Applying for Tier 1 Entrepreneur visa extension-Queries

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:44 pm

Dear Senior and Junior members,

Hope you all will be great.
As i am due for Ent. Extension in coming month , so need your kind help with following queries:

Query#1. I am sending application with following documents pls let me know if anything missing!

Tab A
1. Current Appointment Report (cant find on company house website?)
2. Confirmation statement

Tab B
1. HMRC Corporation Tax (not due so not sending)

Tab C
1. Unaudited Financial Accounts and Reports (Last two years)

Tab D
1. Business Bank Statements (only showing all DLA transfer transactions)
2.DLA loan agreement

Tab E
1. Accountant's Letter
2. Employee Hours
3. RTIs (Last 12 Months)
4. Employees Payslips (Last 12 Months)
5. P60's

9. Certificates of Employer's Liability Insurances

Tab F (Employees Files)
1. Employees passports front page

Tab G
1. Website Printouts (Not required but just to satisfy genuine entrepreneur test)

Tab F
1. Original Degree with Transcript
2. Personal Bank Account statement For Maintenance Funds

Query#2:
As new application form for main applicant has been issued in January 2018 but I cant see any changes in Dependent application form which was last updated in April 2017, so old one still valid for dependents ?

and i have seen on page number 5 policy guidance (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... DF_FIN.pdf) that if Applying inside the UK (Initial or Extension
application)should apply online !!! that is very confusing sentence , As i understand we have to apply by filling application forms and sending through post?

Query#3:
My initial visa was granted as solder trader basis , after granting visa i registered my limited company and started doing every transaction from business account of limited company so my question is : did i need to inform home office that i have started doing business through limited company ?

I understand too big post but you can imagine if we apply for extension we need to make sure everything ..
your prompt reply will highly be appreciated ..

Regards

marcnath · Post by **marcnath** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:52 pm

Rockey wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:44 pm

Query#1. I am sending application with following documents pls let me know if anything missing!

Tab A
1. Current Appointment Report (cant find on company house website?) This is mandatory - get from http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/
2. Confirmation statement ==> Not a specified document, so not needed

Tab B
1. HMRC Corporation Tax (not due so not sending) ==> One HMRC Tax document is mandatory. It can be registration document or an earlier tax document.

Tab C
1. Unaudited Financial Accounts and Reports (Last two years) ==> One year is good enough

Tab D
1. Business Bank Statements (only showing all DLA transfer transactions) ==> Ok
2.DLA loan agreement ==> Ok

Tab E
1. Accountant's Letter ==> Not a specified document, so not needed (unless you have joined a business)
2. Employee Hours ==> Ok
3. RTIs (Last 12 Months) ==> Ok
4. Employees Payslips (Last 12 Months) ==> Ok
5. P60's ==> Not a specified document, so not needed

9. Certificates of Employer's Liability Insurances ==> Not a specified document, so not needed

Tab F (Employees Files)
1. Employees passports front page ==> Ok

Tab G
1. Website Printouts (Not required but just to satisfy genuine entrepreneur test)

Tab F
1. Original Degree with Transcript ==> Not a specified document, so not needed
2. Personal Bank Account statement For Maintenance Funds ==> Ok

Query#2:
As new application form for main applicant has been issued in January 2018 but I cant see any changes in Dependent application form which was last updated in April 2017, so old one still valid for dependents ?

and i have seen on page number 5 policy guidance (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... DF_FIN.pdf) that if Applying inside the UK (Initial or Extension
application)should apply online !!! that is very confusing sentence , As i understand we have to apply by filling application forms and sending through post? ==> Yes, by post. Did not notice that earlier. But the application form itself is clear that application is by post or courier

Query#3:
My initial visa was granted as solder trader basis , after granting visa i registered my limited company and started doing every transaction from business account of limited company so my question is : did i need to inform home office that i have started doing business through limited company ? ==> Does not matter

kaps84 · Post by **kaps84** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:46 pm

rest is already and perfectly answered by marcnath.

Rockey wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:44 pm
Query#2:
As new application form for main applicant has been issued in January 2018 but I cant see any changes in Dependent application form which was last updated in April 2017, so old one still valid for dependents ?
-- You have to use the latest available application form which is April 2017.

and i have seen on page number 5 policy guidance (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... DF_FIN.pdf) that if Applying inside the UK (Initial or Extension
application)should apply online !!! that is very confusing sentence , As i understand we have to apply by filling application forms and sending through post?
-- Nice catch. It has always been like this (just checked the previous copy of the guidance). However, there is no online option. (just tried).

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:53 pm

kaps84 wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:46 pm
rest is already and perfectly answered by marcnath.

Rockey wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:44 pm
Query#2:
As new application form for main applicant has been issued in January 2018 but I cant see any changes in Dependent application form which was last updated in April 2017, so old one still valid for dependents ?
-- You have to use the latest available application form which is April 2017.

and i have seen on page number 5 policy guidance (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... DF_FIN.pdf) that if Applying inside the UK (Initial or Extension
application)should apply online !!! that is very confusing sentence , As i understand we have to apply by filling application forms and sending through post?
-- Nice catch. It has always been like this (just checked the previous copy of the guidance). However, there is no online option. (just tried).

Thanks kaps

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:03 pm

marcnath wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:52 pm

Rockey wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:44 pm

Query#1. I am sending application with following documents pls let me know if anything missing!

Tab A
1. Current Appointment Report (cant find on company house website?) This is mandatory - get from http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/
2. Confirmation statement ==> Not a specified document, so not needed

Tab B
1. HMRC Corporation Tax (not due so not sending) ==> One HMRC Tax document is mandatory. It can be registration document or an earlier tax document.

Tab C
1. Unaudited Financial Accounts and Reports (Last two years) ==> One year is good enough

Tab D
1. Business Bank Statements (only showing all DLA transfer transactions) ==> Ok
2.DLA loan agreement ==> Ok

Tab E
1. Accountant's Letter ==> Not a specified document, so not needed (unless you have joined a business)
2. Employee Hours ==> Ok
3. RTIs (Last 12 Months) ==> Ok
4. Employees Payslips (Last 12 Months) ==> Ok
5. P60's ==> Not a specified document, so not needed

9. Certificates of Employer's Liability Insurances ==> Not a specified document, so not needed

Tab F (Employees Files)
1. Employees passports front page ==> Ok

Tab G
1. Website Printouts (Not required but just to satisfy genuine entrepreneur test)

Tab F
1. Original Degree with Transcript ==> Not a specified document, so not needed
2. Personal Bank Account statement For Maintenance Funds ==> Ok

Query#2:
As new application form for main applicant has been issued in January 2018 but I cant see any changes in Dependent application form which was last updated in April 2017, so old one still valid for dependents ?

and i have seen on page number 5 policy guidance (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... DF_FIN.pdf) that if Applying inside the UK (Initial or Extension
application)should apply online !!! that is very confusing sentence , As i understand we have to apply by filling application forms and sending through post? ==> Yes, by post. Did not notice that earlier. But the application form itself is clear that application is by post or courier

Query#3:
My initial visa was granted as solder trader basis , after granting visa i registered my limited company and started doing every transaction from business account of limited company so my question is : did i need to inform home office that i have started doing business through limited company ? ==> Does not matter

Thanks marcnath for prompt reply. As usual you have been always genious ..

I tried and login to you given website but cant find any option to download or order CAR ?!!!

Given below are options i clicked every button but cant find?
Login | My Account | My Download | My Monitor | My Order

i have not paid any corporation tax so exactly what do i need to send them ? you mean first welcome letter sent by company house!

is there any difference between RTI and FPS , i assume both are the same ?

Regards

kaps84 · Post by **kaps84** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:32 pm

Thanks marcnath for prompt reply. As usual you have been always genious ..

I tried and login to you given website but cant find any option to download or order CAR ?!!!

Given below are options i clicked every button but cant find?
Login | My Account | My Download | My Monitor | My Order
-- on that link, you have to search your company. Click on the company number or company name. on the next page, right hand side, you will see something like 'order information on this company'. Click it and select 'Current appointment report' which is free.

i have not paid any corporation tax so exactly what do i need to send them ? you mean first welcome letter sent by company house!
- Can I ask why you haven't paid Corporation tax? (why was your company exempt?), Did you ever receive any letter from HMRC saying 'Corporation Tax' on the top right? - Generally, when you register a company you receive corporation tax letter (CT41G) as well following your registration document. If you are registered for corporation tax (which is by default), HMRC sends you reminder saying your corporation tax is due by so and so date.

is there any difference between RTI and FPS , i assume both are the same ?
- RTI / FPS are terms used interchangeably. But please beware that this document should show taxes (NI / IT) for each employee that you have paid to HMRC. I have seen a few people on the forum, who consider FPS submission report to be the RTI/FPS document. This is because the FPS submission report also states the same title 'Full Payment Submission', which does not give any detail about employees or taxes paid to HMRC.
RTI/FPS May or may not show employee start date. If not, you have to establish employee start date by providing additional document like P11.

Regards

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:33 pm

Thanks Kaps for quick reply..

Great..i can find CAR now.

First two year my business was not in profit so no CT was outstanding..Yes i have received CT letter that i will send to HO i think.

FPS RTI i have complete list employee information on it including Start and leaving date so i think i dont need P11.
I will continue this thread if I need to ask more queries ..

marcnath · Post by **marcnath** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:17 pm

Rockey wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:33 pm
Thanks Kaps for quick reply..

Great..i can find CAR now.

First two year my business was not in profit so no CT was outstanding..Yes i have received CT letter that i will send to HO i think.

FPS RTI i have complete list employee information on it including Start and leaving date so i think i dont need P11.
I will continue this thread if I need to ask more queries ..

Even if you were not in profit, you should have filed your CT. Yes, that CT letter should do anyway.

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:39 pm

Thanks Marcnath.

Could you please help in writing cover letter, I have no idea what and how to write., it will be greatly obliged if you or any one send me sample cover letter!

Regards

marcnath · Post by **marcnath** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:14 pm

Rockey wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:39 pm
Thanks Marcnath.

Could you please help in writing cover letter, I have no idea what and how to write., it will be greatly obliged if you or any one send me sample cover letter!

Regards

You will find my application pinned at the top of this forum as an example application

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:35 pm

Thankyou so much sir..you are really great , kind and humble.....

I have checked that sample letter, one thing I don't not understand that what is on other pages what should I explain , like page 2,3 4 etc main applicant , dependent ! you mean shall printout attach passport like wise?

marcnath · Post by **marcnath** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:47 pm

Rockey wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:35 pm
Thankyou so much sir..you are really great , kind and humble.....

I have checked that sample letter, one thing I don't not understand that what is on other pages what should I explain , like page 2,3 4 etc main applicant , dependent ! you mean shall printout attach passport like wise?

I just organised all my documents against each attribute. I had used plastic sleeves such as this one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-X-A4-Cle ... 1593039855 to organise the documents. And those pages were the ones the top sheet for each of those sets.
So, one of them had the passports and BRPs and had this sheet on top so the CW knew what was in each of those folders.

kaps84 · Post by **kaps84** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:02 pm

@marcnath, Do you mean your cover letter was just one page? No extra pages with table format? and rest of the sheet acted like section separators only?

@Rockey, when are you applying?

marcnath · Post by **marcnath** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:38 pm

kaps84 wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:02 pm
@marcnath, Do you mean your cover letter was just one page? No extra pages with table format? and rest of the sheet acted like section separators only?

@Rockey, when are you applying?

Correct, cover letter was only one page. All the rest are separators.

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:35 pm

Dear senior Forum members ,

I got some queries regarding main application form, it will be if anyone can help in this regard:

1. what is the best way to pay home office ? As i understand easiest way is to pay by debit card but in case payment is declined by bank then it could be problem so i dont want to take risk , is there any risk free option?

2. Main applicant Section M. Engaged in business activity at the time of the application for further leave extension (15 points) you must demonstrate that you or ur business has remained registered three months before u make ur extension application?
What documents do i need to send for above and how to demonstrate , what does it mean should be registered within 3 months?

3. Section 4 English language: Can i Mark ' evidence previously submitted' to claim english language points? , as i did master in uk and submitted my degree for first entrepreneur visa! Do i need to send degree again?

4. My business name is too long so cant fit on wage slips and on RTI so my accuntant has used acronym like TDSP Ltd however full name is Tan development Service Property (UK) Limited (the company name is an example) . So can Home Office create problem by using short name?

Thanks in Advance and your cooperation will be obliged.

marcnath · Post by **marcnath** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:18 pm

Rockey wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:35 pm
Dear senior Forum members ,

I got some queries regarding main application form, it will be if anyone can help in this regard:

1. what is the best way to pay home office ? As i understand easiest way is to pay by debit card but in case payment is declined by bank then it could be problem so i dont want to take risk , is there any risk free option?

2. Main applicant Section M. Engaged in business activity at the time of the application for further leave extension (15 points) you must demonstrate that you or ur business has remained registered three months before u make ur extension application?
What documents do i need to send for above and how to demonstrate , what does it mean should be registered within 3 months?

3. Section 4 English language: Can i Mark ' evidence previously submitted' to claim english language points? , as i did master in uk and submitted my degree for first entrepreneur visa! Do i need to send degree again?

4. My business name is too long so cant fit on wage slips and on RTI so my accuntant has used acronym like TDSP Ltd however full name is Tan development Service Property (UK) Limited (the company name is an example) . So can Home Office create problem by using short name?

Thanks in Advance and your cooperation will be obliged.

1. The most risk free would be bankers/cashier draft.
2. Check the Section Business Activity in the guidance. Essentially CAR plus tax document plus bank statement. CAR has to be within 3 months of application dates
3. Yes. No need to send cert again
4. No

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:44 am

Bundle of thanks mate for help..

I got very important query which may affect job creation matter, to b honest worried what actually wording should i explain in cover letter regarding job creation dates etc..

Employee A. Job started on 01 March 2016 and Ended on 01 March 2017
Employee B. Job started on 01 April 2016 and Ended on 01 May 2017

I applied August 2014
Application granted April 2015

So My query is: under what Entrepreneur policy guidance my job creation comes under? Do I come after Post April 2014 or something else, because my main concern is : do I full fill requirement of job creation , some one said I should have two consecutive job from same one month !!! so I am really worried!

I have given an example of job creation wordings for cover letter , pls let me know if it is ok or do I need to change year or paragraph becz I am not sure to be honest..

Job creation (20 points)

As per Paragraph 49 of the Appendix A Immigration Rules

“A full-time job is one involving at least 30 hours of work a week. Two or more-part time jobs that add up to 30 hours a week will count as one full time job…. However, one full time job of more than 30 hours works a week will not count as more than one full time job….”

As per Paragraph 169 of the Tier 1 Entrepreneur policy guidance:

“Post-6 April 2014

“If you successfully applied for entry clearance or switched into the route from 6 April 2014, the employment must:”

• be for at least 2 separate jobs;
• exist for at least a full 12 months each.

As I was granted Entry Clearance as a Tier 1 (Entrepreneur) migrant after 6 April 2014, so I should demonstrate that at least two full time jobs have been created throughout his current leave to remain in the UK.

kaps84 · Post by **kaps84** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:49 pm

As far as my knowledge goes, the employment you have created is sufficient irrespective of whether you are pre or post April 2014, as long as those two employees did two separate 'full-time' jobs.

What do you mean by "some one said I should have two consecutive job from same one month !!! " ? - Does that someone mean job overlapping for 1 month? If so, ask that 'some one' where is that written?

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:06 pm

Thanks Kaps!

Two jobs are seperate so not overlaping, just Employee A started In March and Employee B started in month of April so one month later of Employee A...Two jobs consecutive for 12 months means the Two jobs should have started in same month if i want to claim points that what i understood from someone..

To be honest i got doubt i have seen such sentence but i still want to know from senior members like Marcnath , Zamba and others so that i can write down on cover letter that underwhich year of Policy Guidance I fall?

marcnath · Post by **marcnath** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:30 pm

Rockey wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:06 pm
Thanks Kaps!

Two jobs are seperate so not overlaping, just Employee A started In March and Employee B started in month of April so one month later of Employee A...Two jobs consecutive for 12 months means the Two jobs should have started in same month if i want to claim points that what i understood from someone..

To be honest i got doubt i have seen such sentence but i still want to know from senior members like Marcnath , Zamba and others so that i can write down on cover letter that underwhich year of Policy Guidance I fall?

There is no such requirement as "Two jobs consecutive for 12 months" and even if it were consecutive does not mean "at the same time".

You have clearly met the requirement, there is no need for any reference to this in a cover letter. You are clearly post April 2014 so there is nothing really needed to explain

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:06 pm

Thankyou so much Marcnath I am really grateful to you , you have helped a lot..

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:29 pm

Marcnath or any seniors one more thing I need to ask if you don't mind.

My year end accounts are made up till September 2017 and my regestered office was place' A' that time but i did not file my account to HMRC online!

I moved my office after that in October to Place 'B', when my accontant filed Accounts in November, he/she put old addresss i.e Place A on accounts which is showing online but you know my address changed after that so shouold he put my new address on accounts YE September 2017?

Can it create problem? , i dont unerstand what to do now!!

marcnath · Post by **marcnath** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:40 pm

Rockey wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:29 pm
Marcnath or any seniors one more thing I need to ask if you don't mind.

My year end accounts are made up till September 2017 and my regestered office was place' A' that time but i did not file my account to HMRC online!

I moved my office after that in October to Place 'B', when my accontant filed Accounts in November, he/she put old addresss i.e Place A on accounts which is showing online but you know my address changed after that so shouold he put my new address on accounts YE September 2017?

Can it create problem? , i dont unerstand what to do now!!

This is not going to matter

Rockey · Post by **Rockey** » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:04 pm

Thanks Marcnath, I don't know how to say thankyou for your help!

I have just gone through Table D: Extension applications points table page 31 Tier 1 Ent Policy Guidance January 2018!

I m really unable to understand scoring table and I cant see any points for maintenance and English!

Table D: Extension applications points table

Row Investment, business activity and job creation Points
1 You have invested, or have caused investment to be made by one or more third parties, at least £200,000 (or £50,000 if you were awarded points for £50,000 funding or investment in your last grant of leave) in cash directly into one or more UK businesses.
You do not need to provide evidence of this investment if you were awarded points under this table in your last grant of entry clearance or leave to remain as a Tier 1 (Entrepreneur) migrant. (20)

2 You have:
(a) registered with HM Revenue & Customs as self-employed
or
(b) registered with Companies House as a director of a UK company, or member of a UK partnership.
You must have registered within six months of entering the UK with this entry clearance (if you provide evidence to establish your date of entry) or, in any other case, within six months of the date your leave was granted. (20)

3 Within the three months before the date of application, you have been:
(a) registered with HM Revenue & Customs as self-employed,
or
(b) registered with Companies House as a director of a UK company or member of a UK partnership. (15)

4 You have:
(a) established a new business or businesses that has or have created the equivalent of at least 2 new full time jobs for settled workers,
or (20)

My query is regarding Row number 2 and 3:
What does it means that you must have regestered within six month of the date your leave was granted?

( As i was selfemployed in before 10th July Of 2014 when Home office changed rule that yu must have been regestered with before 10 July of 2014 ! I regestered my comapny in August 2014)

And What does it mean that Within the three months before the date of application , you have been regestered with company house?

As my visa extentions are days comming closer i am getting confused to be honest!!!!

marcnath · Post by **marcnath** » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:10 am

Rockey wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:04 pm
My query is regarding Row number 2 and 3:
What does it means that you must have regestered within six month of the date your leave was granted?

( As i was selfemployed in before 10th July Of 2014 when Home office changed rule that yu must have been regestered with before 10 July of 2014 ! I regestered my comapny in August 2014)

I don't understand your question.
But if you registered the company in Aug 2014 and you were granted visa April 2015, then it definitely meets the criteria of you being registered within six months. In fact, you were registered on the day of the grant.

Rockey wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:04 pm

And What does it mean that Within the three months before the date of application , you have been regestered with company house?

It means you should still be a Director at the time of application of your renewal, which you obviously are. So you meet that too.

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