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Thank you for your advise. I want to state here that I am not living in the UK. I am currently residing in the UAE where I currently work full time. I assumed we only needed to provide documents to show that my wife was a qualifying spouse i.e. marriage certificate and photos, letter, which I provided based on stories here and other sites of visas that were granted. And proof that I will be exercising my treaty rights according to INIS website is "proof that the EU/EEA/Swiss citizen is exercising free movement rights in Ireland e.g. proof that the EU/ EEA/Swiss citizen already resides in the State or a declaration or statement of confirmation that the EU/EEA/Swiss citizen will be exercising those rights at the time of the applicant family member’s arrival in Ireland" there is no where it states I should have a job here or I should prove self sufficiency. am I missing something somewhere?littlerr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:30 pmI don't mean to be harsh, but it sounds like this is a very poorly prepared application. I honestly can't see how you would be able to appeal that decision.
Firstly, I think you misunderstood the EU Treaty Rights. EU Treaty Rights are not just about free movement. You can freely move to another country for a short holiday, but if you want to stay for more than 3 months, you need to show proof that you are not a burden to the state by having a job, being self-sufficient or engaging in full-time study.
Since you two are married and you are a UK citizen living in the UK, your wife should apply for a EU Family Residence card in the UK first. You two can then travel to Ireland without a visa on the basis that you have a job or you are self-sufficient.
I assume that your wife doesn't have this card, hence the reason for applying for an Irish entry visa. If you don't satisfy the requirements set out by the UK government, the chances are slim that the Irish government will approve the visa as the requirements are quite similar.
Then you mentioned that the requirements did not say you need to provide certain proofs - except they do. The INIS website http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Fa ... 20citizens clearly stated that you need to provide "proof that the EU/EEA/Swiss citizen is exercising free movement rights in Ireland". Again this right is based on the fact that you have a job here or you are being self-sufficient.
Lastly, dude just use common sense. No country in the world would accept a visa application if the applicant doesn't have a job or sufficient savings, a travel plan, an intended place to stay. Whenever I need to apply for a visa to go to the UK or any other country, I would supply all of such information, and I would supply more than one proofs for each category if possible.
Thank you. I will apply again addressing every single reason for refusal. Moving to Ireland without my family will be very difficult, as their visas are dependent on my residence visa here in the UAE. Is there any other way of tackling this? Thanksmax307 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:06 pmI think their biggest concern is that you will use Ireland as a back door to the UK through the Common Travel Area (CTA) given the fact that there is no passport control between Ireland and the UK.
I recommended to others in similar circumstances to not waste time and effort in an appeal. I would submit another application tackling every single reason for refusal, you have their letter so you know what exactly they had issues with.
It might involve you moving to Ireland and getting a job here, I think that's the best case scenario for the visa to be approved.
As I mentioned earlier, this is the core requirement for exercising EU Treaty Rights. You can't just say to the immigration officer that you want to "exercise EU Treaty Rights" without knowing what it iscompacttree wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:11 pmthere is no where it states I should have a job here or I should prove self sufficiency. am I missing something somewhere?
If you are a national of the European Economic Area (EEA) or of Switzerland, you have the right to stay in Ireland, and your family members have the right to stay here also. There are some limits to this right, however.
You can stay in Ireland for up to 3 months without restriction. If you plan to stay more than 3 months, you must either:
Be engaged in economic activity (employed or self-employed) or
Have enough resources and sickness insurance to ensure that you do not become a burden on the social services of Ireland or
Be enrolled as a student or vocational trainee or
Be a family member of a EU citizen in one of the previous categories.
I don't think so to be honest, with your current immigration history (visa refusals) the visa officer won't issue you a visa by submitting a new application with just a letter of intent to exercise your EU Treaty Rights in Ireland at some stage.compacttree wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:30 pmThank you. I will apply again addressing every single reason for refusal. Moving to Ireland without my family will be very difficult, as their visas are dependent on my residence visa here in the UAE. Is there any other way of tackling this? Thanksmax307 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:06 pmI think their biggest concern is that you will use Ireland as a back door to the UK through the Common Travel Area (CTA) given the fact that there is no passport control between Ireland and the UK.
I recommended to others in similar circumstances to not waste time and effort in an appeal. I would submit another application tackling every single reason for refusal, you have their letter so you know what exactly they had issues with.
It might involve you moving to Ireland and getting a job here, I think that's the best case scenario for the visa to be approved.
littlerr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:24 pmAs I mentioned earlier, this is the core requirement for exercising EU Treaty Rights. You can't just say to the immigration officer that you want to "exercise EU Treaty Rights" without knowing what it iscompacttree wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:11 pmthere is no where it states I should have a job here or I should prove self sufficiency. am I missing something somewhere?
The requirements are more or less the same in all EU countries. The below is from Ireland.
If you are a national of the European Economic Area (EEA) or of Switzerland, you have the right to stay in Ireland, and your family members have the right to stay here also. There are some limits to this right, however.
You can stay in Ireland for up to 3 months without restriction. If you plan to stay more than 3 months, you must either:
Be engaged in economic activity (employed or self-employed) or
Have enough resources and sickness insurance to ensure that you do not become a burden on the social services of Ireland or
Be enrolled as a student or vocational trainee or
Be a family member of a EU citizen in one of the previous categories.
littlerr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:30 pmI don't mean to be harsh, but it sounds like this is a very poorly prepared application. I honestly can't see how you would be able to appeal that decision.
Firstly, I think you misunderstood the EU Treaty Rights. EU Treaty Rights are not just about free movement. You can freely move to another country for a short holiday, but if you want to stay for more than 3 months, you need to show proof that you are not a burden to the state by having a job, being self-sufficient or engaging in full-time study.
Since you two are married and you are a UK citizen living in the UK, your wife should apply for a EU Family Residence card in the UK first. You two can then travel to Ireland without a visa on the basis that you have a job or you are self-sufficient.
I assume that your wife doesn't have this card, hence the reason for applying for an Irish entry visa. If you don't satisfy the requirements set out by the UK government, the chances are slim that the Irish government will approve the visa as the requirements are quite similar.
Then you mentioned that the requirements did not say you need to provide certain proofs - except they do. The INIS website http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Fa ... 20citizens clearly stated that you need to provide "proof that the EU/EEA/Swiss citizen is exercising free movement rights in Ireland". Again this right is based on the fact that you have a job here or you are being self-sufficient.
Lastly, dude just use common sense. No country in the world would accept a visa application if the applicant doesn't have a job or sufficient savings, a travel plan, an intended place to stay. Whenever I need to apply for a visa to go to the UK or any other country, I would supply all of such information, and I would supply more than one proofs for each category if possible.