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Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by gillacious_505 » Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:45 pm

Hello Everyone,

Can anyone please share their thoughts on this.

My wife wish to exercise EU rights and go to Germany. And she wish to bring her daughter (21 +) from Non-EU country.

1) Can anyone tell me what documentary evidence needs to be submitted to show dependency to secure the visa under EC directive from the Non-EU Country.

2) Secondly I have seen people using the Surinder Singh route, but mainly the country they choose is Ireland. Can anyone tell me how it is different from other EU countries like Germany. Is it more of an easier option ?

3) Thirdly if anyone can share their successful experience of Surinder Singh route via Germany, then that would be of great help.

Thanks

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Re: Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by Wanderer » Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:53 pm

1: 'Wholly and Mainly dependant' - i think the UK takes that as meaning financial in most cases.

2: They speak English! Remember most people who use this route are just using it because they don't qualify under UK rules, they are not really interested in any particular State or it's culture.

3: Nothing for me.

Is your wife a British Citizen?
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Re: Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by gillacious_505 » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:34 pm

Wanderer wrote:1: 'Wholly and Mainly dependant' - i think the UK takes that as meaning financial in most cases.

2: They speak English! Remember most people who use this route are just using it because they don't qualify under UK rules, they are not really interested in any particular State or it's culture.

3: Nothing for me.

Is your wife a British Citizen?
1) She have been remitting money to her account regularly for maintenance, You reckon that would be enough to secure the intial EC Directive Visa from the Non-EU country?

She is going to be, pretty soon.

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Re: Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by gillacious_505 » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:44 pm

Wanderer wrote:1: 'Wholly and Mainly dependant' - i think the UK takes that as meaning financial in most cases.

2: They speak English! Remember most people who use this route are just using it because they don't qualify under UK rules, they are not really interested in any particular State or it's culture.

3: Nothing for me.

Is your wife a British Citizen?
Also I have read somewhere in the forum, that if you exercise your rights from Germany or Estonia, then you don't have to get the the Family Permit. Please correct me if am wrong ?

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Re: Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by gillacious_505 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:55 pm

Can anyone please reply above. It would be really appreciated!

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Re: Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by Casa » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:40 pm

You've been misinformed. A family permit is required in both cases.
(Casa, not CR001)
Please don't send me PMs asking for immigration advice on posts that are on the open forum. If I haven't responded there, it's because I don't have the answer. I'm a moderator, not a legal professional.

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Re: Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by gillacious_505 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:11 pm

Casa wrote:You've been misinformed. A family permit is required in both cases.

Thanks Casa.

Lastly, can you please share your thoughts whether an EU based citizen brother can exercise the Surinder Singh route for his + 21 years old dependent non- EU based sister ?

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Re: Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by gillacious_505 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:35 pm

Lastly, can you please share your thoughts whether an EU based citizen brother can exercise the Surinder Singh route for his + 21 years old dependent non- EU based sister ?
Can anyone please reply my above point . It is really important to know and I couldn't get my head around it ?

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Re: Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by Wanderer » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:47 pm

Is dependancy wholly or mainly or just a few quid?
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Re: Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by gillacious_505 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:18 pm

Wanderer wrote:Is dependancy wholly or mainly or just a few quid?

I don't know the technical jargon of dependency but let me explain in layman terms. She relies 100 % on the financial assistance.

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Re: Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by Wanderer » Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:27 pm

gillacious_505 wrote:
Wanderer wrote:Is dependancy wholly or mainly or just a few quid?

I don't know the technical jargon of dependency but let me explain in layman terms. She relies 100 % on the financial assistance.
That's not answering the question - what percent of the dependants total income is provided by the EEA citizen?
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Re: Surinder Singh Route (Germany v/s Ireland)

Post by gillacious_505 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:11 pm

Wanderer wrote:
gillacious_505 wrote:
Wanderer wrote:Is dependancy wholly or mainly or just a few quid?

I don't know the technical jargon of dependency but let me explain in layman terms. She relies 100 % on the financial assistance.
That's not answering the question - what percent of the dependants total income is provided by the EEA citizen?
It's 100 %. What impact will it have?

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