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NHS has never has been free for those that don't' have valid UK visa (legal status) but many people still managed to get free NHS as the UK never checked before. Now the NHS must check instead of staff just giving treatment for free to everyone who turns up. NHS is only free at all times if you are British or have ILR or PR.StellarCow wrote:I have recently applied for a new VISA and it has been rejected and I am on an ongoing appeal process.
riz1986 wrote:try different surgeries
do u hv NHS number u can remember applying ?
Just take all da proofs such as utility bills,HO acknowledgement letter ,previous visa copies etc n I hope they would register.
But, doesn't being on appeal status count as staying legally in the country? And how is it that they had my name in the registry when I went to the emergency center? Its like they asked my last name and DOB and they already knew who I was.Petaltop wrote:NHS has never has been free for those that don't' have valid UK visa (legal status) but many people still managed to get free NHS as the UK never checked before. Now the NHS must check instead of staff just giving treatment for free to everyone who turns up. NHS is only free at all times if you are British or have ILR or PR.StellarCow wrote:I have recently applied for a new VISA and it has been rejected and I am on an ongoing appeal process.
You can use the NHS but will need to pay for any tests, treatment and medicine(full price, not NHS rates).
When a visa is granted you will be allowed free NHS for the duration of that visa. If the visa is for 6 months or less, then you don't get free NHS and will have to pay for the NHS when you use it.
While you wait for your appeal you should get full health insurance in case you need operation or stay on ward A bill for that will cost thousands of pounds and NHS bills over total 1k must be paid before a visa is issued.
Being legal for immigration purposes and having legal stay for free NHS, are two different things. You no longer have a visa that would have allowed you free use of the NHS.StellarCow wrote: But, doesn't being on appeal status count as staying legally in the country?
That's part of the new system the UK has invented to prevent people taking NHS for free when they should be billed. They know who you are as they have access to the data the UK has on you. If you needed emergency treatment and didn't pay your bill, then the NHS inform UKVI. Everything is linked between UK departments to exchange information on immigrants.StellarCow wrote:And how is it that they had my name in the registry when I went to the emergency center? Its like they asked my last name and DOB and they already knew who I was.
secret.simon wrote:Do you have an HO acknowledgement letter? That may suffice.
A&E would typically be free, but given the pressures on A&E, they are pushing routine matters back to GPs.
For free NHS she needs legal status in the UK and she has been refused a visa. It has always been this way for the NHS but as we all know it was easy to use the NHS for free as they never checked. Now they must check, or be fined. The new BRPs and IHS details on there will make it even easier for the NHS to check who must pay as immigrants will have to show their BRPs to get free NHS or they will be billed.secret.simon wrote:Do you have an HO acknowledgement letter? That may suffice.
That's why they have made the consultaion only for free at GPs now from April, to relieve the pressure on A&E as too many who should pay arrive at A&E instead as they heard they don't pay there, but any treatment off A&E ward is not free. Blood tests should be billed there too as they are sent to different department.secret.simon wrote:A&E would typically be free, but given the pressures on A&E, they are pushing routine matters back to GPs.
Go to a GPs surgery or drop in centre today. From 6 April 2015 the GP or nurse consultation part only will be free, before that date a GP could bill you but now they can't. You will still need to pay for any treatment/tests and pay the full price of any medication. It may not cost you that much. This is your health, don't mess with it just to try to save a few pounds. Once you know what the problem is you can then decide whether to return home to get further treatment for free, but will need advice regarding your appeal if you leave the UK.StellarCow wrote: I really need some medical attention because I am losing blooding almost everyday.
I didn't say it would. I said she would need to pay for medication, tests, treatment. The health insurance was to cover anything else she might need for health treatment until she gets a valid visa.i.e. run over by a bus.Casa wrote:Petaltop, an insurance in highly unlikely to cover her for an exisiting condition.
Casa wrote:You're not entirely correct about NHS treatment only being free for someone with ILR or PR. The NHS surcharge gives access to treatment, which entitles the visa-holder to have the same rights as those with settled status.
Yes, a current valid visa. the OP doesn't have one and even under the old rules prior to 6 April 2015, they lost their free NHS when their visa expired. Nothing has changed there except the NHS must now check who has to be billed. Immgiration rules and NHS rules are not the same.Casa wrote:Prior to the introduction of the new surcharge, those with valid visas (apart from visitors) were entitled to use NHS services. This means that anyone one holding a current visa, issued after the NHS Surcharge was introduced, can continue to have access to free NHS treatment. They don't need to have permanent residence. I've explained this to avoid worried members asking it they have lost their right to the NHS.
I think she should go to a drop in centre today and seek medical treatment. As said, consultation is now free under new NHS law and at least she knows then what the problem is. Minor treatment in the UK is very cheap. Sort out if she can get the UK to reimburse her, later.Casa wrote:To the OP, this isn't a straightforward situation and it may be wise to check with your National Health Trust to confirm what you are entitled to while you are awaiting your appeal.
Casa wrote:Petaltop, I know you feel very strongly about the free use of the NHS as the majority of your posts have referred to this.
Perhaps I didn't make it clear and should have underlined the at all times bit? A Brit can lose their job and still have free NHS at all times, enter the country and have immediate free NHS if they live in EEA or have have come home to live. This is extended to ILRs and PRs too.Casa wrote:My point was in the main related to this incorrect statement in your post "NHS is only free at all times if you are British or have ILR or PR.".
ONLY if they applied for a visa before 6 April 2015. Under the rules of those that applied after 5 April 2015, the NHS will not be "free to anyone who has a valid visa (excluding a visitor visa)".Casa wrote:Which is why I clarified for members who may be concerned, that NHS is free to anyone who has a valid visa (excluding a visitor visa), not only those with ILR or PR.
As do others too, such as those who have suffered violence, Australian citizens, New Zealand citizens, those EEAs citizens in work in the UK and pay national insurance etcCasa wrote:In fact those claiming Asylum also have access to free treatment while their case is being decided.
Which I seem to recall is only Australia and NZ, as I listed? Although the UK are still in talks with these two countries about this IHS, so perhaps that will change?Casa wrote:...and also those from a country which has a reciprocal agreement with the UK.
Casa wrote:Just to clarify, countries which have a bi-lateral agreement with the UK for health care are:
Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Georgia, Gibraltar, Yugoslavia i.e. Serbia & Montenegro, Kazakhstan, Kirgizstan, Macedonia, Moldova, New Zealand, Romania, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan and residents of the following countries: Anguilla, Australia, Barbados, British Virgin Islands, Channel Islands, Falkland Islands, Iceland, Isle of Man, Montserrat, St. Helena, Turks and Caicos Islands.
And I agree that we shouldn't forget the OP. Stellarcrow, I should have asked this question sooner. Is there any chance that you hold the nationality of any of the countries on the list?
I havent because on 29th May 2015 I have been to the Walk in center for the same reason. They did some check ups and prescribed me medicine and told me to register for a GP. Wouldn't they say/do the same again? Because last time they said this is the best they could do and if I needed more detailed check up I should go to my local GP. :\ See I am stranded deep.Petaltop wrote:StellarCow, did you get yourself to a walk in centre today for your free consultation with a GP?
You can find your nearest one here
http://www.nhs.uk/Service-Search/Walk-i ... Search/663
@CasaCasa wrote: Prior to the introduction of the new surcharge, those with valid visas (apart from visitors) were entitled to use NHS services. This means that anyone one holding a current visa, issued after [did you mean before?] the NHS Surcharge was introduced, can continue to have access to free NHS treatment.
manci wrote:@CasaCasa wrote: Prior to the introduction of the new surcharge, those with valid visas (apart from visitors) were entitled to use NHS services. This means that anyone one holding a current visa, issued after [did you mean before?] the NHS Surcharge was introduced, can continue to have access to free NHS treatment.
I was searching the UKVI, NHS and DoH websites for precisely this information but couldn't find it. I know that retrospective legislation would be highly unlikely but have you actually found an official source expressly confirming that this is in fact the case for pre-April 2015 visa holders, i.e. are there any transitional provisions for them?
The OP's case is made more difficult by the fact that although she has been in the UK for 6 years she hasn't registered with a GP and is attempting to do it for the first time now, post April 15.
@StellarCow
Without knowing the details of your immigration history, the application that was refused and the appeal, it is likely that you still have valid leave under section 3C until the appeal is decided, but A GP is unlikely to know this. I would try another GP in your area or follow Casa's advice and contact the local Clinical Commissioning Group:
http://www.nhs.uk/Service-Search/Clinic ... onSearch/1