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Changes Very soon in Tier 1

Post by jugnu » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:18 am

The new points based system will be used to "raise the bar" for highly skilled migrants curb the numbers coming in.
Employers will also be forced to advertise vacancies in the Jobcentre Plus network before filling them with migrant labour under a series of measures to be announced.
The crackdown means the Government is aiming to cut the number of migrant workers by even more than the 12 per cent a year it estimated would happen when the new points system was brought in.
The Home Secretary has been forced to act after the growing row over the impact foreign workers have had on the UK.
It has left Prime Minister Gordon Brown's pledge of "British jobs for British workers" looking increasingly questionable.
The Home Office announced earlier this month it planned to bring forward new measures "in the coming weeks" to address the issue of foreign workers.
A spokesman said at the time: "We have brought in the Australian style points based system to control the numbers coming to Britain - and we will be bringing forward proposals in the coming weeks about how we will be using this to react to the current economic conditions."
Ms Smith is expected to make a series of announcements this weekend ahead of yet more damaging immigration and population figures due to be published on Tuesday.
One target will be to use the points system to reduce the number of work permits handed to workers from outside the EU.
The Daily Telegraph told last month how the number of permits hit a record high of more than 151,000 last year.
A Whitehall source said the system will be used to "raise the bar" for migrant workers wanting to come to the UK.
The controversy intensified this week when figures showed the foreign workers' share of the jobs market has almost doubled under Labour, with 3.8 million now employed in Britain.
Workers not born in Britain account for one in seven jobs after more than 1.8 million foreigners were added to the labour force over the past decade.
Two thirds of those have come from outside the EU, casting doubt on government claims that a cap on immigration will be ineffective because most of the workers come from within Europe, taking advantage of free movement laws.
As the recession has bitten and unemployment grown in the UK, frustration has boiled over in relation to the level of foreign labour starting with wildcat strikes at the Lindsey oil refinery last month and spreading to a series of sites around the country.
Ms Smith is also expected to announce that rules on employing immigrants are to be tightened in an attempt to force companies to hire unemployed Britons ahead of skilled foreign workers.
She will say British people who were out of a job should get "first crack of the whip'' at tens of thousands of skilled posts that go to foreigners every year.

In particular, companies are to be told that they must advertise vacancies in the Jobcentre Plus network before filling them with skilled migrants.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs ... e-cut.html

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Post by tapindersingh » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:32 am

This is scary and at the same time employment is set to cross 3 million this year....

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Post by tech » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:55 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rkers.html

It looks like it is going to affect tier2 of pbs

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Post by UKbound » Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:18 am

This will affect Tier 1, as well.. At least based upon my interpretation of the Times article..

"Ms Smith’s plans involve tightening the criteria of the highly skilled migrant programme under which points are awarded to a migrant based on their educational qualifications, age and salary level. "

By HSMP, I'm assuming they really mean Tier 1.. since they talk about is before this comment.. It sounds like they will raise the minimum number of points needed..

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Post by drjabberwocky23 » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:42 am

It will affect those seeking entry to the UK, but it remains to be seen whether the plans will affect those already here.

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Post by tvn_ramesh » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:17 pm

LONDON: Amidst rising unemployment, Britain is putting in place new immigration restrictions on professionals from India and other non-EU
countries so that existing jobs are first offered to local workers.

From April, the basic requirements to enter Britain under the Tier 1 category of the points-based immigration system will be raised. Over 25,000 people, incluidng many from India, entered Britain under Tier 1 last year.

The qualification and minimum salary levels for Indian and non-EU professionals will be raised to masters degree and 20,000 pounds from the current requirement of undergraduate degree and 17,000 pounds.

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Post by jugnu » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:22 pm

It is official now:

http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/siteco ... oughertest

22 February 2009
Measures to raise the bar for foreign workers wishing to enter the United Kingdom, and to give domestic workers a greater chance of applying first for United Kingdom jobs, were unveiled by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith today.
Jacqui Smith pledged to use the flexibility built into the points-based system (PBS) to respond to changing economic circumstances - helping British workers through the hard times of the recession.
The Government has already suspended tier 3 of the PBS to ensure no foreign national from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) can come to the United Kingdom and work in a low-skilled job.
Jacqui Smith announced three significant changes to support British workers and to be more selective about the migrants coming to the United Kingdom from outside the EEA. From 1 April the Government will:
strengthen the resident labour market test for tier 2 skilled jobs so that employers must advertise jobs to resident workers through JobCentre Plus before they can bring in a worker from outside Europe;
use each shortage occupation list to trigger skills reviews that focus on up-skilling resident workers for these occupations, which will make the United Kingdom less dependent on migration for the future; and
tighten new criteria against which highly skilled migrants seeking entry to the United Kingdom are judged, by raising the qualifications and salary required for tier 1 of the PBS to a Master's degree and a minimum salary of £20,000.
The Home Secretary has also asked the independent Migration Advisory Committee (MAC), chaired by Professor David Metcalf, to report on:
whether there is an economic case for restricting tier 2 (skilled workers) to shortage occupations only;
his assessment of the economic contribution made by the dependants of PBS migrants and their role in the labour market; and
what further changes there should be to the criteria for tier 1 in 2010/11, given the changing economic circumstances.
Jacqui Smith said:
"All workers now coming to the UK from outside Europe have to meet the requirements of the Australian-style points system, which allows us to raise or lower the bar on who can come here.
"We have always said it is important to be selective about who comes here to work, and we have already put a stop to low-skilled labour entering the UK from outside Europe.
"Just as in a growth period we needed migrants to support growth, it is right in a downturn to be more selective about the skill levels of those migrants, and to do more to put British workers first.
"These measures are not about narrow protectionism - a flexible immigration system, rather than an arbitrary cap, is better for British business and the British economy. We recognise that migration continues to play an important role in the UK, at the same time as we are giving greater support to domestic workers so that we can all come through the recession stronger.

"Given the economic circumstances and the action we are taking to be more selective, I expect the number of migrants coming to the UK from outside the EEA to fall during the next financial year. Today I am also asking the independent Migration Advisory Committee, led by David Metcalf, to consider further changes to the way in which foreign workers are currently able to enter the UK to work.
"By being more selective, as well as through tough enforcement measures to tackle illegal immigration, I have tasked the UK Border Agency with delivering this reduction. I have also set out 10 further immigration milestones for the UK Border Agency to meet this year."
The 10 milestones in the UK Border Agency delivery plan are:
March - open a new immigration removal centre to help remove immigration offenders;
April - use our points system to ensure migration matches the country's needs in hard times;
April - start charging migrants to create a multimillion pound fund to reduce the impacts of migration on local services;
April - introduce new technology to help detect drugs and other illegal goods;
May - be tougher on European criminals, removing European nationals who cause harm to our communities;
July - start tough new visa controls, which will cover five countries;
August - have completed delivery of new facial recognition technology in 10 terminals, giving British passengers a faster, secure route through the border;
November - issue 75,000 compulsory identity cards to foreign nationals;
December - hit target to screen 120 million passengers entering and leaving the UK against security watch-lists, and introduce a new high-tech security centre; and
December - deport a record number of foreign prisoners.
These 10 pledges will build on the work already undertaken by the UK Border Agency to strengthen the country's immigration controls.
These measures build on existing actions to deliver border security that protects Britain, including:
fingerprint visas that lock people to one identity - with 3.5 million sets of fingerprints taken since their rollout, identifying 5,200 case of identity swaps;
a high-tech electronic borders system which checks people against watch-lists and will cover even more passenger journeys by the end of this year;
customs checks which, since April 2008, saw technology at ports contribute to the seizure of over £260 million worth of illegal drugs; and
ID cards for foreign nationals. By November this year 75,000 ID cards will have been issued to foreign nationals, locking them to one identity.
For passengers legitimately travelling through United Kingdom ports, new facial recognition technology is being introduced which balances high security with quicker times at immigration control.
For illegal immigrants not playing by the rules, the UK Border Agency will open, in just a few weeks' time, a new immigration removal centre with capacity to hold more than 420 people near Gatwick in south-east England, helping deliver the Government's pledge to remove even more foreign national prisoners this year than ever before. In 2008 more than 5,000 foreign national prisoners were removed from the United Kingdom.
The Government also pledged to come down harder on criminals from Europe by reducing the threshold for consideration of their cases for deportation from 24 months in jail to just 12 when they have committed drugs, violent or sexual offences, putting them in line with non-EEA nationals.

Plans will also be introduced to target and deport low-level persistent foreign offenders who cause harm in the communities but who have not been given a prison sentence - for example, those on community service but who over a period have continued to re-offend.
NOTES
1. In March 2006 the Government published a Command Paper setting out the new PBS, 'A points-based system: Making Migration work for Britain'. The new system consolidates the many complex routes into just five tiers.
2. Tier 1, for highly skilled migrants, was introduced in February last year, and tier 2 (for skilled migrants) and tier 5 (for temporary workers and youth mobility) in November 2008. The student tier of the system - Tier 4 - will be launched at the end of March.
3. Tier 3, which covers low-skilled routes, is suspended and will only be used if specific shortages are identified that cannot be filled from the UK's domestic or European labour force.
4. The Government announced current plans for its immigration removal estate on 19 May 2008.
5. The Migration Impact Fund was first announced as part of the publication of the Government's Green Paper A path to citizenship in February 2008. It said that migrants should contribute "to a new fund for managing the transitional impacts of migration, providing extra financial help to communities experiencing change from migration".
6. In February 2009 the Government announced it would be introducing new visa requirements on visiting nationals from five new countries travelling to the UK. These new visa checks will all be introduced by mid 2009.
7. The first facial recognition gates were introduced at a British airport in August 2008 in Manchester.
8. The statistics on removal/deportation of foreign national prisoners are based on provisional management information collected by the UK Border Agency. They may be subject to revision and are not part of National Statistics. National Statistics on total removals and voluntary departures in 2008 will be released on 24 February 2009.
9. A year since the UK Border Agency began issuing fines to employers for hiring illegal workers, it is launching a second advertising campaign to promote the tough message that employers face a fine of up to £10,000 per illegal worker they employ. The campaign adverts will run in the national press from 27 February and on radio and are available to press on request. Since the Civil Penalty regime was introduced on 29 February 2008, the UK Border Agency has issued over 1,000 fines to employers who hire illegal workers, worth over £10 million.

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Does this apply to who are applying for Extension?

Post by bonvivz » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:39 pm

Hi,

I am due to apply in June, does these rules apply for the applications who are applying for extension? can anyone pour their thoughts?

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It's official on BIA News

Post by suresh-hsmp » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:02 pm


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not clear!

Post by bonvivz » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:16 pm

Thanks suresh,

but it doesnt clearly states if these rules are applicable to the applications who are applying for extension? I have B-Tech degree ..
am i missing something between the lines..?

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Post by webhunter » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:21 pm

Well, unless you are covered by HSMP JR, all extensions to Tier 1 have to meet the points system at the time of extension. So, unfortunately if these rules come into effect in April and you apply in June, then you have to meet this criteria.

Well, the complet details of these rules still need to clarified. For exmaple, When they say minimum salary of 20000 do they mean for overseas applicants or for UK applicants as well (other visas, extensions etc). Because based on the earlier rules if it is X amount for some countries, it had to be a lot more than X if the income was earned in UK.

Hope that answers.

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Re: Does this apply to who are applying for Extension?

Post by confusedhsmp » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:23 pm

bonvivz wrote:Hi,

I am due to apply in June, does these rules apply for the applications who are applying for extension? can anyone pour their thoughts?

Regards
Well I hope not. I am due to extend in August as well and this absolutely unfair.

I just hold bachelors degree and the new rules would require master!

If any of this thing happens to people who are already on HSMP then HO should await new judicial action against them. Mainly because before the launch of Tier 1 in 2008 and after the close of HSMP program in 2006 all applicants in the middle period were required to sign a declaration confirming that they will be making UK their main home country. These new restropective changes would drastically affect our applications!

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BBC PLAYER

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Post by push » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:45 pm

Well things look bad. US has already come down heavily on H1B VISA holders (which is a lot different from Tier-1) and UK now seems to be following its footsteps.

What we hear in the news is coming out of political compulsion but the Govt. may actually cave in and at worst - may raise the qualifying points, Education Level Criteria, restrict work eligibility to the main applicant only....
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Post by webhunter » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:17 pm

Well, I just hope all these changes wont be applied retrospectively.
But at least it is a known fact that Tier 1 extensions have to qualify for the rules at the time of extension. So there might be no escape here. However, regarding preventing dependents coming to UK, or preventing dependents from working in UK, we need to see the complete details before judging when and how these will be applied.

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Post by jd » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:19 pm

I'm not sure what will happen if they raise qualification level to masters. It'll affect lot of people including me.

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Post by pyke » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:21 pm

I wonder what effect all this is having on the employers and recruiters. Are they also shifting towards a deliberate or subconscious preference for British workers over skilled migrants to fill posts, i.e. British jobs for British workers? There are obviously anti-discriminatory laws, equal employment opportunity policies and all that in place, but with all this being debated in the media, could there be some subtle bias creeping in?

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Post by MrBaboo » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:27 pm

confusedhsmp wrote:watch her here talking about it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... 2_02_2009/
The relevant part is about 45 minutes in.

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Post by webhunter » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:34 pm

well, from these announcements, the last thing I want to worry is about whether an agency or company will be baised. I think as always all they look for is whether you have the right to work in UK, and ofcourse they may ask you to show the relevant evidence etc.,

But the more important concern should be I guess, how these will affect extensions or switching from WorkPermit to Tier 1 or even the crazier aspects of dependents not being able to work in UK.

I think just applying one rule (dependents should'nt work) is enough to kick most of us out. As it is very difficult to to meet the needs with just one person working and to support the whole family. And all this coming in the current market would mean, if the main visa holder is unable to find work, there will be no backup, but to leave the country in a month or two.

Lets wait and see, what exactly gets implemented and what wont .

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Post by Markie » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:37 pm

another political gimickry to save face...crunch time my friends.
webhunter wrote:well, from these announcements, the last thing I want to worry is about whether an agency or company will be baised. I think as always all they look for is whether you have the right to work in UK, and ofcourse they may ask you to show the relevant evidence etc.,

But the more important concern should be I guess, how these will affect extensions or switching from WorkPermit to Tier 1 or even the crazier aspects of dependents not being able to work in UK.

I think just applying one rule (dependents should'nt work) is enough to kick most of us out. As it is very difficult to to meet the needs with just one person working and to support the whole family. And all this coming in the current market would mean, if the main visa holder is unable to find work, there will be no backup, but to leave the country in a month or two.

Lets wait and see, what exactly gets implemented and what wont .

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Post by MrBaboo » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:50 pm

webhunter wrote:... or even the crazier aspects of dependents not being able to work in UK.
Indeed, this would be a painful way to discourage applicants.

Thinking of my own situation (WP/HSMP/Tier 1 migrant 1yr off ILR with a dependent currently working here), I wonder if this can be easily implemented for already resident dependents or is this something that can only really be implemented for new migrants through, say, more harsh visa endorsements ("Not authorised to work", etc.) Any senior members care to comment?

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Post by webhunter » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:57 pm

MrBaboo,

At this time with out knowing all the details, one can only comment. But atleast there is some good news in the bad news. Having heard Jacqui smith's interview, it was clear that raising of the bar (new rules) are coming into affect from April.

However, regarding dependents not being able to come and work in the UK, is still in consultation stage and action will be taken based on the outcome. So what ever the outcome regarding dependents might take affect a little later.

And like all previous rules, eve this time, they are not clear whether part or full of the proposed changes are only for new immigrats or existing immirgrants as well?

What I can see is, they may not apply the "dependent not working" part to existing applicants because, several people in UK have taken a joint mortgage and if one of them is made to not work , then most of them will have to lose their home. Also, there are cases of dependents who are doctors/dentists who have spent months/years to get qualified in UK, and now not allowing them to work would mean they have wasted time and money in the past. and I can go on numerous examples like this.

Either way, home office has done crazy things in the past ( HSMP JR for example) and they are likely to do it again.

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Please advice me

Post by confusedhsmp » Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:22 pm

Please advice...

Would this rules apply to current HSMP holders?

I am HSMP migrant and currently working full-time and studying part-time for my Master. I am due to complete all my modules this April. But I wont be getting my degree until next year as the desertion would still be due.

Is is advisable that I fast track my degree and complete my desertion before May 2009 and get hold of my degree in July so that I can be safe at time of extension in August 2009. I do not particularly want to do this as I wont be writing the dissertation with proper research and interest.

PLEASE ADVICE!!

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