EU. An EU more like a customs union and a co-ordination committee than a political body in its own right.
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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by alvarez0306 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:06 pm

ohara wrote:More and more I can see a Brexit happening :oops:

Will not affect us mate or the people who are in the middle of applying for citizenship. If Britain does vote to leave, it will undoubtedly have to sort some exit agreement with the rest of the European Union which could take up to two years. People in the middle of applying for British citizenship will have sorted themselves out way before then

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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by rooibos » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:08 pm

ohara wrote:More and more I can see a Brexit happening :oops:
I see it more likely that Scotland leaves the UK than the UK leaves the EU. But should the latter happen, than the earlier would follow immediately.

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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by alvarez0306 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:12 pm

rooibos wrote:
ohara wrote:More and more I can see a Brexit happening :oops:
I see it more likely that Scotland leaves the UK than the UK leaves the EU. But should the latter happen, than the earlier would follow immediately.
Can Definetly see Scotland looking to leave uk if U.K. Leaves the eu

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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by secret.simon » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:09 am

alvarez0306 wrote:Can Definetly see Scotland looking to leave uk if U.K. Leaves the eu
I doubt it. Scotland would be foolish to leave the UK with the current low price of oil and the fact that most of its corporate wealth is in banks such as Lloyds, HBOS and RBS, which would relocate to the rUK in the event of a referendum to leave the UK.

Out-out? Don’t assume Scotland would want to stay in the EU if the UK votes to leave

A British departure from the EU will not inevitably lead to Scottish independence. Referenda are always unpredictable.

Also for those aware of British history, the reason for Scotland joining the UK was because it was broke, in the early part of the 18th century, due to the Darien Scheme. England insisted on a merger to ensure stability of Scottish finances. It is eerily reminiscent of the Eurozone debt crisis and the push towards monetary and fiscal policy being consolidated and centralised across the Eurozone.

ABBA did get it so right in 1974-"the history book on the shelf is always repeating itself" (Waterloo; at 0:22 into the song).
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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by alvarez0306 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:01 am

secret.simon wrote:
alvarez0306 wrote:Can Definetly see Scotland looking to leave uk if U.K. Leaves the eu
I doubt it. Scotland would be foolish to leave the UK with the current low price of oil and the fact that most of its corporate wealth is in banks such as Lloyds, HBOS and RBS, which would relocate to the rUK in the event of a referendum to leave the UK.

Out-out? Don’t assume Scotland would want to stay in the EU if the UK votes to leave

A British departure from the EU will not inevitably lead to Scottish independence. Referenda are always unpredictable.

Also for those aware of British history, the reason for Scotland joining the UK was because it was broke, in the early part of the 18th century, due to the Darien Scheme. England insisted on a merger to ensure stability of Scottish finances. It is eerily reminiscent of the Eurozone debt crisis and the push towards monetary and fiscal policy being consolidated and centralised across the Eurozone.

ABBA did get it so right in 1974-"the history book on the shelf is always repeating itself" (Waterloo; at 0:22 into the song).
I wouldn't be so sure. The snp have made it clear that they will push for a second referendum on independence of the U.K. Was to vote to leave the eu and they were dragged out against their wishes. Nicola sturgeon is a very influential and popular person in Scotland, so i personally believe that they would have at least another referendum on Scotland's independence. The outcome on that second referendum I'm unsure of but I can see it being likely that Scotland could leave the uk
Again, this is my personal opinion, and not taken from any trustworthy sites such as 'wikipedia'

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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by Casa » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:19 am

alvarez0306 wrote:
secret.simon wrote:
alvarez0306 wrote:Can Definetly see Scotland looking to leave uk if U.K. Leaves the eu
I doubt it. Scotland would be foolish to leave the UK with the current low price of oil and the fact that most of its corporate wealth is in banks such as Lloyds, HBOS and RBS, which would relocate to the rUK in the event of a referendum to leave the UK.

Out-out? Don’t assume Scotland would want to stay in the EU if the UK votes to leave

A British departure from the EU will not inevitably lead to Scottish independence. Referenda are always unpredictable.

Also for those aware of British history, the reason for Scotland joining the UK was because it was broke, in the early part of the 18th century, due to the Darien Scheme. England insisted on a merger to ensure stability of Scottish finances. It is eerily reminiscent of the Eurozone debt crisis and the push towards monetary and fiscal policy being consolidated and centralised across the Eurozone.

ABBA did get it so right in 1974-"the history book on the shelf is always repeating itself" (Waterloo; at 0:22 into the song).
I wouldn't be so sure. The snp have made it clear that they will push for a second referendum on independence of the U.K. Was to vote to leave the eu and they were dragged out against their wishes. Nicola sturgeon is a very influential and popular person in Scotland, so i personally believe that they would have at least another referendum on Scotland's independence. The outcome on that second referendum I'm unsure of but I can see it being likely that Scotland could leave the uk
Again, this is my personal opinion, and not taken from any trustworthy sites such as 'wikipedia'
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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by alvarez0306 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:51 am

"A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots."
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"The problem with internet quotes is that you cant always depend on their accuracy" -Abraham Lincoln, 1864.
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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by Casa » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:58 am

Good old Abe...well ahead of his time. :roll:
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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by secret.simon » Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:59 am

Casa, you have a wealth of apposite quotes.

alvarez0306, your excellent use of sarcasm shows you have truly become British.

Of the links that I provided, all but one were from sources other than Wikipedia, while the article from Wikipedia had sufficiently robust links referenced in it for it to warrant me taking it seriously.

As you are something of a doubter-which is not a bad thing. Indeed, I consider myself one as well-here is a quote with a link that I believe you would find impeccable.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.- Page 284 of The Life of Reason by George Santayana.

As an aside, I heartily recommend the book. It was so distracting that it delayed my response to this interesting thread.

Nicola Sturgeon has stated that she will only call for a referendum if she is confident that there is a strong chance she will win it. Given that in the event of Scottish independence, Scotland actually does have a lot to lose (Uncertain EU membership and currency status to begin with, practically no resources of significant value, and as an external border of the EU, the Scottish government may have no control of its only land border), I do not think that the Scottish people will rush head first towards the independence door. And if they were to, good fortune to them. It will be the EU who has to bail them out this time, not England.
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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by alvarez0306 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:54 pm

secret.simon wrote:Casa, you have a wealth of apposite quotes.

alvarez0306, your excellent use of sarcasm shows you have truly become British.

Of the links that I provided, all but one were from sources other than Wikipedia, while the article from Wikipedia had sufficiently robust links referenced in it for it to warrant me taking it seriously.

As you are something of a doubter-which is not a bad thing. Indeed, I consider myself one as well-here is a quote with a link that I believe you would find impeccable.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.- Page 284 of The Life of Reason by George Santayana.

As an aside, I heartily recommend the book. It was so distracting that it delayed my response to this interesting thread.

Nicola Sturgeon has stated that she will only call for a referendum if she is confident that there is a strong chance she will win it. Given that in the event of Scottish independence, Scotland actually does have a lot to lose (Uncertain EU membership and currency status to begin with, practically no resources of significant value, and as an external border of the EU, the Scottish government may have no control of its only land border), I do not think that the Scottish people will rush head first towards the independence door. And if they were to, good fortune to them. It will be the EU who has to bail them out this time, not England.
I believe the fact I have a south London accent, have lived in England since I was 4, (I am now 27), have been educated here up to university and that I have been a serving member of a police force in this country for six years would make me more British then 'foreign'. The sarcasm probably runs through the family ;-)

the Scotland independence is just my opinion. I'm not saying it will happen 100% but I believe there is a very very strong possibility it will happen. Earlier I said it would 'Definetly' happen; I was perhaps speaking very premature.

Ps- the Wikipedia jibe was just banter not an attack :)

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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by secret.simon » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:46 am

Trinity College Cambridge is appealing to EU migrants in the UK to participate in research to help inform public debate ahead of the referendum on EU membership.

More information: http://www.trin.cam.ac.uk/news/eu-migra ... w-research.

I urge all of you reading this who fit the description to respond. It is in all our interests to have a well-informed discussion and debate.

As parts of the research is looking at legal aspects, I would also suggest that those of you doing the Surinder Singh route also contact the project to give them a deeper understanding of UK citizens invoking EU laws.

Also, I recommend the excellent list of evidence-based blogs on Brexit in this post on the LSE Brexit blog.

Note to mods: I was not sure if this post is better suitable for a post in this thread or a new thread or possibly even a sticky for a period of time. I leave that decision to your discretion.
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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by secret.simon » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:39 am

We are now approaching the final stretch of the renegotiations, with the European Council discussing them on 18th and 19th February. If they were accepted, the referendum will almost certainly be on 23rd June 2016.

Some interesting blog posts exploring the issues further.

The Proposed New Legal Settlement of the UK with the EU - This article looks whether the draft settlement can be made legally binding in international law rather than in EU law.

The Draft Renegotiation Deal: EU Immigration Issues - This article looks at the draft negotiations in more detail.
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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by hsn86 » Sat May 21, 2016 12:13 pm

Useful information here;

http://www.strongerin.co.uk/

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Re: UK EU referendum confirmed for summer 2016

Post by rooibos » Sun May 22, 2016 7:01 pm

hsn86 wrote:Useful information here;

http://www.strongerin.co.uk/
Useful to whom?

The electorate doesn't want facts. They want cheap and simple catchphrases, like: "Turkey will join the EU in October, 12 million Muslims to invade Britain, and YOU pay!" That sort of things.

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