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200K investment

Post by Aaina » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:37 pm

Hi,

I am seeking help on a few queries which I will post separately as per the topic.

Regarding 200 K investment, my dad has a tier 1 entrepreneur visa and will apply for the extension in the next year or so. He joined a business as a director and has transferred 150k(to start with) as a director's loan. In the first year company has had the expense of just 26k.

My key question is - with this rate he might just have an expense of 120-130K in the first three years after which he will apply for extension. So does the investment mean that he has to spend 150K on expenses or investment means that he has transferred money to the business as a director's loan? I doubt he can spend 200K in three years with the expense that is happening.

Please note I understand that he will put 50k more to make it 200k of directors loan.

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Re: 200K investment

Post by Zimba » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:49 pm

There is no requirement that the money needs to be spent before extension. The extension applicants will be scrutinised for genuineness and the business activity though
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Re: 200K investment

Post by Aaina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:40 am

Thanks ever so much Zimba. I guess I was under the wrong impression of spending the entire money then.
My dad isn't withdrawing any salary out, and he has another director(who is not a tier 1enterpreneur) who is also not withdrawing any salary at the moment. But if this other partner does withdraw - will that be deducted from investment value?

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Re: 200K investment

Post by marcnath » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:47 am

Aaina wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:40 am
Thanks ever so much Zimba. I guess I was under the wrong impression of spending the entire money then.
My dad isn't withdrawing any salary out, and he has another director(who is not a tier 1enterpreneur) who is also not withdrawing any salary at the moment. But if this other partner does withdraw - will that be deducted from investment value?

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Re: 200K investment

Post by Aaina » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:49 pm

Thank you so much:)

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Re: 200K investment

Post by CULLINAN » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:43 am

Wanted to share first hand experience:

I invested 200k in my company. Once the money hits your business account from your personal account the investment is done.

Having said that, the money should not be sitting there idle. As Zimba said, you will be scrutinised for genuineness and business activity as you have to pass the genuine entrepreneur test. As long as you have genuine activity, less or more, NOT necessarily you have to spend all the money.

I applied for my extension when I had only spent around 80k, applied for ILR when I had spent around 120k.. rest was still in the business bank account.

Also, I did withdraw minimum director salary through all 5 years and I did NOT top up. My investment was 200k and I took salary from the same amount. As long as the salary is justified e.g. someone withdrawing a salary of 100k a year will raise a red flag otherwise I dont see a problem with a director withdrawing salary.

Director and company are two different entities and the company has to pay for director’s salary to run the business. There seems to be an opinion that director cannot withdraw salary if the company is in loss and can only withdraw from the profit. My company was in loss all 5 years and I withdrew salary all 5 years and did NOT top up the 200k initial investment.

I was granted extension and ILR eventually.
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Re: 200K investment

Post by marcnath » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:48 am

tier11417 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:43 am
Wanted to share first hand experience:

I invested 200k in my company. Once the money hits your business account from your personal account the investment is done.

Having said that, the money should not be sitting there idle. As Zimba said, you will be scrutinised for genuineness and business activity as you have to pass the genuine entrepreneur test. As long as you have genuine activity, less or more, NOT necessarily you have to spend all the money.

I applied for my extension when I had only spent around 80k, applied for ILR when I had spent around 120k.. rest was still in the business bank account.

Also, I did withdraw minimum director salary through all 5 years and I did NOT top up. My investment was 200k and I took salary from the same amount. As long as the salary is justified e.g. someone withdrawing a salary of 100k a year will raise a red flag otherwise I dont see a problem with a director withdrawing salary.

Director and company are two different entities and the company has to pay for director’s salary to run the business. There seems to be an opinion that director cannot withdraw salary if the company is in loss and can only withdraw from the profit. My company was in loss all 5 years and I withdrew salary all 5 years and did NOT top up the 200k initial investment.

I was granted extension and ILR eventually.
If you did not have sales income that would cover your salary, you can consider yourself extremely lucky to have got your extension and ILR.
There is no requirement to take salary from profits but it has to be taken from some other income (such as sales) and not the invested amount. That is very clear in the immigration rules.
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Re: 200K investment

Post by CULLINAN » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:02 pm

marcnath wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:48 am
tier11417 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:43 am
Wanted to share first hand experience:

I invested 200k in my company. Once the money hits your business account from your personal account the investment is done.

Having said that, the money should not be sitting there idle. As Zimba said, you will be scrutinised for genuineness and business activity as you have to pass the genuine entrepreneur test. As long as you have genuine activity, less or more, NOT necessarily you have to spend all the money.

I applied for my extension when I had only spent around 80k, applied for ILR when I had spent around 120k.. rest was still in the business bank account.

Also, I did withdraw minimum director salary through all 5 years and I did NOT top up. My investment was 200k and I took salary from the same amount. As long as the salary is justified e.g. someone withdrawing a salary of 100k a year will raise a red flag otherwise I dont see a problem with a director withdrawing salary.

Director and company are two different entities and the company has to pay for director’s salary to run the business. There seems to be an opinion that director cannot withdraw salary if the company is in loss and can only withdraw from the profit. My company was in loss all 5 years and I withdrew salary all 5 years and did NOT top up the 200k initial investment.

I was granted extension and ILR eventually.
If you did not have sales income that would cover your salary, you can consider yourself extremely lucky to have got your extension and ILR.
There is no requirement to take salary from profits but it has to be taken from some other income (such as sales) and not the invested amount. That is very clear in the immigration rules.
What do you mean by sales income? I know two other people (family friend’s) who invested £200k and their company was in loss but they both withdrew director salary from the same amount. Both were granted extension and ILR also.
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Re: 200K investment

Post by CULLINAN » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:25 pm

Do you mean sales turnover? Or by sales income you mean if a product’s purchase price is £X and sales price is £(X + 100) so the sales income is £100? even though the company is in net loss?
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Re: 200K investment

Post by marcnath » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:10 pm

tier11417 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:25 pm
Do you mean sales turnover? Or by sales income you mean if a product’s purchase price is £X and sales price is £(X + 100) so the sales income is £100? even though the company is in net loss?
Sales turnover - it does not matter if it is profitable or not. Sales is money coming in from someone other than the entrepreneur, so it is no longer the "invested" money.
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Re: 200K investment

Post by CULLINAN » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:12 pm

marcnath wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:10 pm
tier11417 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:25 pm
Do you mean sales turnover? Or by sales income you mean if a product’s purchase price is £X and sales price is £(X + 100) so the sales income is £100? even though the company is in net loss?
Sales turnover - it does not matter if it is profitable or not. Sales is money coming in from someone other than the entrepreneur, so it is no longer the "invested" money.
Yes I had high sales turnover.
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Re: 200K investment

Post by marcnath » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:15 pm

tier11417 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:12 pm
marcnath wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:10 pm
tier11417 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:25 pm
Do you mean sales turnover? Or by sales income you mean if a product’s purchase price is £X and sales price is £(X + 100) so the sales income is £100? even though the company is in net loss?
Sales turnover - it does not matter if it is profitable or not. Sales is money coming in from someone other than the entrepreneur, so it is no longer the "invested" money.
Yes I had high sales turnover.
That explains why you got your approval.
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Re: 200K investment

Post by CULLINAN » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:17 pm

marcnath wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:15 pm
tier11417 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:12 pm
marcnath wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:10 pm
tier11417 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:25 pm
Do you mean sales turnover? Or by sales income you mean if a product’s purchase price is £X and sales price is £(X + 100) so the sales income is £100? even though the company is in net loss?
Sales turnover - it does not matter if it is profitable or not. Sales is money coming in from someone other than the entrepreneur, so it is no longer the "invested" money.
Yes I had high sales turnover.
That explains why you got your approval.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: 200K investment

Post by Aaina » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:45 pm

Thank you so much for sharing your experience. This helps a lot:-)

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Re: 200K investment

Post by Aaina » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:47 pm

I have a few queries on the ILR absence rules and a calculation sheet that marcnath has developed.
Do I start a new topic? Thanks

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Re: 200K investment

Post by Zimba » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:10 pm

Start a topic in the ILR sub forum please
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Re: 200K investment

Post by Aaina » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:29 am

Thanks Zimba, will do now. Regards

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Re: 200K investment

Post by john2030 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:30 pm

I didnt know i can withdraw a salary for myself (Director and owner).. thanks for clarfiying.
do you think 1500£/month will be fine? My business is interior design
this means out of the 200,000, i will be withdrawing 90,000£

If you allow me to ask : is it OK to hire employee 1, in year 2 , and employee 2 in year 3? i dont want to commit in year one of my business to hire employees as i need to understand the market/salaries first.
many thanks in advance !
CULLINAN wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:43 am
Wanted to share first hand experience:

I invested 200k in my company. Once the money hits your business account from your personal account the investment is done.

Having said that, the money should not be sitting there idle. As Zimba said, you will be scrutinised for genuineness and business activity as you have to pass the genuine entrepreneur test. As long as you have genuine activity, less or more, NOT necessarily you have to spend all the money.

I applied for my extension when I had only spent around 80k, applied for ILR when I had spent around 120k.. rest was still in the business bank account.

Also, I did withdraw minimum director salary through all 5 years and I did NOT top up. My investment was 200k and I took salary from the same amount. As long as the salary is justified e.g. someone withdrawing a salary of 100k a year will raise a red flag otherwise I dont see a problem with a director withdrawing salary.

Director and company are two different entities and the company has to pay for director’s salary to run the business. There seems to be an opinion that director cannot withdraw salary if the company is in loss and can only withdraw from the profit. My company was in loss all 5 years and I withdrew salary all 5 years and did NOT top up the 200k initial investment.

I was granted extension and ILR eventually.

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Re: 200K investment

Post by CULLINAN » Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:18 pm

john2030 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:30 pm
I didnt know i can withdraw a salary for myself (Director and owner).. thanks for clarfiying.
do you think 1500£/month will be fine? My business is interior design
this means out of the 200,000, i will be withdrawing 90,000£

If you allow me to ask : is it OK to hire employee 1, in year 2 , and employee 2 in year 3? i dont want to commit in year one of my business to hire employees as i need to understand the market/salaries first.
many thanks in advance !
CULLINAN wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:43 am
Wanted to share first hand experience:

I invested 200k in my company. Once the money hits your business account from your personal account the investment is done.

Having said that, the money should not be sitting there idle. As Zimba said, you will be scrutinised for genuineness and business activity as you have to pass the genuine entrepreneur test. As long as you have genuine activity, less or more, NOT necessarily you have to spend all the money.

I applied for my extension when I had only spent around 80k, applied for ILR when I had spent around 120k.. rest was still in the business bank account.

Also, I did withdraw minimum director salary through all 5 years and I did NOT top up. My investment was 200k and I took salary from the same amount. As long as the salary is justified e.g. someone withdrawing a salary of 100k a year will raise a red flag otherwise I dont see a problem with a director withdrawing salary.

Director and company are two different entities and the company has to pay for director’s salary to run the business. There seems to be an opinion that director cannot withdraw salary if the company is in loss and can only withdraw from the profit. My company was in loss all 5 years and I withdrew salary all 5 years and did NOT top up the 200k initial investment.

I was granted extension and ILR eventually.
£1500 per month is £18000/annum. So as long as you can cover that with your profits or your sales turnover you are okay. You cannot take salary from the initial investment though. Read Marcnath’s comment above.

You have to create two jobs for 12 months each. So you can do first job in 12 months and the second in the following 12 months. Both jobs should have completed 12 months during your initial visa grant to qualify for extension.
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Re: 200K investment

Post by CR001 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:33 am

john2030 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:30 pm
I didnt know i can withdraw a salary for myself (Director and owner).. thanks for clarfiying.
do you think 1500£/month will be fine? My business is interior design
this means out of the 200,000, i will be withdrawing 90,000£

If you allow me to ask : is it OK to hire employee 1, in year 2 , and employee 2 in year 3? i dont want to commit in year one of my business to hire employees as i need to understand the market/salaries first.
many thanks in advance !
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