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rozenwasser
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Refused for overstay. Need advice please.

Post by rozenwasser » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:31 pm

Here is my situation. I had a 6 month fiancee visa , did not get married and overstayed by some 4 months. now when back in my country I applied for 2 year visitors visa and was refused with 1 year ban according to new rules ( which I , stupid git , did not looked through before applying). Now, please tell me if I can still apply for another fiancee visa before the 1 year ban ends? Me and my girlfriend(she is uk citizen) are still very much together and do genuinly want to get married.
Thanks for your help

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Post by stmellon » Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:09 pm

If you've been banned from applying for 1 year, why would you be allowed to apply before the end of the ban?

That's like a child being grounded for a month, but still expects to go to their friend's party at the Weekend because they **really** want to go!

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Post by William Blake » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:32 am

Well if you were in the UK from 17 March till 1 October and left voluntarily then the concession may have applied to you. So I am interested to know when you left and when you applied.

I am sorry you got banned. I read this here:

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/ecg/chapte ... 0seventeen



It is guidance for Entry clearance officers:

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26.17.3 Do I have to accept an application from a person who has breached UK immigration laws?

Yes, you must continue to accept these applications. But you must automatically refuse the application under paragraph 320(7B) of the Rules unless rule 320(7B) does not apply to the applicant (please read below).


So you can certainly apply.

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26.17.4 When does rule 320(7B) not apply? [Updated 9 July 2008]

Under paragraph 320(7C) of the immigration rules, You must also not refuse an applicant under 320(7B) if they are applying in the following categories:

Spouse, civil partner, unmarried or same-sex partner (Paragraphs 281 or 295A);
Fiance(e), or proposed civil partner (Paragraph 290);
Parent, grandparent or other dependant relatvie (Paragraph 317);
Spouse, civil partner, or unmarried or same-sex partner of a refugee or person with humanitarian protection (Paragraphs 352A, AA, FA. FD);
Those applying to exercise rights of access to a child (Paragraph 246);
They were under the age of 18 at the time of the most recent breach of the UK’s immigration laws.
As concessions outside the Rules, you should also not refuse an applicant under 320(7B) if:

The applicant has been accepted by UKBA as a victim of trafficking (please read 26.17.6 below);
the applicant was in the UK illegally on or after 17 March 2008 (date of announcement) and left the UK voluntarily before 1 October 2008 (please read 26.17.5 below).


What I dont know is whether having already been banned as a result of the visitor visa application you can get leave as a fiance. Also if you applied for visitor visa nad now want fiance visa ECO may get suspicious. More experienced memebrs on this forum may be able to shed further light on this matter.


Also I would personally like to ask a question to the forum as I do not understand what the concession is exactly:

Is it possible that under the concession someone who overstayed and left voluntarily before 1 October 2008 could be refused for overstaying but not given a ban? ie. does the concession exempt one from a refusal as a consequence of overstying or does it only exempt one from the ban?

Or is it the case that since overstaying is to be met by an automatic ban under the postponed new rules the concession which means one is not banned also implies that one is not refused for overstaying under the concession? In other words I mean if you qualify for the concession you can't be refused for overstaying. Is that the case?

Note here again:

26.17.3 Do I have to accept an application from a person who has breached UK immigration laws?

Yes, you must continue to accept these applications. But you must automatically refuse the application under paragraph 320(7B) of the Rules unless rule 320(7B) does not apply to the applicant (please read below).

So if you qualify under the concession does it meanyou wont be refused for overstaying or does it just mean you wont be banned but could still be refused as usual? Please help me understand this as well as help the author of this post.
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Re: Refused for overstay. Need advice please.

Post by thsths » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:36 am

rozenwasser wrote:Here is my situation. I had a 6 month fiancee visa , did not get married and overstayed by some 4 months. now when back in my country I applied for 2 year visitors visa and was refused with 1 year ban according to new rules ( which I , stupid git , did not looked through before applying). Now, please tell me if I can still apply for another fiancee visa before the 1 year ban ends? Me and my girlfriend(she is uk citizen) are still very much together and do genuinly want to get married.
We may believe you, but you also need to prove it to the immigration officer, and the available evidence is certainly against you. You missed your opportunity to marry and you also broke the law. So I think any kind of visa application will be refused until you can demonstrate a firm commitment. Maybe the best thing would be to get married in your home country and then apply for a spouse visa.

The ban is a separate problem. I am not sure whether you can appeal it independently of the visa decision, so whether you would have to appeal against the resulting refusal of your spouse visa. Get a lawyer to look into this, as you do not want to make mistakes in this situation. William already mentioned the relevant paragraphs, but I agree with him that the situation is a complex one.

Tom

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