Rcos points - Already got Tier 2 but Reapplying for Tier 2 due to mistake in CoS

mohancgr · Post by **mohancgr** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:56 am

Hi,

My employer made a mistake in cos application start date and applied for cos. I used my cos and received my 30 days visa vignette but did not enter UK to get BRP. Since my start date in uk is going to be 2 months late we are going for new visa application cancelling the current one. My job is under shortage of occupation list and my salary is 51k . Will I be able to get a new rcos and new visa. Is the selection solely based on points ? Please share any information available.

mohancgr · Post by **mohancgr** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:46 am

Hi,

Any inputs regarding this issue are appreciated.

Jack79 · Post by **Jack79** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:17 am

@Hopeful42
I am a Urologist ( Surgeon ). I was issued CoS in Nov, visa was refused in Dec, NHS Trust applied for CoS again in March - refused for not meeting min score, April - refused for not being lucky to be picked up from the lot allotted to NHS, but have met the minimum score - this is how my HR wrote to me. I am not convinced, my Nov CoS says,

1. Gross salary including any allowances and guaranteed bonuses - 56884.49
2. Gross allowances and guaranteed bonuses included in above figure - 18961.49

With this, my score for CoS should be 55 ( 20 RLMT + 35 Salary ), 55 was good enough this time, but I have no clue as to what my salary has been shown as. Despite asking HR on couple of occasions, she is not letting me know my score, strange!

mohancgr · Post by **mohancgr** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:57 am

Hi,

As per the uk gov website every body whose score was 46 and above were given cos. Please refer the following link. In March your score was less but you should qualify for April.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... april-2018

Jack79 · Post by **Jack79** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:11 am

@mohancgr
Thank you. Yep, am aware of the link you enclosed, my HR said the minimum score was met with, but a lottery system works for all NHS applications and I was unlucky in that lottery system, am failing to believe what she said.

Shree2267 · Post by **Shree2267** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:20 pm

@Jack79.. As far as I kind NHS are not allowed to take more than 1/3 of Monthly allocated COS applications. If NHS required to apply more than 1/3 then they might go through this Lottery stystem..

Jack79 · Post by **Jack79** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:40 pm

@Shree267

Thank you so much. Any reference for the same.

Hopeful42 · Post by **Hopeful42** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:37 pm

Shree2267 wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:20 pm
@Jack79.. As far as I kind NHS are not allowed to take more than 1/3 of Monthly allocated COS applications. If NHS required to apply more than 1/3 then they might go through this Lottery stystem..

Hi, this isn’t true. What the Home Office has said is that they estimate that approximately 1/3 of RCoS usually go to the NHS, not that there’s a specific cap on NHS workers.

cali1234 · Post by **cali1234** » Wed May 02, 2018 11:02 am

There is some new on the tier 2 visa on the news

danielpdo · Post by **danielpdo** » Wed May 02, 2018 11:51 am

cali1234 wrote: ↑
Wed May 02, 2018 11:02 am
There is some new on the tier 2 visa on the news

Hi Cali, could you share the link? or is on national TV? Many thanks

CR001 · Post by **CR001** » Wed May 02, 2018 11:53 am

danielpdo wrote: ↑
Wed May 02, 2018 11:51 am

cali1234 wrote: ↑
Wed May 02, 2018 11:02 am
There is some new on the tier 2 visa on the news
Hi Cali, could you share the link? or is on national TV? Many thanks

There are many topics from recent days detailing the press articles. You don't even have to scroll to far down on the tier 2 main page to find them.

cali1234 · Post by **cali1234** » Wed May 02, 2018 12:13 pm

Just google it a lot of newspapers have covered it recently

CR001 · Post by **CR001** » Wed May 02, 2018 12:14 pm

uk-tier-2-employer-sponsored-visas/news ... 54519.html

cali1234 · Post by **cali1234** » Wed May 02, 2018 4:20 pm

Jack79 wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:17 am
@Hopeful42
I am a Urologist ( Surgeon ). I was issued CoS in Nov, visa was refused in Dec, NHS Trust applied for CoS again in March - refused for not meeting min score, April - refused for not being lucky to be picked up from the lot allotted to NHS, but have met the minimum score - this is how my HR wrote to me. I am not convinced, my Nov CoS says,

1. Gross salary including any allowances and guaranteed bonuses - 56884.49
2. Gross allowances and guaranteed bonuses included in above figure - 18961.49

With this, my score for CoS should be 55 ( 20 RLMT + 35 Salary ), 55 was good enough this time, but I have no clue as to what my salary has been shown as. Despite asking HR on couple of occasions, she is not letting me know my score, strange!

Jack your actually salary is 37000 the rest is just bonuses and allowance which are not to be included ... hence your total score points are 37 and not 55 , this is why your cos was refused

CR001 · Post by **CR001** » Wed May 02, 2018 4:23 pm

cali1234 wrote: ↑
Wed May 02, 2018 4:20 pm

Jack79 wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:17 am
@Hopeful42
I am a Urologist ( Surgeon ). I was issued CoS in Nov, visa was refused in Dec, NHS Trust applied for CoS again in March - refused for not meeting min score, April - refused for not being lucky to be picked up from the lot allotted to NHS, but have met the minimum score - this is how my HR wrote to me. I am not convinced, my Nov CoS says,

1. Gross salary including any allowances and guaranteed bonuses - 56884.49
2. Gross allowances and guaranteed bonuses included in above figure - 18961.49

With this, my score for CoS should be 55 ( 20 RLMT + 35 Salary ), 55 was good enough this time, but I have no clue as to what my salary has been shown as. Despite asking HR on couple of occasions, she is not letting me know my score, strange!

Jack your actually salary is 37000 the rest is just bonuses and allowance which are not to be included ... hence your total score points are 37 and not 55 , this is why your cos was refused

Guaranteed bonuses are included provided this was part of the RLMT etc. The guidance is clear on what is counted and what is not.

Rmn26 · Post by **Rmn26** » Wed May 02, 2018 6:12 pm

Hi,

can anyone please tell me what were the minimum points required to get the rcos application a success in April, 2018? My employer told me that my rcos was rejected, as I did not achieve the minimum points for April allocation. I will be joining as a graduate analyst with 24k salary. Is there any chances, my application for rcos will get approved in May allocation?

Will really appreciate your replies?

Thank you

Jack79 · Post by **Jack79** » Thu May 03, 2018 2:02 am

@cali1234 & @CR001 - Many thanks.
I would request you to take a look at,

www.gov.uk - Immigration Rules Appendix A : attributes - section Appropriate Salary which is next to section RLMT exemption applies

Even I did think my salary as 37000, but after reading from the above link, wasn’t able to conclude, over that, HR said, in the April round, application has met the minimum score but was unlucky in the lottery.

Anthb · Post by **Anthb** » Thu May 03, 2018 5:25 am

What’s the lottery system you’re referring to?

hiriser · Post by **hiriser** » Thu May 03, 2018 8:08 am

Rmn26 wrote: ↑
Wed May 02, 2018 6:12 pm
Hi,

can anyone please tell me what were the minimum points required to get the rcos application a success in April, 2018? My employer told me that my rcos was rejected, as I did not achieve the minimum points for April allocation. I will be joining as a graduate analyst with 24k salary. Is there any chances, my application for rcos will get approved in May allocation?

Will really appreciate your replies?

Thank you

Minimum score for April was 46. Considering the min score trend in the recent months I think, very less (or No) chances to get approved with 24k salary. Wish you Good Luck!
Here is the link to check monthly minimum score and allocation of RCoS:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship

boyapap · Post by **boyapap** » Thu May 03, 2018 8:27 am

Hi

I raised a request end of Feb to Home Office requesting information and received a response yesterday.

My Question: Information Requested
Please can you kindly provide the number of Tier 2 restricted certificate of sponsorship's (RCOS) issued to each SOC code for the month of February 2018 in electronic format or any format which saves you cost and time.
As based on the past few months its concerning that the cut off to acquire a RCOS has been increased to 46 points based on the info on the gov.uk website.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship I hope you are aware of the fact that it’s an issue now to recruit qualified IT professionals with a salary less than 50k annually, who do NOT fall under the Rcos shortage occupation category like nurses. We might need to request to exclude jobs like nurses & health care jobs from the RCOS monthly allocation. As based on the news from NHS due to the shortage of staff it looks like they would need to recruit approx 35000 nurses from overseas (India, Philippines etc) in the future. if this issue is not looked into as a matter of concern UK will have a shortage of IT skilled professionals in the near future.
Please provide the number of RCOS issued to each SOC code based on that we can foresee the future recruitment within each month otherwise it feels we are speculating that the cut off to get a rcos will reduce as each month goes by.

Response:
SOC
Count
2231 Nurses - Band 5 and equivalent
328
2119 Natural and social science professionals not elsewhere classified
165
2211 Medical practitioners - Speciality registrar (StR) and equivalent
111
2231 Nurses - Supervised practice nurses (Band 3 and equivalent)
103
2136 Programmers and software development professionals
96
2135 IT business analysts, architects and systems designers
43
2423 Management consultants and business analysts
42
2211 Medical practitioners - Speciality doctor and equivalent
39
2126 Design and development engineers
34
3534 Finance and investment analysts and advisers
31
3545 Sales accounts and business development managers
29
2311 Higher education teaching professionals
26
2217 Medical radiographers
23
3512 Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
20
2211 Medical practitioners - Consultant and equivalent
17
2211 Medical practitioners - Foundation year 2 (F2) and equivalent
17
3213 Paramedics
15
1131 Financial managers and directors
12
1132 Marketing and sales directors
12
2413 Solicitors
12
2112 Biological scientists and biochemists
11
3416 Arts officers, producers and directors
11
2133 IT specialist managers
10
2419 Legal professionals not elsewhere classified
8
2421 Chartered and certified accountants
8
2424 Business and financial project management professionals
8
1133 Purchasing managers and directors
7
2127 Production and process engineers
7
2134 IT project and programme managers
7
2113 Physical scientists
6
2129 Engineering professionals not elsewhere classified
6
2231 Nurses - Band 6 and equivalent
6
3411 Artists
6
5434 Chefs
6
1115 Chief executives and senior officials
5
1135 Human resource managers and directors
5
2123 Electrical engineers - Power system, control or protection engineer in electricity industry
5
2124 Electronics engineers
5
2139 Information technology and telecommunications professionals not elsewhere classified
5
2231 Nurses - Band 7 and equivalent
5
2121 Civil engineers
4
2137 Web design and development professionals
4
2150 Research and development managers
4
3535 Taxation experts
4
1134 Advertising and public relations directors
3
2429 Business, research and administrative professionals not elsewhere classified
3
3532 Brokers
3
3538 Financial accounts managers
3
1121 Production managers and directors in manufacturing
2
2111 Chemical scientists
2
2122 Mechanical engineers
2
2211 Medical practitioners - Foundation year 1 (F1) and equivalent
2
2219 Health professionals not elsewhere classified - Band 7 & equivalent
2
2314 Secondary education teaching professionals - combined science (with element of physics)
2
2314 Secondary education teaching professionals - mathematics
2
2425 Actuaries, economists and statisticians
2
2473 Advertising accounts managers and creative directors
2
1123 Production managers and directors in mining and energy
1
1136 Information technology and telecommunications directors
1
1139 Functional managers and directors not elsewhere classified
1
1150 Financial institution managers and directors
1
2216 Veterinarians
1
2317 Senior professionals of educational establishments
1
2426 Business and related research professionals
1
2433 Quantity surveyors
1
2436 Construction project managers and related professionals
1
2442 Social workers - Band 7 & equivalent
1
2462 Quality assurance and regulatory professionals
1
2471 Journalists, newspaper and periodical editors
1
3415 Musicians
1
3421 Graphic designers
1

Hopeful42 · Post by **Hopeful42** » Thu May 03, 2018 8:47 am

boyapap wrote: ↑
Thu May 03, 2018 8:27 am
Hi

I raised a request end of Feb to Home Office requesting information and received a response yesterday.

My Question: Information Requested
Please can you kindly provide the number of Tier 2 restricted certificate of sponsorship's (RCOS) issued to each SOC code for the month of February 2018 in electronic format or any format which saves you cost and time.
As based on the past few months its concerning that the cut off to acquire a RCOS has been increased to 46 points based on the info on the gov.uk website.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship I hope you are aware of the fact that it’s an issue now to recruit qualified IT professionals with a salary less than 50k annually, who do NOT fall under the Rcos shortage occupation category like nurses. We might need to request to exclude jobs like nurses & health care jobs from the RCOS monthly allocation. As based on the news from NHS due to the shortage of staff it looks like they would need to recruit approx 35000 nurses from overseas (India, Philippines etc) in the future. if this issue is not looked into as a matter of concern UK will have a shortage of IT skilled professionals in the near future.
Please provide the number of RCOS issued to each SOC code based on that we can foresee the future recruitment within each month otherwise it feels we are speculating that the cut off to get a rcos will reduce as each month goes by.

Response:
SOC
Count
2231 Nurses - Band 5 and equivalent
328
2119 Natural and social science professionals not elsewhere classified
165
2211 Medical practitioners - Speciality registrar (StR) and equivalent
111
2231 Nurses - Supervised practice nurses (Band 3 and equivalent)
103
2136 Programmers and software development professionals
96
2135 IT business analysts, architects and systems designers
43
2423 Management consultants and business analysts
42
2211 Medical practitioners - Speciality doctor and equivalent
39
2126 Design and development engineers
34
3534 Finance and investment analysts and advisers
31
3545 Sales accounts and business development managers
29
2311 Higher education teaching professionals
26
2217 Medical radiographers
23
3512 Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
20
2211 Medical practitioners - Consultant and equivalent
17
2211 Medical practitioners - Foundation year 2 (F2) and equivalent
17
3213 Paramedics
15
1131 Financial managers and directors
12
1132 Marketing and sales directors
12
2413 Solicitors
12
2112 Biological scientists and biochemists
11
3416 Arts officers, producers and directors
11
2133 IT specialist managers
10
2419 Legal professionals not elsewhere classified
8
2421 Chartered and certified accountants
8
2424 Business and financial project management professionals
8
1133 Purchasing managers and directors
7
2127 Production and process engineers
7
2134 IT project and programme managers
7
2113 Physical scientists
6
2129 Engineering professionals not elsewhere classified
6
2231 Nurses - Band 6 and equivalent
6
3411 Artists
6
5434 Chefs
6
1115 Chief executives and senior officials
5
1135 Human resource managers and directors
5
2123 Electrical engineers - Power system, control or protection engineer in electricity industry
5
2124 Electronics engineers
5
2139 Information technology and telecommunications professionals not elsewhere classified
5
2231 Nurses - Band 7 and equivalent
5
2121 Civil engineers
4
2137 Web design and development professionals
4
2150 Research and development managers
4
3535 Taxation experts
4
1134 Advertising and public relations directors
3
2429 Business, research and administrative professionals not elsewhere classified
3
3532 Brokers
3
3538 Financial accounts managers
3
1121 Production managers and directors in manufacturing
2
2111 Chemical scientists
2
2122 Mechanical engineers
2
2211 Medical practitioners - Foundation year 1 (F1) and equivalent
2
2219 Health professionals not elsewhere classified - Band 7 & equivalent
2
2314 Secondary education teaching professionals - combined science (with element of physics)
2
2314 Secondary education teaching professionals - mathematics
2
2425 Actuaries, economists and statisticians
2
2473 Advertising accounts managers and creative directors
2
1123 Production managers and directors in mining and energy
1
1136 Information technology and telecommunications directors
1
1139 Functional managers and directors not elsewhere classified
1
1150 Financial institution managers and directors
1
2216 Veterinarians
1
2317 Senior professionals of educational establishments
1
2426 Business and related research professionals
1
2433 Quantity surveyors
1
2436 Construction project managers and related professionals
1
2442 Social workers - Band 7 & equivalent
1
2462 Quality assurance and regulatory professionals
1
2471 Journalists, newspaper and periodical editors
1
3415 Musicians
1
3421 Graphic designers
1

Hi, thanks for asking for this. Although it will obviously be very different every month it's still useful to see. From my calculations thats 1352 RCoS just through shortage occupations...little wonder the cut off has been so high.

CR001 · Post by **CR001** » Thu May 03, 2018 8:47 am

Topic subject changed accordingly as this is NOT a 'general all chip in May RCoS' thread and topic will now be locked due to all tagging on and hijacking user "mohancgr" thread and questions related to their specific query.

Apologies to user 'mohancgr'.

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