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Chess
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Stripped of British Citizenship

Post by Chess » Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:51 pm

I heard on the news that Sheikh Hamza of Finsbury Park was stripped off British Citizenship and that the appeal for deportation will be heard in 9 months time....

...Does this mean that it is not the end of it all once you get the 'red book'??? You can still be stripped of your citrizenship and returned to your country of origin????.


So in real terms, what are the benefits of naturalisation apart from

1). Easier travel within the EU
2). Apllying for jobs where one of the requirements is British Citizenship
3). A free cup of tea at the High Comission when you get stuck overseas in the middle of 'no where' :lol:
Where there is a will there is a way.

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Post by Cosmopol » Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:07 pm

:)
For practical purposes once you get the 'red book', it's a permanent status - as we know, it only gets revoked from naturalized citizens for serious offences. In this sense, no, the 'red book' is NOT a ticket to acting with impunity 8) For some offences being deported is a 'lesser' punishment, where a native citizen's life would become either wasted in a UK jail or else spent under survelliance.

As for the entire benefits set of being a BC - it's much in the eye of the passport [be]holder: I've known anglophiles who'd go to extraordinary lengths in order to secure the unconditional right to be in the UK; at the same time one of my friends here is an "Englishman abroad" who's left Britain in the 50-s and never lived there again, visiting only occasionally.

Go figure... ;)

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Post by Joseph » Sun May 02, 2004 11:25 pm

Cosmopol

I believe the only reason his British Citizenship was successfully stripped was because it was obtained falsely in the first place, that is, because he got citizenship based on a marriage that was invalid (i.e. because his British wife was still previously married or something similiar--I don't remember the details). The Naturalisation Rules and application form make it clear that a naturalisation certificate can be revoked if there was deception when applying.

If he hadn't cheated on the application, I think it would have been much harder to strip him of citizenship, even considering his current activities and affiliations.

Joseph

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Post by AtW » Sun May 02, 2004 11:43 pm

He is about to lose his British citizenship because he holds another one -
he claims to have dropped his Egyptian (?) citizenship, however Home Office argues that he did not and thus can be stripped of British citizenship.

If he just had ILR then I am sure he'd be kicked out of the country like yesterday.

Moral of the story is pretty simple - don't preach for British troops to be killed in Iraq (even if you disagree with the war) in the center of London.

Personally I disagree with the fact that British citizen can be stripped of citizenship (unless it was obtained fraudlently and thus invalid), IMHO if he committed any crimes then he should be in jail after reciving fair trial.

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Post by Cosmopol » Mon May 03, 2004 3:19 am

Joseph,

I absolutely agree that it would be much harder to deal with the issue if all details in his application were not fradulent. As I understand it, fradulent applications can automatically invalidate someone's citizenship. In addition to that, I believe the UK government reserves the right to deprive naturalized citizens of the status if they are found engaged in certain activities against the state (i.e., not a crime against an individual or property), where their removal from the country is the best option. Of course, any such act is much harder where the original immigration cases (ILR, citizenship) were not fradulent. At the same time, there are cases where detention of a foreign-born perpetrator (be it a citizen or not) in a British jail is better than deporting a person to the country where they would engage in anti-British activity with better efficiency.

Well, let's just hope this whole aspect will never be relevant for any one of us ;)

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Post by AtW » Tue May 04, 2004 12:57 am

They can only do it if the person in question holds another passport - otherwise it would go against Human Rights etc.

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