Job for wireless/ mobile techniologies

Hi Guys
I am thinking of applying to tier 1 soon. I have 9 years experience in wireless tecnnologies working with mobile service providers in North America. What is the chance of getting a job if I move there and what is the average salary.
Best

Please do not post ambiguous questions like this. It is very tough to answer these type of questions. It would be better if you could share what is the background work you have done after getting the Tier-1 Visa, say like choosing the proper jobsites to upload your CV, properly formatting your CV to attract the views of recruiters, covering letters while applying to jobs etc..
I think this would help members to understand the situation from your viewpoint and probably fetch you some more friends seeking job/or working in the same domain

Shepherd

Why you consider this as ambigous. I am trying to see the experience of others and then post my own. This will be useful for so many who having the same skills and I am sure there are many who can contribute

Thx

To answer to ab11's question -
9 yrs is good but in the current market there are no guarantees at all. Avg pay for a 9yr experienced person can vary from £35k upto even £100k but it all just depends on YOUR profile. Competition is stiff and salaries are really very crazy and depends on

1. How badly a company needs you
2. How relevant your actual exp is wrt to your employer - you may have 9 but only 5 of them are considered
3. How much they offer you / how much they can convince you to accept - This is completely besides what the current market rate may be
4. How good are your communication skills
5. Are you management material to move up into senior roles and benefit the company
6. How many prior interview calls have you actually got so YOU know if your profile is in demand
...and many others

Bottom line - you just have 2 options
1. While in the US, upload your CV on some of the leading sites and see if you get a call or atleast some interest. You then know if there is a possible demand for your role. If lucky, you can get a few telephonic interviews
2. Apply for Tier 1, take a month's break and come to the UK and apply for roles. This is the best indicator of your chances as agents/companies will naturally hire a person who is local than think of one present in the States.

And as the market is extremely tight, 100s of applications for a single opening, people ready to accept any salary and possibly many other 9yr experienced guys in wireless technologies who are contractors or out of a job its not easy to give a straight answer at all. You have to personally try things out.

Hope you get the picture here - Personally, if you have a decent job in the States now then its honestly not the time to come over to the UK at the moment. Its not like you are in India/Asia being overworked and underpaid with average quality of life. I have cross checked and compared UK and US salaries and keeping conversion rates, taxes and expenses in mind they tend to be pretty much the same actually

All the best
KP

Many thanks kenfrapin for these details. They are very useful. As you said I will try to apply to some jobs and see if I receive some responses. I have no experience of working in the UK apart from getting my postgraduate degree from there many years back. From what I read and as you mentioned the competition is high and as such though I was planning to apply months back I always delay that. However, now the rules are becoming difficult and will be even more difficult so that no one will be sure if he/she will be able to meet the requirements.

1 job = 100 applications

Many competition for single job

People are available to take job for any compensation

Much experienced candidate ready to work into for any roles


IS THERE ANY PLACE ON THIS EARTH WHERE THIS DOES NOT EXIST. Please let me know. Let me migrate there.


Many thanks

indianinworld wrote:
IS THERE ANY PLACE ON THIS EARTH WHERE THIS DOES NOT EXIST. Please let me know. Let me migrate there.

A wonderful city called BANGALORE located South of India - currently, lots of jobs unlike before. Rampant hiring in the IT Sector since a year now and set to continue for some more time. ALL My friends who have moved on have got min pay hikes of 30% and some mental dudes got upto 70%

So you now know why I keep telling exp guys to try back in India than come and spend all their money here. If you cannot manage to secure a well paid job in such an atmosphere then chances of getting a job in the current UK market is a big ZERO.
This is what many dont realize - if a 10 yr exp guy cannot get a well paid job in cities like Bangalore, then how in the world do they think they have a profile that is in demand here and will pay very well?

KP

kenfrapin wrote:

indianinworld wrote:
IS THERE ANY PLACE ON THIS EARTH WHERE THIS DOES NOT EXIST. Please let me know. Let me migrate there.

Rampant hiring in the IT Sector since a year now and set to continue for some more time. ALL My friends who have moved on have got min pay hikes of 30% and some mental dudes got upto 70%
KP

I dont know. This makes me feel that iam living outside India and my friends in Bangalore are incompetent enough to get such hike (irrespective of whether they are already on a good pay scale with their current organisation or less payscale ).

If i get a decent salary for 'n' years of experience, i dont know if i can expect a 30 % / 70 % hike in the new company. Unless it is a very rare technology that is being used and only few hundred people are available with such a skill set across India.
When generalizing things, i personally would expect atleast 60 % of people who apply in Bangalore go between the hike rate of 30 % and 70 % - In simple terms 6.5 person on a average out of every 10 heads who attend interviews.

70 % - Unbelievable.

Anyways, With this what i can conclude is (as i said earlier) - i dont have enough market knowledge OR i myself or my friends don't have skills to get that hike in New Delhi or Mumbai or Bangalore (Cities in order of 'HIGH' cost of living in India - becos CTC is directly proportional to the city/place where you live).

All i know is - i can even get 200 % hike when my current Compensation in my current organisation is FAR BELOW the market standards (irrespective of whether, you work for a Tier 1 company or for a Road side company).

Very true Indianworld and this is what stumps us all - there is no absolute way of comparing the UK and India because some make it and some dont.

Just as a general rule - everything you said can be applied to the UK which is why I say - if one cannot bag the well paid jobs on offer in their home country, the chances of getting a good job as per UK standards is a lot more difficult - I hope this makes sense

The only face saving and most important fact is - better to get a job that pays £30k in Europe than earn just Rs 8lakhs in India - but the issue is all the opportunity costs that goes in trying to secure that £30k job in today's UK job market

And all this is mainly because, and surprisingly, number of offers in the UK market today is way below those on offer in countries like India - and all this is mainly because the talent has left the country to try their luck in the West.

The net result are so many talented people out here with not so special jobs and pay and the slightly smart guys back home are notching up the good jobs. I would move back home at once if I know my partner and I can secure jobs with cumulative salaries above Rs 20lakhs - that will do for me any day that just one of us working here!!!!

The beauty that is LIFE

KP

Why you consider this as ambigous.

I consider the OP's question as ambiguous (in motive rather than content) because he/she is yet to apply for Tier-1 and thinking about the average salaries in the particular domain. It is a classic case of counting chickens before the eggs hatch. This work ideally should start after you get the Tier-1 and before the Visa validity starts kicking in. The second reason I consider this as ambiguous is that asking for the chances of getting job. This question does not have an answer and has been told in many ways in this forum by experienced posters such as Kenfrapin.

I am trying to see the experience of others and then post my own. This will be useful for so many who having the same skills and I am sure there are many who can contribute

Remember that in Online forum's (generally) the basic principle is give and take. That is the poster's ask for help and give a background to what they have done/going to do and where they need help. This helps the other posters to note down the options you might have already tried and suggest accordingly, rather than airing all kinds of suggestion(s) which may/may not be useful to you.

Shepherd

kenfrapin wrote:Very true Indianworld and this is what stumps us all - there is no absolute way of comparing the UK and India because some make it and some dont.

Just as a general rule - everything you said can be applied to the UK which is why I say - if one cannot bag the well paid jobs on offer in their home country, the chances of getting a good job as per UK standards is a lot more difficult - I hope this makes sense

The only face saving and most important fact is - better to get a job that pays £30k in Europe than earn just Rs 8lakhs in India - but the issue is all the opportunity costs that goes in trying to secure that £30k job in today's UK job market

And all this is mainly because, and surprisingly, number of offers in the UK market today is way below those on offer in countries like India - and all this is mainly because the talent has left the country to try their luck in the West.

The net result are so many talented people out here with not so special jobs and pay and the slightly smart guys back home are notching up the good jobs. I would move back home at once if I know my partner and I can secure jobs with cumulative salaries above Rs 20lakhs - that will do for me any day that just one of us working here!!!!

The beauty that is LIFE

KP

Using your own numbers, if ur ctc in india currently ( or last drawn indian ctc with nominal hikes till date) is over 6l each, you could get offers of 10l each applying a 'conservative' 50% hike do u agree?

Also dont agree with the not so smart guys all back in India.
I have seen enough outside to believe otherwise. Its just individual circumstances. I dont think more than 20% of people in india believe in migrating outside India for work/money. This number maybe 40-50% in case of IT due to exposure.

I agree Indian IT job market is hot and jobs are garunteed. If you are getting a 'good' salary in the current company, the lower bracket of 30% will apply. Even if you bargain hard and say get a 50% hike, eventually after 2-4 years it all falls flat. Normalization is the name. No matter how you perform etc.

Personal experience.

I agree with you that whoever is not able to get a decent job back home has almost nada chance in UK, i might as well go on and say its not an easy task to get one in UK even if you have bagged a plum offer in India. Dynamics are different.

Very well said Outbound
As for me, earning 10lakhs each would have been easy if I was drawing over 6lakhs when I was there and if my partner too works in the IT world. I am smart enough to ensure my work life and personal life dont both have the word IT in it

But yes, the high paid jobs in Blore will not last long. If you get a 50% hike and join a company, it is guaranteed that your hikes in subsequent years will be minimal and thus over a 3 year period, that initial 50% hike will even itself out.

I only know that currently, the best place in the world for Doctors - both specialists and general physicians is the UK - you come here, spend 2 years gaining reqd practical exp and clear exams and then get a starting job of £80k to £100k. In time, just a general physician in a GP can draw more than £150k. If you continue and work for 7 years, you become a Consultant where you earn, at a minimum around £225k

I know this because I have relatives from this community. Doctors feel that even £125k is not enough for them, and here we are talking of salaries in the £60k range

KP

That's absolutely true. However there is no free lunch in this world. If my job involves looking forward to meet sick people everyday and dead bodies once in a while, I m rather happy looking at £60k. That said docs do the same job in India as well, so it's much better to do that in UK. Same goes for attorneys in USA.

ab11 wrote:Hi Guys
I am thinking of applying to tier 1 soon. I have 9 years experience in wireless tecnnologies working with mobile service providers in North America. What is the chance of getting a job if I move there and what is the average salary.
Best

Can't believe that people with 9 years experience asking such silly question. Grow up mate. It is bit harsh but it will be extremely difficult for you to get a job here esp. kids like you. This is an internet age and you can find such information relaxing on the beach on other corner of the world by check job sites.

Many people ask such question "can I get a job in the UK ?" "Can I get job in XXX area" "How much I can earn ?" "How much I can save"? Ans is : It depends...It depends on area, It depends what you mean by 9 years experience. How much is effective experience in latest technology (if you worked 9 years on lotus notes/NT no chance getting the job). It depends on your ability (If you are genius, you can get a job straight away in any company / University, if you are not, bad luck), It depends on your life style.

Bear in mind, Indian education doesn't matter here. Majority interviewers don't know what is IIT , IIMS etc etc. So if you are studied any good university in the India and go to interview with all the grads and certificates nobody is going to see it. Job market is changing all the time and grass is not greener other side. You have to fight for survival. If you are a Phd holder in India, you might be driving a taxi here. Because I know in India how majority people do real study (35 lakh for Doctor, Engg. around 8 lakh, tutions in Engg college ... right? ). Electrical Engg. but doesn't know how to change a light bulb.

I will tell you one secret if you want to survive here. Come with some trade skills like auto mechanic or get ready for any cleaning/strawberry picking jobs.

So in nutshell this country is not too bad for immigrants, however, if you cannot get a 7000 Rs/month job in India (or get a job lying on the CV/ paying donation in Engg college /by dad's reputation with company CEO), there are pretty good chances you will not get here. If you are genius and proved your self with practical and academic skills, surely you will get job in any field.

This is wrong bit with Indian people. They proud of their habit of doing hard work, but you need smart and practical work as well. And don't rant this kind of questions on the forums.

USE INTERNET TO FIND JOBS........SIMPLE

poths232 wrote:

ab11 wrote:Hi Guys
I am thinking of applying to tier 1 soon. I have 9 years experience in wireless tecnnologies working with mobile service providers in North America. What is the chance of getting a job if I move there and what is the average salary.
Best

Can't believe that people with 9 years experience asking such silly question. Grow up mate. It is bit harsh but it will be extremely difficult for you to get a job here esp. kids like you. This is an internet age and you can find such information relaxing on the beach on other corner of the world by check job sites.

Many people ask such question "can I get a job in the UK ?" "Can I get job in XXX area" "How much I can earn ?" "How much I can save"? Ans is : It depends...It depends on area, It depends what you mean by 9 years experience. How much is effective experience in latest technology (if you worked 9 years on lotus notes/NT no chance getting the job). It depends on your ability (If you are genius, you can get a job straight away in any company / University, if you are not, bad luck), It depends on your life style.

Bear in mind, Indian education doesn't matter here. Majority interviewers don't know what is IIT , IIMS etc etc. So if you are studied any good university in the India and go to interview with all the grads and certificates nobody is going to see it. Job market is changing all the time and grass is not greener other side. You have to fight for survival. If you are a Phd holder in India, you might be driving a taxi here. Because I know in India how majority people do real study (35 lakh for Doctor, Engg. around 8 lakh, tutions in Engg college ... right? ). Electrical Engg. but doesn't know how to change a light bulb.

I will tell you one secret if you want to survive here. Come with some trade skills like auto mechanic or get ready for any cleaning/strawberry picking jobs.

So in nutshell this country is not too bad for immigrants, however, if you cannot get a 7000 Rs/month job in India (or get a job lying on the CV/ paying donation in Engg college /by dad's reputation with company CEO), there are pretty good chances you will not get here. If you are genius and proved your self with practical and academic skills, surely you will get job in any field.

This is wrong bit with Indian people. They proud of their habit of doing hard work, but you need smart and practical work as well. And don't rant this kind of questions on the forums.

USE INTERNET TO FIND JOBS........SIMPLE

why are you on your RANT after asking others not to!!

I agree some of the questions are too general and gives an impression that they have not made any search themselves - but what the OP was looking for is in a specific technology what is the market ...and somebody with first hand information can share.
and i find many people have thanked posters like KP for sharing their experience and find the information sharing very useful. There is a difference in getting information from newspapers and from real experience. - and whatever you have posted is NOT useful to anyone

Hi Poth
Once you have some years of experience you will appreciate why people ask these questions. The more experience you get the more you fell that you should ask and seek other people advice. Because your intention from day one was to get a cleaning job, as you mentioned, then I agree with you that you don’t need to ask these kinds of questions. Probably, you go and read the London Evening Standards and find what you are looking for. The post by Idea has thankfully explained to you some of the advantages of these questions and as such I don’t need to waste more time on this.
My advice to you is that if you have a degree and you are looking for a degree-based job then try to ask and seek advice from others who were there before you.
If you read my subsequent post then you will see that my degree was from the UK and I do have a good picture about life there. However, though I did some TA job in the university I have never looked for a full time job and more imortant I don't have a picture of the current UK market. KP has provided a good useful feedback and I was grateful to him

Thanks