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Initial Application Process– Salaries Person outside UK

Post by t1s2010 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:39 pm

I am putting story based on multiple readings, assumptions and what worked in my case diligently.
Thus, actual purpose of this write-up is to ‘try covering smaller details’/’finer points’ based on my understanding.

Along comes my cover letter which will tell you exactly what documents I submitted.

On Oct 05, I went to VFS to collect my application. One person was there to inquire VFS about dependent maintenance fund. As we were waiting and had time to kill, we chattered. I was answering his questions like a specialist. Indeed, I should be thankful to this forum.
So this is payback time for me.


1) Story of VFS, Pune:
VFS Pune was not very crowded and I believe on most of days, it should not. Though, I got additional set of photocopies, VFS person didn’t take them and told ‘originals are fine’.
I had asked for appointment by emailing to VFS. Details are on VFS site for appointment. My appointment was 11 AM morning, but VFS people were slow and didn’t call me till 12.15 noon.
I kept waiting because sign over VFS person shoulder was saying ‘This area is under CCTV surveillance. We are watching.’ Who knows if they do ‘psychological profiling too using this camera. :twisted: just kidding.
When watch told ’12:15’, my patience was over. I went to person at help desk and asked – Why is it so late, are you even checking your appointment calendar? Politely but loudly.
He immediately asked for my documents and process started. Oops!!! Why didn’t I ask him earlier?

VFS person didn’t take my cover letter. He told ‘twice’ that cover letter is not necessary because they have also put a checklist stating documents. BUT I insisted and put the cover letter with it. I had got A4 size printout for each section, I put them in between of documents thus ‘marking the sections’.
Take care:
• Visa photograph is available inside VFS. If they find any problem with your photo, no worries
• UK photo guidance are available on VFS site. 45mmX35mm. No white boundaries. No photo editing. Simple brightness setting is not a problem.
• Photocopy 1/- per page is available inside.
• VFS has premium service for outside city applicants. i.e. VFS will send by courier once they receive application. I didn’t ask for charges as I was in Pune.
• I opted for SMS alert facility for 100 INR. Though, I found online application tracking link more effective. I didn’t get SMS about ‘ready for collect’ status. I checked online and went to VFS. SMS arrived after collection :) . It may be because of bulk SMS banned due to Ayodhya verdict. Whatever reason might be, I found online tracking effective. Advantage of being in IT industry? Huh.

2) Story of my fee payment:
I preferred to take a demand draft to VFS, Pune. Carry cash has always been uncomfortable for me. I find it unsafe, risky and a bundle of paper. Thus, I preferred going to ICICI bank, wrote a cheque to myself and got demand draft.
If you prefer to pay cash, 200 INR will be charged by VFS cash counter.

Funny and irritating part of story is – I had to go back to VFS and then bank at 3.30 PM when VFS called and told draft is not legal because bank forgot to sign the draft. Arrgh
In morning, when I went for submitting my application, security guards checked my demand draft, then cash counter personnel verified my passport and demand draft. What did they check then?
Take care:
• Draft is good. I didn’t know how draft should look like and missed signatures.
• Draft saves your time at VFS and they are easy to carry
• Draft charges are lower (172 INR) than 200 INR which VFS will charge.

3) Story of my ICICI bank statements:
Two weeks before my application date, I visited ICICI bank branch (relatively smaller branch) closer to my place. RM told me bank statements on letter head are not possible. They can give a dot-matrix printer signed and stamped. Much cajoling, no results.

I decided to go to my base branch - Shivaji Nagar. Lots of people in this forum have mentioned to go to bigger branches. I did same.
Mantra was - Be firm, be polite and be persuasive. Rightly so, I decided not to waste my time. I directly entered branch manager’s cabin. With complete suaveness and professionalism <devil>, I explained my cause and my expectation from bank. He readily agreed. He called one middle level staff and told me to provide me 12 month bank statement on official stationary.

Here, I talked and befriended this mid-level manager. After all, I needed his direct extension to provide to UKBA. Also so, because once we talked about finance (my domain), my business analyst profile and how much fun it is, he was more than happy to help me.
At this point, I also asked two additional letters from him on bank letterhead. One letter stating 3 months min-balance; and other letter stating that ‘bank statement is genuine and total 7 pages’.
Take care:
• It is official stationary. Official stationary simply cuts all garbage of electronic, stamp, signed etc. Bank logo and name is on every page.
• If bank giving you official stationary, then why not to get it signed and stamped. Do so.
• Get another authentication letter mentioning account#, your name, statement period and TOTAL PAGES of statement.
• Don’t think that I got authentication letter (and additional min fund letter) for hack of it. My actual purpose was – Official will put his/her name and put a signature on such letter. So, I also asked to write contact number there as well. Additionally, if you are spending so much time with him/her, ONE has to remember you and your name. So that, when BHC calls them, it ‘clicks’ to them immediately. I befriended two managers sitting on adjacent desks there, for this very purpose and showed those contact details
• Take a highlighter and highlight transaction rows showing your salary. I also put a circled number at very left of transaction for every month i.e. 1 for august salary, 2 for July salary etc.
• Since, I was submitting single statement for my min fund requirement and past earning; I wrote ‘min fund START’ and ‘min fund END’ at left side of statement and highlighted those words.

4) Story of my employer:
I requested 12 month pay slips from finance dept. using intranet portal. Finance dept. put a stamp and a ‘birdie’ signature on it. Also, in company records, my middle name ‘kumar’ was missing. I took this opportunity to again let few people in company ‘remember my name and documents, they gave me.’
Thus, I visited finance department, got full signature pay slips. I also went to HR department to ask a letter stating that ‘kumar’ is middle name and actual name is XX kumar YY.
Take care:
• It is helpful, if someone in HR and finance remember that some work was done for ‘Mr xy’ couple of weeks back. I put same people contact details on VAF9 form.
• I can’t comment, if BHC actually called and confirmed something.
• Employer (HR) denied giving me earning letter with Gross and Net. I didn’t push them, as documents I had were sufficient.
• I didn’t tell my UK visa reason. I just told some family business funding is needed so taking business loan on my name.

5) About qualification and English requirement:
I am post graduate and I did three years Masters of Computers Application course. My qualification was in both English as well as qualification section on point based calculator. Thus, I didn’t submit any additional documents.
As It has been discussed many a times, a letter from college or university is NO HELP. You have to get NARIC evaluation done, if PBS does not give you points.
Take care:
• No use of running to collect any college or university letter about English language requirement. I wasted my efforts, until I asked this forum and read the guidelines 3-4 times.
• Degree certificate was very much sufficient. However, MCA being a 3 year course, I also sent my 6 semester mark sheets. I didn’t need to, but I did because, two sections for claiming points were critical. Even if it was extra paper load, I did so.

6) My views (and purely my views):
You may or may not agree but I derived my own conclusions, based on my readings, browsing and discussions.
• Case workers either don’t care or not too good. Try to keep your application as simple as possible.
• Try reading more of ‘rejections and Administrative Review’ threads on this forum. They actually tell you ‘what not to do’
• Put a nice cover letter. It is surely helpful
• If you have computer to ‘track your application’, don’t subscribe to SMS service. Anyways, in worst case, you get email about document collection.
• Better highlight details on bank statement, bank letters and pay slips for the case worker.
• List of items, I highlighted in my application -
o Word ‘Gross Pay’ in my all 12 pay slips
o Word ‘MMM YYYY’ in my all 12 pay slips
o Rows ‘Incentive’ and ‘arrears’ in my 1 payslip (post annual appraisal one)
o Row ‘bonus’ in my 1 pay slip.
o All 12 transaction rows of salary credited in bank statement stating ‘Salary for MMM – Mr. XX YY’
o I put a arrow marker each for ‘min fund START’ and ‘min fund END’ with highlight on them.

7) Cover letter is with this thread. I am not putting any more details.

Table of Content: Image Age Assessment:::: Image



Qualification:::::::Image Past Earnings::::::::: Image



Language::::::::::Image Maintenance Funds: Image

Thanks everyone.

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Post by aruni4470 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:16 pm

Hi t1s2010,

A very informative post by which a lot of applicants will benefit from. Well done.
As It has been discussed many a times, a letter from college or university is NO HELP. You have to get NARIC evaluation done, if PBS does not give you points.
While I strongly agree with the first part of the above statement, I tend to disagree with the second. If the PBS does not give points for English language requirement, the NARIC evaluation is useless.

198. Where the applicant is unable to find details of their qualification on the points based calculator, UK NARIC will not be able to verify whether a qualification satisfies the English Language requirement. In these circumstances, applicants should either present an alternative qualification from the points based calculator if they possess one, or select an alternative means of satisfying the English Language requirement.

Page 32 of the policy guidance
http://bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/siteconten ... idance.pdf

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Post by t1s2010 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:52 am

Oops!!!
You have always been a help and 'to the point'.
I agree with you. If PBS is giving you 0 point, alternate is needed.

What I was trying to say was, if PBS does not show your qualification (e.g. university name or related degree level) then NARIC evaluation is must (first timer from that institution, I would say).

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Post by t1s2010 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:49 am

1) In Section 4.6 for Under Earning in Pounds Sterling box: Should i write the amount which tally exchange rate or amount after exchange rate and uplift ratio?

2) In section 7.1 for Maintenance Funds box: Should i mention in Rupees/ Pounds. If in pounds which day exchange rate should i use?
Referring PBS calculator PDF is extremely helpful for such queries.
For #1 --> PBS calculator says 'pound sterling' WITHOUT uplift ratio, so put that amount. I put @12000/13000 pound as my annual salary.


For #2 --> I put 'NNNN INR'. (currency sign in the end). I was safe till
80 GBP/INR conversion rate so I didn't bother about exchange rate.

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Post by t1s2010 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:52 am

Travel Date can be up to three months in advance.

I applied on Sep 20th and asked travel date of Dec 19th.
I was worried 'if 19th Dec is just boundary', but I got the date Dec 19th.

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Post by tier1uk_india » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:02 pm

Looks like you have mastered the art dear!!!

Can you please put your thought on this also,

The appendix 1 point 3.2 below mentions :

3.2 Indicate your method of postgraduate degree verification Put a cross (x) in the relevant box

Because I'm applying on Bachelor degree, I find this confusing...although we have an option to select bachelor degree in 3.3, the work "postgraduate" in 3.2 creates confusion....

Can you provide your thoughts?

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Post by t1s2010 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:57 am

Dear,

put a cross in 'Qualification on the points based calculator' for #3.2.
One of my friend put it for his B.Tech and he was successful.

It seems either of a typo or nomenclature per U.K.

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Post by tier1uk_india » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:44 pm

Thanks.

The maintenance of funds for 3 months i thinks applies application date closing exchange rate.

Which in INR means for today its (2800 * 71.4) = Just about 2 L.

In my case I stay just above that level for min and well above for avg and well well above for max. Do you think it's a good positive case or it's a problem to linger around 2L.

Thanks in advance.

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Post by sajinsanand » Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:20 am

In the past 12 months I have worked in 3 companies. My full name in the passport is SAJIN SUGUNAN ANAND, however in all the pay slips of the three companies my name is displayed as SAJIN ANAND.

Also In all my academic certificates, the name is Displayed as SAJIN S ANAND. Do I need to provide any additional document as supporting for the name difference in my Academic certificates and passport?

1, Is it mandatory to have an Affidavit for the name change in the Academic certificates and Passport?

2, If I am going for an Affidavit, Do I need to publish it in the news paper ?


The name in the pay slips is SAJIN ANAND and in the Bank is SAJIN.S.ANAND. The HR of the previous employer is not willing to give me a letter confirming my full name.

3, Is it mandatory to have a letter form the company, as the Name is different in Pay slip and passport [SAJIN SUGUNAN ANAND]?

4, As the HR is not willing to issue me a letter, is there any other document that I can submit as proof?


I think most of the people in India might be having their name with initials in their Academic certificates and the Name in the Passport will have the expansion of the initials.

The name in my bank account is SAJIN S ANAND [Name in passport is SAJIN SUGUNAN ANAND].

Name in the Academic certificate and bank account is same [SAJIN S ANAND]

I checked with the customer care of BANK, they said the name in the bank can be changed if I can provide the copy of the passport.


5, Is it advisable to change the name in the Bank as in passport at this time ? .
I am planning to apply on 12th of November 2010.

Experts please help.

Regards,
Sajin
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Post by t1s2010 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:53 am

Thanks.

The maintenance of funds for 3 months i thinks applies application date closing exchange rate.

Which in INR means for today its (2800 * 71.4) = Just about 2 L.

In my case I stay just above that level for min and well above for avg and well well above for max. Do you think it's a good positive case or it's a problem to linger around 2L.

Thanks in advance.
If you are above 'min' on application date rate then you are good.

Any max or avg calculations of no use.

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Post by sarvind » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:28 pm

What exchange rate is taken into account while calculating maintenance of funds? I know the oanda.com site is used for the PBS calculator, Is it the same for this too?

For e.g. if the exchange rate now is 69.78 on oanda.com. Implies 69.78 * 2800 = 1,95,384

Kindly provide guidance.

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Post by geriatrix » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:33 pm

sarvind wrote:Kindly provide guidance.
Reading the policy guidance will help.


regards

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Post by t1s2010 » Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:40 am

Spending sometime on policy guidance is extremely helpful to all candidates.

@sarvind,

For previous earnings, you can choose a point-of-time.
For maintenance funds, it is day of application.

as per guidance -
For Previous Earnings -
129. exchange rate on the OANDA website at www.oanda.com/currency/classic-converter on the last day of the period for which he/she has claimed earnings in that currency. This is an independent website, for which we are not responsible.

For Maintenance funds
204. currency will be made using the OANDA rate conversion on the date of application. www.oanda.com
Hope, it is helpful.

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