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1+3+3 = Safe till 2010

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1+3+3 = Safe till 2010

Post by makon » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:31 am

I just got another 3 yrs on top of my 1+3, and am safe till 2010 and hopefully I can apply for ILR next year!

How did I succeed?

1) I read the whole guidance and Case Workers guidance from the 1st page to the last page and did not expect people to read and tell me what is there

2) I studied people's refusal cases on this forum and make sure I did not make the same mistake, for example, where payment was made by my employer but employers name was not reflected on my bank statement, I got a letter from my bank and employer to confirm that it was my employer who actually deposited that money in my account

3) Even though I could have gotten a letter from my uni to proof my english ability, I wrote IELTS and scored 8.0/9/0 knowing that IELTS may become mandatory in the future, e.g for ILR

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Post by mayana » Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:33 pm

Congratulations...

I can see some mis-leading information here (1) Getting a letter from bank to justify that you salary in been paid by your employer is highly impossibly....I stand to be corrected because your bank statemnt is enough to establish that...no bank will be able issue such a letter in this part of the world (2)There is no formal information from HO to substantiate that IELT or what ever will be the sole proof of english language in future especially when applying for ILR...

Makon! congratulations and count yourself lucky because sometimes discretion comes to play...I have read in this forum stories of people who presented better and quality application only to be turned down and had to apply for a review....reading the case working manual works but once again count yourself lucky....

....and to all those who have failed and shared their experience for me and so many other to take advantage of ....I am saying a big thank you and believe that your selfless effort will not be in vain.

I look forward to reading a full details of your success makon it may go a long way in helping others too.

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Re: 1+3+3 = Safe till 2010

Post by pantaiema » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:24 pm

Congratulation Makon.

I believe a lot of people will learn from your case. From this forum I have read that a lot of rejection cases could have been prevented by well prapare case. I could not blame the CW in this case if people get rejected due to lack of evidence.

makon wrote:I just got another 3 yrs on top of my 1+3, and am safe till 2010 and hopefully I can apply for ILR next year!

How did I succeed?

1) I read the whole guidance and Case Workers guidance from the 1st page to the last page and did not expect people to read and tell me what is there

2) I studied people's refusal cases on this forum and make sure I did not make the same mistake, for example, where payment was made by my employer but employers name was not reflected on my bank statement, I got a letter from my bank and employer to confirm that it was my employer who actually deposited that money in my account

3) Even though I could have gotten a letter from my uni to proof my english ability, I wrote IELTS and scored 8.0/9/0 knowing that IELTS may become mandatory in the future, e.g for ILR

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Re: 1+3+3 = Safe till 2010

Post by SYH » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:32 pm

makon wrote:I just got another 3 yrs on top of my 1+3, and am safe till 2010 and hopefully I can apply for ILR next year!

How did I succeed?

1) I read the whole guidance and Case Workers guidance from the 1st page to the last page and did not expect people to read and tell me what is there

2) I studied people's refusal cases on this forum and make sure I did not make the same mistake, for example, where payment was made by my employer but employers name was not reflected on my bank statement, I got a letter from my bank and employer to confirm that it was my employer who actually deposited that money in my account

3) Even though I could have gotten a letter from my uni to proof my english ability, I wrote IELTS and scored 8.0/9/0 knowing that IELTS may become mandatory in the future, e.g for ILR
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So what did you learn exactly, what did you do THAT you might not have done after studying from other people's mishaps?

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Post by makon » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:07 pm

A lot of people have reported on this forum that their application have been refused because the salaries is shown on the bank statement as: SALARY, without their employers name. The case workers guidance says that where bank statement is used as evidence, the statements must clearly show that payment has come from employer. This is the reason I got a letter from my bank and employer to confirm that it was my employer who made the payment.

Also, come next year, HO are planning to adopt the Australian system and if you have looked at how the australian system works, people are given point for having IELTS certificate. I can only say that by writing IELTS instead of submitting bachelors deg cert and letter from uni I was trying to be a bit proactive cos you dont know what will happen next year
when I hope to apply for ILR

The taxable income on my tax clearance was less than my claimed earnings by £2500. So I did not tick the box against evidence tax clearance in the earnings evidence section. I only ticked the boxes for bank statement, payslips, and letter from employer. I categorically stated that I only provided the tc since it was a mandatoy requirement and that they should not use it as evidence. I also told them not to expect the figure on the tc to corroborate with the payslip because I was claiming earnings based on gross income but the tc only show taxable earnings (after deductions such as pension). I also told them that the tc did not cover the period claimed and therefore will never match up with my claimed earnings, and as such they not expect it to.

Where I thought that there would be ambiguity I asked our HR to clarify in their letter. For example, I work for a company that pay salaries every 4 weeks instead of monthly. Because of this, we are always paid 13 times in a year and this always results in being paid 2ce in Januaries. So asked them to mention this in their letter since HO may not understand why I was paid in January.

Basically, my advice to fellow immigrant is that before submitting your application, put yourself in the CW's shoes and try to scrutinise your application. Do you think there's any ambiguity you need to clarify? then do it. Remember the burden of proof is on you. They dont know anything about you so you have to try and make yurself heard even in yur absence.

I also mark asterik against my salary entry on my bank statement so that it could be easily seen among the multitude of entries. Please do not run the marker on the entry before you are accused of altering the figures. Just mark an * at the beginning and end of the line on, or just circle that line.

At the same time, I am aware that at times people still get refused even when they have tried their best but a lot of refusals I have seen here could have been avoided.

If anyone have any particular question,then feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer.

Good luck, my fellow immigrants!

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Post by SYH » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:10 pm

makon wrote:A lot of people have reported on this forum that their application have been refused because the salaries is shown on the bank statement as: SALARY, without their employers name. The case workers guidance says that where bank statement is used as evidence, the statements must clearly show that payment has come from employer. This is the reason I got a letter from my bank and employer to confirm that it was my employer who made the payment.

Also, come next year, HO are planning to adopt the Australian system and if you have looked at how the australian system works, people are given point for having IELTS certificate. I can only say that by writing IELTS instead of submitting bachelors deg cert and letter from uni I was trying to be a bit proactive cos you dont know what will happen next year
when I hope to apply for ILR

The taxable income on my tax clearance was less than my claimed earnings by £2500. So I did not tick the box against evidence tax clearance in the earnings evidence section. I only ticked the boxes for bank statement, payslips, and letter from employer. I categorically stated that I only provided the tc since it was a mandatoy requirement and that they should not use it as evidence. I also told them not to expect the figure on the tc to corroborate with the payslip because I was claiming earnings based on gross income but the tc only show taxable earnings (after deductions such as pension). I also told them that the tc did not cover the period claimed and therefore will never match up with my claimed earnings, and as such they not expect it to.

Where I thought that there would be ambiguity I asked our HR to clarify in their letter. For example, I work for a company that pay salaries every 4 weeks instead of monthly. Because of this, we are always paid 13 times in a year and this always results in being paid 2ce in Januaries. So asked them to mention this in their letter since HO may not understand why I was paid in January.

Basically, my advice to fellow immigrant is that before submitting your application, put yourself in the CW's shoes and try to scrutinise your application. Do you think there's any ambiguity you need to clarify? then do it. Remember the burden of proof is on you. They dont know anything about you so you have to try and make yurself heard even in yur absence.

I also mark asterik against my salary entry on my bank statement so that it could be easily seen among the multitude of entries. Please do not run the marker on the entry before you are accused of altering the figures. Just mark an * at the beginning and end of the line on, or just circle that line.

At the same time, I am aware that at times people still get refused even when they have tried their best but a lot of refusals I have seen here could have been avoided.

If anyone have any particular question,then feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer.

Good luck, my fellow immigrants!
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Re: 1+3+3 = Safe till 2010

Post by makon » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:15 pm

In reply to SYH:
So what did you learn exactly, what did you do THAT you might not have done after studying from other people's mishaps?
This is the reason for one particular rejection I saw, the case worker said:

"The bank statements you supplied are not acceptable because they do not confirm who deposited the salary. If bank statements are used as evidence, they must clearly show that the payment being claimed for came from the employer"

I then wrote to the Home Office and asked for what should be done and this is their reply, word for word:

Dear Sir/Madam

Thankyou for your email.

As your bank statements do not state the source where the salary has come from, you must also submit a letter from your employer on the companies letter headed paper, to state the amounts that have been paid into your bank account each month/week.

Along with this, you must also submit a letter from your bank to state the name of the source that is paying in your "Salary" each month or week, i.e., the name of your employer.

Please submit the above evidence along with your wage slips and we will consider the information provided.

Kindest Regards


Chelsea Warburton
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It was on the above basis that I asked my bank and employer to write and confirm that it was my employer who deposited certain payment into my account. There was no employer's name against those paymentson my bank statements.

Also, people have been denied because according to the CW the tax clearance did not collaborate with payslips or bank statement. It was on this basis that I repeatedly emphasize that my TC will never corroborate with either my payslips or bank statements.

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Post by dokwal » Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:42 am

very good information for employed ones

what about self employed who is receiving chques from many clients


any thoughs ?

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Post by makon » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:23 am

If I was a contractor and I am being paid by cheque, this is what I will do.

Before paying the cheque into my bank account I will make a photocopy of the cheque, then try and get the cheque issuer to sign the photocopy and possible placing their official stamp and saying that the cheque is a true copy of the cheque I was given for doing a particular job for them. This is just my own guess, and also copies of contract and invoices to back it up as well.

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