Eu Treaty files waiting time - EU1 or EU1A

Angel99 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:42 am

Hi @Nicole77,

1. Yes chat history is sufficient
2. Family photo will suffice and if possible add the chat of your engagement plan.
3. Your bank statement, a recent utility bill from your inlaw or a letter from her confirming you lived there plus a copy of her passport.
4. You don't need to list all his travels. You can just list atleast 5 starting from couple atleast 2 years before and after you got married.

****It will be your own advantage to change to Stamp 4 as a family member of an EU citizen. Although you haven't been granted the full permission yet, your relationship with the EU citizen has been acknowledged. Simply, you can't be deported except you involve in some serious crime.

In Ireland they require proof of cohabitation before marriage for EU treaty rights even if you have a marriage certificate. Unlike Schengen countries where you fill 1 page application form and require just marriage certificate to grant you residence on the spot.

Hi Angel,

Thank u so much for ur detailed reply and helpful advice! I really appreciate it~~ Your insights have made things much clearer for me. I'll prepare the docs following ur guide! thank u so much!

Kindest regards,
Nicole

silentghost13 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:26 pm

Angel99 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 03, 2024 4:12 am

Just hope they will expedite the application. Though some people got theirs 1 - 2 months. Majority are issued by 6 months - 1 year.

If it's urgent best was moving to another EU country then move back to Ireland with your spouse at the same time when she receives her EU- residence card.

Or just be patient.

I just got an answer of refusal of the visa, because I didn't submit the evidence of relationship.
and proof of my wife residing in ireland.
Can you please help me to make the appeal ?

Hi silentghost13,
First of all, I’m sorry to hear that your application was rejected. However, I’m not entirely surprised, as the majority of applications are often rejected on the first attempt, sometimes on unfounded grounds.
That said, if you prepare a strong appeal based on facts rather than emotions, there is a good chance the decision could be reversed, and you may be granted a visa.
I have experience helping many people with their appeals, so if you’re interested, I’d be happy to assist you. Let’s discuss this further in private.

Hi all,

I have a temporary stamp 4, would i be able to travel with my eu spouse to her home country without interruption. or would i still need a visa?

trevor35657 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:16 pm

Hi all,

I have a temporary stamp 4, would i be able to travel with my eu spouse to her home country without interruption. or would i still need a visa?

Hi,

You will need a schengen visa under your spouse's local immigration law if you intend to visit there. Thus you will need to also prove financial requirements plus prove you will return to your country of residence. (Few states also use EU law for their own nationals but they have right to refuse your visa)

***Normal Stamp 4 is only valid in Ireland. Stamp 4EUFAM is valid for all EU.
The easiest way is using another EU country for entry visa so you can enjoy freemovement privileges.

the hurricane wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:42 pm

silentghost13 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:26 pm

Angel99 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 03, 2024 4:12 am

Just hope they will expedite the application. Though some people got theirs 1 - 2 months. Majority are issued by 6 months - 1 year.

If it's urgent best was moving to another EU country then move back to Ireland with your spouse at the same time when she receives her EU- residence card.

Or just be patient.

I just got an answer of refusal of the visa, because I didn't submit the evidence of relationship.
and proof of my wife residing in ireland.
Can you please help me to make the appeal ?

Hi silentghost13,
First of all, I’m sorry to hear that your application was rejected. However, I’m not entirely surprised, as the majority of applications are often rejected on the first attempt, sometimes on unfounded grounds.
That said, if you prepare a strong appeal based on facts rather than emotions, there is a good chance the decision could be reversed, and you may be granted a visa.
I have experience helping many people with their appeals, so if you’re interested, I’d be happy to assist you. Let’s discuss this further in private.

I submitted the following
relationship evidence:
WhatsApp screenshots
facetime screenshots
our pictures together
my wife's passport stamps coming to my country
her flight tickets visiting me and also a flight ticket that she was supposed to visit me in the future,
bank statement of money she used to send me
for EU free movement evidence:
a letter from her sister stating she lives with her in Ireland in a house that she is renting
utility bills (electricity and gas)
a copy of her rental agreement
her taxes summary from revenue.ie
last 6 pay slips
letter of employment
and a doctor bill from April 2024.
Do you think I have strong case?

@silentghost13 Hi,
I advised you here and on private message which I reponded with what you needed. You only need 6 of all what you have listed.

1.WhatsApp messages
2. **(Optional) Face time screenshot OR pictures
3. Wife's passport stamps
4. Letter from her sister
5. Utility bill and a note on top that her sister lives there.
6. 2 recent payslips (previous pays are added to her deductible gross pay at the time)
7. Employment contract

***** Separated with paper clips

Angel99 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 30, 2024 6:04 am

@silentghost13 Hi,
I advised you here and on private message which I reponded with what you needed. You only need 6 of all what you have listed.

1.WhatsApp messages
2. **(Optional) Face time screenshot OR pictures
3. Wife's passport stamps
4. Letter from her sister
5. Utility bill and a note on top that her sister lives there.
6. 2 recent payslips (previous pays are added to her deductible gross pay at the time)
7. Employment contract

***** Separated with paper clips

will be an issue if the address she lives in is written in the letter but not in the bills?
because her sister wrote clearly in the letter the address she lives in and also the date she started living in the mentioned address.

@silentghost13
What you provided is fine.

Hi All,

I hope this message finds you well.

I have a question regarding my current situation. I applied for EUTR1A in August 2023, but my application was rejected. I appealed the decision in May 2024, but since then, I have not received any updates. In September 2024, my partner and I registered our Civil Partnership (PACS) in France embassy and submitted the certificate to the EU Treaty Rights Office, but there has still been no response.

Given the prolonged waiting time, which could take up to 24 months and few other reasons, my partner and I have decided to move out of Ireland. We are planning to relocate to the Netherlands, as we believe the process there may be smoother since it is a Schengen country.

To start the permanent residency process in the Netherlands, I need to travel there with my partner. This requires applying for a Schengen visa through the Netherlands. However, the visa application requires proof of residency in my current country, which is Ireland. Unfortunately, since the EU Treaty Rights Office has not issued me a temporary stamp, I am unsure how to proceed.

Additionally, I cannot return to my home country to begin the visa application process there, as I need to assist my partner with the move. If I leave Ireland, I won’t be able to return.

I would greatly appreciate any advice or guidance on how to navigate this situation.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Hi, @gulfrador

You have 2 options here.
1. Apply for an Irish reentry visa. Add your EUTR acknowledgement/appeal application letter and a color copy of your reentry visa. Apply for a schengen visa but not as you are relocating. You need to include you and your partner's return tickets. (Civil partnership certificate translated to English, you and partner's color copy of ID/passports and booked return tickets "2 weeks vacation)

2. Apply for schengen visa and include your negative decision letter with appeal letter acknowledgement. Add a cover letter explaining you and civil registered partner plan to relocate.



***It's best you avoid a visa center(vfs nd etc). Apply directly to an embassy and as your only place for visit ( Don't add other destinations). I will recommend portugal e-visa..

After you get the Portugal schengen visa you can use it to apply for residence in Netherlands or anywhere. In schengen.

Angel99 wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 03, 2024 5:10 am

I will recommend portugal e-visa..

It's not really a e-visa per se, as far as I know - just a fancy name for online visa portal.

I know that Greek visas are done throught the consulate directly, as well as French ones, if that helps.

Angel99 wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 03, 2024 5:10 am

Hi, @gulfrador

You have 2 options here.
1. Apply for an Irish reentry visa. Add your EUTR acknowledgement/appeal application letter and a color copy of your reentry visa. Apply for a schengen visa but not as you are relocating. You need to include you and your partner's return tickets. (Civil partnership certificate translated to English, you and partner's color copy of ID/passports and booked return tickets "2 weeks vacation)

2. Apply for schengen visa and include your negative decision letter with appeal letter acknowledgement. Add a cover letter explaining you and civil registered partner plan to relocate.



***It's best you avoid a visa center(vfs nd etc). Apply directly to an embassy and as your only place for visit ( Don't add other destinations). I will recommend portugal e-visa..

After you get the Portugal schengen visa you can use it to apply for residence in Netherlands or anywhere. In schengen.

Thank you for your advice, Angel. Would it make sense to send an email to the French embassy explaining my situation? My partner is French, and our civil partnership certificate is also from France. Perhaps this could help me obtain a Schengen visa from France without Irish Residency, allowing me to travel to the Netherlands via France.

And, do you think there is high possibility of getting the Schengen with any of these methods? Or its a high possibility of rejection?

Thank you again!

@gulfrador

If you apply to France they will put you on domestic immigration law since your partner is French. Thus they can demand whatever from you and might need to show financial means.

But if you go by my method ONE in my previous message, you will be under EU law which means you will only be required to provide partnership certificate, maybe your birth certificate, you and your partner's IDs, return tickets showing you and your partner are travelling together. If you take method TWO, you only need 1 way ticket for both of you.

As i recommended Portugal e-visa. They will let you keep your passport until your visa is ready. Application and docs are also pre-submitted on their online portal. You can also take @Meself2 suggestions (Greece)


**Method One there is high possibility you will be granted the visa. They might not even ask you to provide copy of your residency. You can hold that back until they themselves ask you to provide it. Then you can give them the decision letter and appeal acknowledgement.

***Schengen visa can be used in all schengen countries

Angel99 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 05, 2024 4:18 pm

@gulfrador

If you apply to France they will put you on domestic immigration law since your partner is French. Thus they can demand whatever from you and might need to show financial means.

But if you go by my method ONE in my previous message, you will be under EU law which means you will only be required to provide partnership certificate, maybe your birth certificate, you and your partner's IDs, return tickets showing you and your partner are travelling together. If you take method TWO, you only need 1 way ticket for both of you.

As i recommended Portugal e-visa. They will let you keep your passport until your visa is ready. Application and docs are also pre-submitted on their online portal. You can also take @Meself2 suggestions (Greece)


**Method One there is high possibility you will be granted the visa. They might not even ask you to provide copy of your residency. You can hold that back until they themselves ask you to provide it. Then you can give them the decision letter and appeal acknowledgement.

***Schengen visa can be used in all schengen countries

Hi Angel,

Thank you once again for your help. I’m currently juggling a lot of research on this matter. Referring to your first method in your previous message, I’m unclear about what you mean by “apply for an Irish reentry visa.” To my knowledge, reentry visas are no longer in use since the GNIB card allows border crossing. Even when reentry visas were in place, they required a valid GNIB card to issue one accordingly.

Regarding the EU Treaty Rights application, I wasn’t issued a temporary visa while my appeal is being processed. If you’re suggesting applying for a visitor visa from Ireland, that option isn’t viable either because I’m already in Ireland. Moreover, leaving Ireland to apply from my home country feels risky—if the application is refused, it could create a huge problem, especially since my girlfriend is still in Ireland until we move to the Netherlands.

Thank you again for your help Angel.

@gulfrador

Reentry visas are still issued in exceptional cases. You do not need IRP to request for reentry visa. They will issue it if your application is in process and you have proof to travel.

EU family visas are not visit visas. They are short stay visas under freemovement. There are 2 types of visas, if you are travelling but won't apply for residence they can issue you 1- 3 months visa. If you apply as relocating they can issue 1-5years or until the expiry of your passport. In both cases you can still use the visa to apply for residence.

** You can apply for the Schengen EU family visa in Ireland so far as your EUTR or appeal is in process. You just have to avoid VFS and the likes. Normally they don't even ask for proof of residence when you apply direct to the embassy.

Angel99 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 09, 2024 3:38 pm

@gulfrador

Reentry visas are still issued in exceptional cases. You do not need IRP to request for reentry visa. They will issue it if your application is in process and you have proof to travel.

EU family visas are not visit visas. They are short stay visas under freemovement. There are 2 types of visas, if you are travelling but won't apply for residence they can issue you 1- 3 months visa. If you apply as relocating they can issue 1-5years or until the expiry of your passport. In both cases you can still use the visa to apply for residence.

** You can apply for the Schengen EU family visa in Ireland so far as your EUTR or appeal is in process. You just have to avoid VFS and the likes. Normally they don't even ask for proof of residence when you apply direct to the embassy.

Hi Angel,

Thank you very much for your help so far!

I have two final questions, if you don’t mind.

First, I plan to apply for a Schengen visa through the Czech Republic (not Portugal, as due to my nationality, they require financial information even though I intend to apply as a Family Member of an EU citizen). The Czech embassy in Dublin handles this process and requires the following documents:
1. Passport
2. Photo
3. Passport of the EU citizen
4. Proof of registered partnership
5. Proof of traveling together (e.g., flight tickets)
6. Application form

On the application form, question 20 asks: “Residence in a country other than the country of current nationality?” If I choose “Yes,” I am required to provide an expiry date. In this case, should I select “Yes,” provide a date, and leave it at that since a copy of my IRP is not listed as a required document?

Second, regarding the re-entry visa, I have reviewed various websites but cannot find information on how to apply for a re-entry visa given my specific situation (my appeal application is still in process). Could you advise on how I might proceed with this?

Thank you again, Angel!

@gulfrador

Freemovement requirements are not based on nationalities. However if you would like to apply through the Czechs, skip method 1 and re-entry visa.

**Relocation

Provide all the basic requirements for the EU family visa plus one way reserved/booked ticket showing you and your partner are travelling together. You need to also add a copy of your EUTR decision and appeal acknowledgement letter. (Use plastic paper clip to put it together).

How to fill the form;
20. Yes; Residence permit.......N/A......No. .....N/A..... Valid until:.....N/A.....
23.Other; EU family member
25 and 26 : Czech Republic
27.Number of entries: Single entry
28. Should amount to 90 days.


All the best

Hi All,

I finally got my approval for Irish Residency today. My timeline;

EUTR1A Application: 03/08/2024
EUTR1A Rejection: 15/04/2024
Appeal: 15/05/2024
Approval: 20/12/2024

Only thing I’d like to ask is, on the letter it says since I have never registered any kind of stamp before I need to book appointment at immigration for getting the residency card. The thing is, I’ve already had stamp in Ireland (Stamp 2 twice). In this case should I apply online or still need to book an appointment?

Thank you.

gulfrador wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:21 pm

The thing is, I’ve already had stamp in Ireland (Stamp 2 twice). In this case should I apply online or still need to book an appointment?

I think you're fine to apply online.

Hi Everyone
I have a question to ask about the application of EUTR1 application.
Am a French citizen willing to relocate to Ireland with my partner and kids. I and my children as French nationality. My partner only as 2 years resident permit in France as Father of French citizen. Is it possible for my partner to relocate with us and apply for Stamp 4 EUFAM when we are in Ireland?

I will appreciate if i can get an answer to this.

ashubby wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:53 pm

Hi Everyone
I have a question to ask about the application of EUTR1 application.
Am a French citizen willing to relocate to Ireland with my partner and kids. I and my children as French nationality. My partner only as 2 years resident permit in France as Father of French citizen. Is it possible for my partner to relocate with us and apply for Stamp 4 EUFAM when we are in Ireland?

I will appreciate if i can get an answer to this.

What do you mean by saying "partner"? Are you married?
How long have you been living together?

For EUTR, EU citizen should exercise treaty rights, ie work -> I would assume that your partner would need to rely on your relationship with you, not with the child, if you want Stamp 4 EUFAM; possibly Ibrahim/Texeira to look at but this isn't my area of knowledge at all.

More details are needed anyways and it won't be straightforward.

Hi All,

I have a question regarding my current situation. I am French national and called my wife and son non eu national, they came here on c visa mention EUTR spouse, one here in Ireland I applied for EUTR1A on 15th December 2024. through a solicitor as we were a bit hurry because my wife is pregnant.

Have you any idea how much time it will take to receive the reply of EUTR? As I understand it is a bit faster now a days?
If they decided to give her temporary stamp, will they give the appointment directly or we will have to apply ?

We are living in Dublin.

Thank you

Best regards

meself2 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:00 pm

ashubby wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:53 pm

Hi Everyone
I have a question to ask about the application of EUTR1 application.
Am a French citizen willing to relocate to Ireland with my partner and kids. I and my children as French nationality. My partner only as 2 years resident permit in France as Father of French citizen. Is it possible for my partner to relocate with us and apply for Stamp 4 EUFAM when we are in Ireland?

I will appreciate if i can get an answer to this.

What do you mean by saying "partner"? Are you married?
How long have you been living together?

For EUTR, EU citizen should exercise treaty rights, ie work -> I would assume that your partner would need to rely on your relationship with you, not with the child, if you want Stamp 4 EUFAM; possibly Ibrahim/Texeira to look at but this isn't my area of knowledge at all.

More details are needed anyways and it won't be straightforward.

We are not yet married and we both have 3 kids for each other. We've been living together since 2017. We are also thinking of doing Civil Partnership before our moving to Ireland.

Bonjour123 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:00 am

Have you any idea how much time it will take to receive the reply of EUTR? As I understand it is a bit faster now a days?

It might be a good while - several months.

Bonjour123 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:00 am

If they decided to give her temporary stamp, will they give the appointment directly or we will have to apply ?

You would have to apply.

ashubby wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 28, 2024 1:45 pm

We are also thinking of doing Civil Partnership before our moving to Ireland.

That will not be accepted in Ireland AFAIK.
https://www.irishimmigration.ie/wp-cont ... -v1123.pdf

A civil partner for the purpose of the qualifying family member definition above refers to same
sex civil partners. Civil partnerships entered into before the commencement of the Marriage Act
2015 may apply using Form EUTR1 while civil partnerships entered into after the commencement
of the Marriage Act 2015 may apply using Form EUTR1A.

I assume you're different sex.