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TIER 4 Rejection and Admin Review Refused on wrong inform.

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TIER 4 Rejection and Admin Review Refused on wrong inform.

Post by makkan00 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:09 pm

Hi,

Scenario:

Mr brother applied for Tier 4 Application from Saudi Arabia, and his studies were funded partially by my dad and partially himself (he worked in UK for one year on Working holiday maker and earned money).

As to show funds, his statement was in English (from UK bank), while my father bank statement was in Arabic (from Saudi Bank) and of Saving account. It was translated into English by authentic translator and application was submitted.

Visa officer rejected on following basis. (Original Application Rejection rational)

1) However the bank statements you have provided show you to hold just £5178 as at 30 November 2009.

2) You have also submitted various translated documents relating to your father’s finances. However these do not appear to be in the form of a standard current account and in the absence of original Bank documentation in English I am unable to accept these documents.


My brother wrote following things on his administrative review application.

1- As I mentioned in the visa application that my study is going to be financed partially by my father and partially myself, so the entire amount should not be held in my current account.

2- Referring to Tier 4 Policy Guidance, Section "Money that can be used" ,
Paragraph no. 119, “The evidence of money held must be of cash funds in the Bank (this includes savings accounts and current accounts even when notice must be given)...â€

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Post by ChetanOjha » Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:20 pm

Unfortunately you have to bite the bullet and reapply. From the face of it, it appears that Visa officers didn't considered your translated documents. Were they translated by authorised translator?Did translator provided you any letter saying that documents were translated by him and he can be contacted if caseworker wish to do so?

Usually, copy of your application and all documents are kept in your files. So during the Admin Review that copy should have been made available to ECM. From the rejection reason, it appears that you have not submitted "all" the relevant translation.

Wait for other guys to reply too.

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Post by makkan00 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:29 pm

chetanojha wrote:Unfortunately you have to bite the bullet and reapply. From the face of it, it appears that Visa officers didn't considered your translated documents. Were they translated by authorised translator?Did translator provided you any letter saying that documents were translated by him and he can be contacted if caseworker wish to do so?

Usually, copy of your application and all documents are kept in your files. So during the Admin Review that copy should have been made available to ECM. From the rejection reason, it appears that you have not submitted "all" the relevant translation.

Wait for other guys to reply too.
Thanks for your reply.
Like I said, there were only 2 Arabic bank documents mentioning the money in our dad's account.
Both were translated by authentic translator, with his stamp, contact number and other details.
I dont know but I just doubt that ECO copied only original Arabic and not the translation, and thats why ECM mentioned that not all documents were translated.
I dont know but that seems not fair.

Any other suggestions?

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Post by John » Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:30 pm

Firstly, the Saudi account, how much in it? The equivalent of £11700 - £5178 = £6522? Or do you think the £11700 figure is wrong?

Apart from that, all you can do is appeal or apply again.
John

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Post by makkan00 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:37 pm

John wrote:Firstly, the Saudi account, how much in it? The equivalent of £11700 - £5178 = £6522? Or do you think the £11700 figure is wrong?

Apart from that, all you can do is appeal or apply again.
John in my dad's account money was triple the amount required.

Now for appeal, I am looking for forms and all I come across is

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/ecg/appeal ... ghtsappeal

but I cannot find the correct forms and other details.

I need the form for appeal and any suggestion, how should it be addressed?

As we had enough money and also provided authentic English translation, we did not see any reason to object the visa.

Just to update, this was second time, and on first occasion they deferred the visa on the basis that my dad's bank account did not cover last 28 days.

On second occasion, 2 different saving sheets, one showing amount in the bank recently and other sheet showing amount three months earlier, and amount was same on both sheets, as it was savings account. (both were translated)


I dont know how to proceed with this, because if we apply third time, what would be the new evidence?
or whats should we add?

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thanks.

Post by makkan00 » Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:21 am

Thanks guys,
Problem is solved, visa has been granted.

Cheers.

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Post by houman1979 » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:26 pm

I am so happy to hear that but how that happened? They understood their mistake and correct it or you did something?

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Post by makkan00 » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:43 pm

houman1979 wrote:I am so happy to hear that but how that happened? They understood their mistake and correct it or you did something?
As we applied for admin R/V, we also put more than enough amount in my brother UK account to keep it for at least 28 days.

When we hear the results of Admin R/V which I think was not appropriate decision, we applied third time. As this time the bank statement was of my brother, so no objection.

But they had given us enough hard time especially on second occasion where ECO is not even aware of the facts:
1- Saving account money can be used.
2- Original documents in other language can be used provided the condition that you translate it as British high commission recommended.

But despite of doing all thing, it was amazing that ECM rejected our admin R/V by making up that we did not provide the translation of all documents, which was in fact covering for their ECO mistake.

I wish I could take it to court for their incompetent handling of students' future. Such a Shame if British High Commission recruit and train such staff who are not even aware of the law and rules.

Alas, its happening, all over the world and may keep going......

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