Tier 1 Rejected - Please advise

Hi,

Timelines: Applied on 4th Sept
Received Passport: 24th Sept

Rejected for English ability, comment from the case officer says:

"You have claimed points for the English language requirement from your Masters Degree from ICFAI University. However the points based calculator is unbale to confirm this qualification. The published guidance stipulates that if the point-based calculator is unable to confirm qualification, points will not be awarded (paragraph 191, 192)"

I have checked the calculator again and my degree DOES exist in there and it also awards 10 points for English.

My guess is that the Case officer erred in the following way:

In the calc one has to choose a few things from the dropdown step by step:
Step 1: Country - India
Step 2: State - Uttarakhand
Step 3: Degree - Masters (I think it is at this point that the case officer must have erred. Here there are other institutions listed as well, the case officer must have tried to look for my univ and not found it. My univ is listed in step 4)
Step 4: ICFAI University
Step 5: Duration (2 Years)
Step 6: Year of Award - 2005

Enter all this and the calc gives me 10 points. there is no way in which i could enter the points on my own.

Along with my application i had also attached the pdf of this points based calc which had the details of how points were awarded for each category. Still the case worker could not find it.

Please guide on how to put in a review application, as in framing of my case letter. Not the process.

Also does anyone read anything else form the case workers comments.

I am open to harsh realities so please dont be polite.

Thanks,
Amit

this seems to be a clear mistake from the caseworker side. u can go ahead with a admin review. u'll surely get it.

As u said CW might've found himself hard to find ur university name, coz i found it difficult to choose ur univ name right for the first time

dont forget to mention the university abbreviation and its corresponding expansion in ur AR.

btw u didnt mention ur specialization of qualification in ur steps.

yes thats right, i did not mention my specialization.

Its just that the Admin Review process takes a lot of time and had the case officer looked at the attached ponts based calc (provide by me in my application) he may have been able to look at the break up of steps and find my degree.

Its going to be a long wait now ...

yes thats right, i did not mention my specialization.

Its just that the Admin Review process takes a lot of time and had the case officer looked at the attached ponts based calc (provide by me in my application) he may have been able to look at the break up of steps and find my degree.

Its going to be a long wait now ...

Hi,

For admin review process, officially it is stated that it will take 28 working days (though some documents say "28 Days") however my admin review was done in 20 working days... I would suggest make a strong admin review application and go for admin review ....

Regards

amitkddas wrote:yes thats right, i did not mention my specialization.

Its just that the Admin Review process takes a lot of time and had the case officer looked at the attached ponts based calc (provide by me in my application) he may have been able to look at the break up of steps and find my degree.

Its going to be a long wait now ...

amitkddas wrote:Hi,

Timelines: Applied on 4th Sept
Received Passport: 24th Sept

Rejected for English ability, comment from the case officer says:

"You have claimed points for the English language requirement from your Masters Degree from ICFAI University. However the points based calculator is unbale to confirm this qualification. The published guidance stipulates that if the point-based calculator is unable to confirm qualification, points will not be awarded (paragraph 191, 192)"

I have checked the calculator again and my degree DOES exist in there and it also awards 10 points for English.

My guess is that the Case officer erred in the following way:

In the calc one has to choose a few things from the dropdown step by step:
Step 1: Country - India
Step 2: State - Uttarakhand
Step 3: Degree - Masters (I think it is at this point that the case officer must have erred. Here there are other institutions listed as well, the case officer must have tried to look for my univ and not found it. My univ is listed in step 4)
Step 4: ICFAI University
Step 5: Duration (2 Years)
Step 6: Year of Award - 2005

Enter all this and the calc gives me 10 points. there is no way in which i could enter the points on my own.

Along with my application i had also attached the pdf of this points based calc which had the details of how points were awarded for each category. Still the case worker could not find it.

Please guide on how to put in a review application, as in framing of my case letter. Not the process.

Also does anyone read anything else form the case workers comments.

I am open to harsh realities so please dont be polite.

Thanks,
Amit

1. Did you attach the points calculator print as calculated by BIA website ?

2. Should you not be claiming points for Bachelors degree rather than Masters ?

I may be wrong but isn't it the case that you need to show that your Bachelors degree was taught in English and not Master's degree?

1. Yes i did attach the points based calc pdf to my application

2. It says that it should be minimum of Bachelor's, can definitely be a higher degree. As far as what i had read before making my application and remember right now is that

"If you took your degree in another country, we will rely on an academic database known as UK NARIC www.naric.org.uk (the National Academic Recognition Information Centre) to advise us on whether the degree was taught to the standard of English equivalent to level C1 on the Council of Europe’s Common European Framework of Reference for Languages Learning Teaching Assessment (CEFR). You must provide evidence that you hold a degree which is equivalent to UK Bachelors level or higher and which was taught in English as evidence of your English language ability."

See highlighted above, its bachelors or higher.

u have a strong case. draft ur AR comments carefully. its shud'nt take more than 28days.

best of luck.

you must provide evidence that you hold a degree which is equivalent to UK Bachelors level or higher

You interpreted it wrong! It simply says the your degree should be comparable of UK's bachelor or higher degree.

For English language proficiency, you must show your Bachelor's degree - not Master's or PhD.

Else show the IELTS score.

rg1,

this was the case with HSMP. they insisted on a bachelors degree for english language section.

but nowadays the UKBA points calculator gives 10 points(english language) for some of the masters degrees as well.

Well i hope (actually am sure) that i did not interpret it incorrectly.

And the bottomline is that my qualification is listed on their database and gives out 10 points too. Its just that the case officer could not find it easliy.

To tell you the truth i could not find it in one go this morning ... ..... why blame the officer ...

Just hope that i get a positive reply from AR.

As for as i think it goes like this

A bachelor degree for english language requiremnt
or
A Master degree with TWO YEARS of study is sufficient to claim points for english laguage requirement...

A Master degree with ONE YEAR of couse length can not be used to claim these 10 points . TRY USING BIA CALCULATOR with these ....


Vijay Kumar

I have just checked and the number of years dont have to be two either. i chose "1 Year or less than 2" and still got 10 points.

Not that my degree's length was less than 2 years, but if one digs into the details like date of joining college and date of course completion it might be short by a few days.

vijaymiglani

u r not rite, i have 1 year masters degree. it was enuf for tier1. kindly get ur facts rite before u put these posts.

it can mislead people.

Dear vipul1981, Thanks for the suggestion


Please read my post again i have clearly mentioned that THIS IS ONLY MY VIEW

As for as i think it goes like this

And if you don't mind please ALWAYS WRITE CORRECT spelling when quoting name of person...my name is MAGHNANI not MIGLANI...

tHANKS AND NEVER MIND

VIJAY KUMAR MAGHNANI

vijaymaghnani wrote:Dear vipul1981, Thanks for the suggestion


Please read my post again i have clearly mentioned that THIS IS ONLY MY VIEW

As for as i think it goes like this

And if you don't mind please ALWAYS WRITE CORRECT spelling when quoting name of person...my name is MAGHNANI not MIGLANI...

tHANKS AND NEVER MIND

VIJAY KUMAR MAGHNANI

UKBA is accepting Master Degree to satisfy English criteria...As long as it is recongnised by the Points Calculator...

Two of my frineds got Visa on Masters Degree.....some case workers over see it ...one of my frined admin review taken 6 months still in pending but in some cases it was happening 3 to 6 weeks

So it depends on our luck and fate....

But this topic initiater will get the approval in admin review if he prepares a convinsable covering letter....

Hope for the best...

Regards
Raj

vijaymaghnani wrote:.... And if you don't mind please ALWAYS WRITE CORRECT spelling when quoting name of person...my name is MAGHNANI not MIGLANI...

tHANKS AND NEVER MIND

VIJAY KUMAR MAGHNANI

As advised before, learn to not shout when communicating on a public forum.

regards

rg1 wrote:

you must provide evidence that you hold a degree which is equivalent to UK Bachelors level or higher

You interpreted it wrong! It simply says the your degree should be comparable of UK's bachelor or higher degree.

For English language proficiency, you must show your Bachelor's degree - not Master's or PhD.

Else show the IELTS score.

See English language - masters degree or bachelor degree

regards

amitkddas wrote:Timelines: Applied on 4th Sept
Received Passport: 24th Sept

Rejected for English ability, comment from the case officer says:

"You have claimed points for the English language requirement from your Masters Degree from ICFAI University. However the points based calculator is unbale to confirm this qualification. The published guidance stipulates that if the point-based calculator is unable to confirm qualification, points will not be awarded (paragraph 191, 192)"

I have checked the calculator again and my degree DOES exist in there and it also awards 10 points for English.

No doubt that the decision will be reversed - if this is the only reason!

regards

Hi sushdmehta,

Thanks for ylur reply. I have been reading various threads on this forum and have observed that your inputs are almost precise each time. Hence i was wondering when would you actually comment on my case. Thanks for your inputs.

I have confirmed the following with the BHC Helpdesk at New Delhi:

My Question to BHC: Could there be any other reason apart from the one mentioned in the refusal letter and has not been communicated to me?

BHC Reply: We have a transparent process and all the reasons for refusal are communicated to the applicant. In your case if its just this one reason, then that is the absolute reason for refusal. The lady also mentioned that the only exception is if you have a past immigration history (application or otherwise). This is not applicable to me.

Also on further delibration on my case i have realised that the Case officer has not made a mistake. Why?? (read below:

ICFAI Univ offers many courses including MBA for which i had claimed points. The Univ is registered in Uttarakhand but the MBA operations are headquartered out of Hyderabad.

The Hybd address is mentioned at the bottom of my Degree certificate and the Transcript. Obviously the case officer mus have selected Andhra Pradesh as the state and not Uttarakhand and hence did not find ICFAI listed.

My question to the forum is:
In my admin review letter/appeal; Should i only show them the path where on the points-based calc is my Univ listed? Or along with the above i should also point out the facts that ICFAI is listed in Uttrakhand...MBA operated out of Hybd.....and provide contact details for both?

Please advise, your inputs will help me frame a better reply.

Thanks,

Best Regards,
Amit

Hi,
My EC has been rejected due to maintainance funds...the ECO has written that i had provided the statements till the 10/08/08 however i had submitted the statements till the 06/09/08 and my application date is the 08/09/08. The satements ranging from the 10/08/08 till the 06/09/08 were print outs taken from from the bank/branch and stamped/attested accordingly. Is it a possibility that the ECO has overlooked the statements and in the letter it has been mentioned that " the refusal is not on any general grounds".
Should i go for an Admin Review and how likely is it that the decision will be in my favour......also can some one let me know that how long does it take for an Appeal or an Admin Review..................

Hi SumeetS,

Well you say that ur statements ranging for roughly a month were bank printouts.....(if i got that right)...what about the other 2 months....

As far as i understand...u have to give three months CONSECUTIVE statements from one source...when i say one source,...i mean..they should be in continuation....3 months running statement on bank stationery...stamped and signed.....if you could give more details of your case...maybe i and others would be able to help.....

Regards,
Amit

amitkddas wrote:Hi,

Timelines: Applied on 4th Sept
Received Passport: 24th Sept

Rejected for English ability, comment from the case officer says:

"You have claimed points for the English language requirement from your Masters Degree from ICFAI University. However the points based calculator is unbale to confirm this qualification. The published guidance stipulates that if the point-based calculator is unable to confirm qualification, points will not be awarded (paragraph 191, 192)"

I have checked the calculator again and my degree DOES exist in there and it also awards 10 points for English.

My guess is that the Case officer erred in the following way:

In the calc one has to choose a few things from the dropdown step by step:
Step 1: Country - India
Step 2: State - Uttarakhand
Step 3: Degree - Masters (I think it is at this point that the case officer must have erred. Here there are other institutions listed as well, the case officer must have tried to look for my univ and not found it. My univ is listed in step 4)
Step 4: ICFAI University
Step 5: Duration (2 Years)
Step 6: Year of Award - 2005

Enter all this and the calc gives me 10 points. there is no way in which i could enter the points on my own.

Along with my application i had also attached the pdf of this points based calc which had the details of how points were awarded for each category. Still the case worker could not find it.

Please guide on how to put in a review application, as in framing of my case letter. Not the process.

Also does anyone read anything else form the case workers comments.

I am open to harsh realities so please dont be polite.

Thanks,
Amit

Hey, Extremely unfortunate. I have my vfs apptmt on Oct 9th and i was about to submit my ICFAI degree for both Masters and English. Post your case it looks dicey. This is a pretty elementary mistake by the case worker. You should get urs post the admin review but unnecessary hardship. Should i just avoid ICFAI now and show only my BCOM? Hope they dont create any problems for non-disclosure (of my MBA degree)

amitkddas wrote:Hi,

Timelines: Applied on 4th Sept
Received Passport: 24th Sept

Rejected for English ability, comment from the case officer says:

"You have claimed points for the English language requirement from your Masters Degree from ICFAI University. However the points based calculator is unbale to confirm this qualification. The published guidance stipulates that if the point-based calculator is unable to confirm qualification, points will not be awarded (paragraph 191, 192)"

Thanks,
Amit

Hey, Extremely unfortunate Amit. I have my vfs apptmt on Oct 9th and i was about to submit my ICFAI degree for both Masters and English. Post your case it looks dicey. This is a pretty elementary mistake by the case worker. You should get urs post the admin review but unnecessary hardship. Should i just avoid ICFAI now and show only my BCOM? Hope they dont create any problems for non-disclosure (of my MBA degree)