HO Set a new record by processing a Re-apply case in 1 day

Folks!!!

I got it. I just can not believe it they processed it in one day flat.

But before I get into the details, I would like to appologise to all those who enquired on my future course of action. After going through one negative reply from HO, I got a little uneasy and felt more comfortable to keep quiet till I knew the outcome. So once again, please accept my appologies.

Now here is the entire case details.

First Application date: May 4 2004
Over 28 Application
Country of Application : India
Points Claimed : Education 15
Earnings 25
Experience 35
Total 75

My application got processed on September 30 2004 and the decision was negative. They gave me points on education but did not give me point on my experience as well as earnings.

Since I was fairly shocked and upset, I decided to call HSMP in UK and tried to speak to somebody concerned to understand what has gone wrong. Since luck was in my favour, I ended up talking directly to my case worker and she was nice enough to go through my entire case on the phone and tell me what all evidence was accepted and what all was not.

Her explanation to me was, as far as the earnings was concerned, the main thing missing was Income Tax Returns. I had not added that as at the time of application submission, I had not filed my returns.
On the Experience part, although I had been working for past 9 years, based on the experience certificate provided by me, they only accepted past two emplyers as graduate level experience.

On further discussion, I explained to her that mine is a highly specialised industry and there is no scope of my job being less than graduate level. I also asked her if it would suffice for me to get my ex-employer to give me an Experience certificate stating it is a graduate level job. The response was that it is not sufficient if you put in the words "graduate level". The responsibilities mentioned should convey that it called for a graduate level knowledge.

Moral of the story, she adviced me, that I could consider re-applying or "paid-appeal". Since I had not heard of "Paid-Appeal" I asked her what it means and she said it means although I am appealing, which means the period under consideration remains the same, I would like to pay for it so that I can add additional documents.

So, on November 2 2004, I sent my application once again.
I filled up the application form and send back all the documents one more time with revised experience letter from one of the employers and IT Reutrns (original) for past three years. Also I added required documentation for to establish earning in the past 6 months (April 2004-September 2004).

Since it was a courier, my application reached HO on November 5, 2004. My credit card transaction date is November 9 and yesterday, November, 18, I got my decision letter dated November 9, 2004 stating my application was approved.

So guys, that is my story in brief. If any of you want more details, do feel free to ask.

Before I end my message, I would like to thank all of you. Had it not been this board, I really don't know how I would have dealt with the application as well as re-apply. A special Thank You to Mini, who was kind enough to share with me various sample documents she had used. I am sure one of the reasons why my application got processed so fast the second time is becoz of the way the file was presented.

That is it for now. I will be getting busy with my EC now. But the one lesson that I have learnt in the entire process is " Perseverance pays".

Regards,
Noddy.

Many congratulations! Thats brilliant news.

Especially about the "paid-appeal" which allows your case to be considered with fresh evidence. Can you share some more details about how one goes about with it. Did you have to fill up a fresh application form? Qoute your HSMP reference etc

Good luck with your EC

Congrats noddy .All the best with your EC.

Congrats Noddy, its good to hear that you got approval. I wish you goodluck with EC .

MWazir,

"Paid Appeal" is nothing but Re-Apply. I feel she just called it "Paid Appeal". The only distiction I could make out is that in case of "Paid Appeal" the 12 months period under consider remains the same. So when I initially applied, my 12 months under consideration were April 2003 - March 2004.

Since I re-submitted my papers in November, in a simple Re-Apply case, I suppose the period under consideration would have been October 2003 - September 2004.

Since I was not too sure about what the case worker adviced me, I had provided documentary evidence for April 2003 - September 2004.

Yes I had to fill the application form once again and they charged me GBP 150 again as well. My reference no was the same. In the applicatin form, where we have to mention the Income in last 12 months, I had put the figure of my taxable income for the period April 2003 - March 2004 and specified the same. At the time of decision, I really don't know what did they consider.

Hope this answers your query.

Noddy

Congratulations, Noddy! Persistance certainly pays off if you know you have a good case. The turnaround time for HSMP is seriously impressive as well. I'm sure your experience will be very helpful to others.

We got good news this week too. My hubby got his HSMP approved, after submitting his additional evidence. I think it was one week to the day we mailed the new documents (in country) to when the decision letter arrived in the same package as the orginal docs. So, giving one day transit each direction, they got it processed in 3 business days after receiving the additional docs.

We are emailing the FLR in-country team today to see what to do about the rule changes in visa-switching since 1 Oct. I will report back once we hear something, in case someone else is in a similar situation.

Noddy, please stay in touch and let us all know how your journey to the UK goes. I hope you find a wonderful job and a great new life.

Hi Noddy
Lots of Felicitations on ur marvellous efforts. Best of luck for future hunts.

Aromated

many congrats to you Noddy, i for one felt your pain when you told us bout you rejection, but to now hear that it has finally been resolved is just excellent news. just goes to show that if you are sure about your case and you show enough determination definitely succed congrats and all the best

this is great news coming from u noddy! all the best in your EC and future prospects in the UK!

f2k/aromated/lightplace

Thank you all very much for your good wishes.

Noddy

Noddy,

First of all, I would send late congraduations to you.

Please save me in the dark. I know how busy you are for preparing your stuff, but really, I need your help.

I think I got same result as you had in your first reply from HO. I got 0 points on both work experience and earning sections. I was hurt deeply really. I've asked review my application at the same day when I received the refusal letter. I don't know whether it is worth doing that, but I did. So far, I have not had any news for this review... I am lost.

I am now thinking of re-apply my application. I've read your post many times. It does help me a lot, but I m still concern, the work experience, if I can only provide one more letter from my boss to state what I was doing during the employment, say, the requirement of the position and duties & repoinsiblities of the postion, is that enough? This letter is from my boss, not from the company, so there is no company stamp, is that OK?

Another thing is the earning, as our tax authority doesn't face to individual person, but company, I couldn't have any document with my name confirmed to pay the tax. The document I could have is the document to confirm how much tax the whole company paid. How can I point my tax had been included. and also the tax was paid through Bank, instead of paying to tax authority directly, how can I explain.

Your early reply would be highly appreciated. I am so frustrated......

Hi Wendy,

Thank you very much for your good wishes and it is sad to know that your application has been rejected.

As regards to your specific query, let me start off by clarifying, I am no expert at HSMP. So whatever I recommend, is just a suggestion based on what my interaction with HO or what I would have done if I were in your shoes.

Firstly, have you received your decision letter??? If you have, find out who signed the letter. The person who signs the letter is your case worker. Call up HO and try speaking to the case worker. Tell them you are looking at re-apply and need to know what evidence was not acknowledged. They will answer. Getting through HO is difficult but not impossible. That way, you can spend your time on getting the relevant stuff to strengthen you case.

As for the experience letter, ideally you should have this kind of letter on the company letter head. Can you not request the HR department of your company to write the same thing that your boss is willing to write??? Alternatively, get a document from the company stating that Mr.......................... was your immediate superior while you were employed in the company. Then get your boss to give you the letter giving details of what you were doing. That might work. But just a letter from your boss could be treated as personal reference not a professional one.

As regards the earnings point, what you are saying does not seem to make sense. I mean every country in world makes people pay Income Tax. Can you give me some more details about where you are and the tax system prevailing in that country.

Hope this helps. Feel free to send me another email if you need any help.

Noddy

Noddy,

Thank you very much for your quick response.

The problems I got are really tough as it is impossible for a bureaucrat company to provide a detailed letter to meet HO satisfication. Therefore, I did only have a simpe letter from HR of the company with company stamp to verify just my title and employment duration. It was also the reason I provided another letter from my manager who is still employeed as the manager now to give more examples. Unfortunately, she didnt clearly mention what the requirements and job descriptions of the position. The letter was printed on company letter head paper. I could only have one more letter from my manager printed on company letter head paper to give more information on the requirements and job description. I dont know what else I can do...

for the point of tax. I have never received any documents from tax authority to confirm how much I paid for tax every month in my country even though I have worked for 10 years. As far as I know, my salary which I have every month is net salary. In other words, the tax has been deducted and paid by the company on my behalf. The process is that the company fill a special from issued from local tax authority. The form does require the company to fill the name of the company, name of the bank, name of the local tax authority, amount of payable money, tax rate, and amount of money paid. date of the money paid for which month the tax is for. Once the company fills the form, the accountant goes to the bank to confirm that certain amount will be transfered from company account to the local tax authority. At last, the form will be submitted to the bank with one copy chopped by the bank returned to the company. However, the whole process is between the company and tax authority, nothing relates to any individual person. I could understand you cannot figure out how complicatd the tax system runs in China. however, it is the truly fact I am facing now. I provided letter from my employer to confirm they had paid tax on my behalf, but HO doesnt think it is enough. How can I do then?

That's problem I have to solve, but really I am not able to add more information.