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Post by republique » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:09 pm

Sushil-ACCA wrote:Mr brown has taken some financial decisions (vat etc) , wait for economy response to it

that will decide job market otherwise dont look to uk job market till mid jan 09

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that would be foolhardy
you dont know how long that will take if at all
if you want to come, come and do your best
but there is no formula or guarantee you are going to get a job or not get a job.

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Post by Frontier Mole » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:18 pm

The economy will continue to get worse for at least another 9 to 12 months. The number of redundancies’ will continue to increase in the run up to the new year especially in the banking & financial sectors.

IT roles always take a hard hit when things turn down EXCEPT where the business is very dependent on its revenue streams from technology lead areas. This could be the actual tech of the product - mobile phone networks as an example or from e-commerce.

Construction industry is on its knees in the domestic house building market but not as bad in the commercial market. The Olympic Games and all that entails will carry on regardless, perhaps with fewer bells and whistles.

What is still good work wise in the UK? - have a look at the occupation shortage list - see link.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... mac/uklist

The best roles from the list are those where Central or Local Government pays / provides the main employment. Teachers, social workers and nursing as examples. Of course they do not lend themselves to Tier 1 very readily but if you want to establish yourself in the UK they are the roles that are readily avaialble.

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Post by Jedi001 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:35 am

Read the above posts and lot of other topics regarding jobs...i see lot of people in .NET who are loosing jobs or are about to. It could be any domain but mostly .NET or Java guys are talking about no jobs.

Is anyone there who is in Messaging domain (Exchange 5.5/2000/2003/2007, migration, disaster recovery) kind of job and has lost his job?

I am a Messaging specialist with all required certs and 6 yrs of exp in same domain.

Question is what about Exchange Admin kind of jobs? Are they also not available? I will be surprised to know that now companies are not using Microsoft's hottest messaging product.

Any views are most welcome.

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Post by hsmpvictim123 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:26 am

Even market is very bad, I know some people are getting jobs (perm). Advantage with HSMP is you can get into perm jobs and all companies (except few) accept people with HSMP. Dont get too much discouraged.. may be you can plan to come by Jan/Feb... Dont come in Dec though...

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Post by jhp » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:52 am

Jedi001 wrote:Read the above posts and lot of other topics regarding jobs...i see lot of people in .NET who are loosing jobs or are about to. It could be any domain but mostly .NET or Java guys are talking about no jobs.

Is anyone there who is in Messaging domain (Exchange 5.5/2000/2003/2007, migration, disaster recovery) kind of job and has lost his job?

I am a Messaging specialist with all required certs and 6 yrs of exp in same domain.

Question is what about Exchange Admin kind of jobs? Are they also not available? I will be surprised to know that now companies are not using Microsoft's hottest messaging product.

Any views are most welcome.

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Jedi001
It doesnt really matter what your skills are. if your company is not doing well you have a probablity of being made redundant. If you have a niche skill you might get a job quicker than others provided somebody needs your skills at the time your looking for a job. Most services companies are hard hit not because their clients dont have the money but because they are scared to spend money on new projects. Besides hardly anybody is spending money on new development so there is no possiblty of using hot new technolgies that cost money. Howevere there is a lot of development using open source s/w like spring, hibernate etc for the obivious reason they are free and good enough.

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Post by Jedi001 » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:35 am

Besides hardly anybody is spending money on new development so there is no possiblty of using hot new technolgies that cost money.
Exchange is not a new product or technology...
Version Build number Release date
Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5 5.5.1960 November 1997
Microsoft Exchange Server 2007 SP1 8.1.0240.006 November 2007

Exchange 14 (2009) due to release next year. The first Exchange version i.e. 4.0 version release date is April 1996

Anyways I wanted to know if there is anyone out there with same skills or not and has lot his/her job recently?

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Post by Jedi001 » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:39 am

hsmpvictim123 wrote:Even market is very bad, I know some people are getting jobs (perm). Advantage with HSMP is you can get into perm jobs and all companies (except few) accept people with HSMP. Dont get too much discouraged.. may be you can plan to come by Jan/Feb... Dont come in Dec though...
I am coming in March or April. And i dont get discouraged by anything. And thank you for your comments...it really helps.

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Post by SKUK » Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:01 am

I am coming in March or April. And i dont get discouraged by anything. And thank you for your comments...it really helps.
That's the spirit mate!

Don't think guys here are scaremongering. They are just making people aware of the job situation here in the UK and it is quite bad. In my colleague's girlfriend's firm, one third of the workforce has been wiped out in a month's time. At the same time another friend of mine landed with a new job within a week of losing his. But he had to make a sacrifice and that was his base in London.

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Post by tier1visa_2008 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:02 pm

Thanks for all the replies and advice from seniors.It really helps.....

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Post by h_s_m_p » Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:42 pm

I am with the seniors but my concern is, my visa validity started from oct 2008. If i wait for another 4-5 months to study the job market won't it create trouble for me when i arrive in uk during Apr-May 2009. What should i say to the Entry officer for the late arrivel to uk. I believe lot of people would be having this doubt.

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Post by rg1 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:46 pm

Sorry to sound pessimistic but the UK economy is in dire state now.

Everyday there are news for thousands of people losing jobs (just yesterday it was revealed that 30,000 people will lose jobs because of Woolworth & MFI collapse) BT is cutting 10,000 jobs. Most banks are struggling. Houses are not selling.

If you are coming to UK on Work Permit now (ie. you already have a job offer) then fine, otherwise it is better to wait few months (especially if you have a good job in your own country)

Next 6-7 months will be very very difficult.

PS: Don't count much on job ads on agency websites. Most of them are bogus - just a ploy to collect your CV.

:cry:

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Post by larry » Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:11 pm

Another bad news on the job market:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7752430.stm

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Post by Jedi001 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:15 pm

rg1 wrote: Next 6-7 months will be very very difficult.

PS: Don't count much on job ads on agency websites. Most of them are bogus - just a ploy to collect your CV.

:cry:


I would like know everyones view on arrving to UK in April-May 2009? I know no ne can predict whats going to happen still people who are currently in UK will have better understanding of the market.

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Post by bani » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:24 pm

h_s_m_p wrote:I am with the seniors but my concern is, my visa validity started from oct 2008. If i wait for another 4-5 months to study the job market won't it create trouble for me when i arrive in uk during Apr-May 2009. What should i say to the Entry officer for the late arrivel to uk. I believe lot of people would be having this doubt.
It's not unusual for HSMP holders to arrive after 6 months and there is a recent thread here where someone arrived after 9 months (waited for a job interview) and was allowed into the UK.

You can tell the immigration officer you waited until the job market was better.

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Post by nishta » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:12 pm

True say, there are lots of bogus jobs, big big vacancies advertisement whilst in fact there no such vacancies to fill, it's a crisis!

People don't look at job opportunities by what you search and see, by bogus adverts and stuff, real vacancies account for probably a mere 10% of what is being actually advertised!!!

ukdreamer wrote:Guys, I Arrived in UK Jan 2008 dreaming Big Job and good money.. dreaming about saving lots of money. It took 2 months for me to start work in on of the Biggest Healthcare company. Everything was going well and i have brought my family. Then started all this credit crunch story, the company acquired by another company and now i am facing Redundency threat..!! in couple of weeks i will get to know my last working day!

I smell little earlier and started looking for a job ( i am having 7+yrs exp and 5yrs in only in dotnet) in the last 30 days i got couple of calls for the enquiry about my status. All the Agencies just need to know wether i attend any interview and where and who is the contact person. Just they want all these infromation to generate their business for their. They will learn the industry from talking to us, nothing else..!! i have seen in the forum people are saying there are so many jobs available to fill..!! Dear friend they most of them Bogus Jobs..

I have started this Thread to help people who are their in home coutnry with jobs and wishng to travel in this Hard Sitution. There are so many members in this forum who are currently working in UK or lost their jobs are giving advice. Take them openly and decide appropriately and save yourself.

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is there an entry time limit for tier1 visa holders?

Post by elementv » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:27 pm

Hi,

Is there a timeline from the date of issue of the tier1 visa within which one should enter the UK? Kindly advice.

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Re: is there an entry time limit for tier1 visa holders?

Post by Jedi001 » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:18 am

elementv wrote:Hi,

Is there a timeline from the date of issue of the tier1 visa within which one should enter the UK? Kindly advice.
Here you go: http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/faqs/5167621/2969423

Question: What is the latest date that I can arrive in the UK with my visa?

Answer: The expiry date will be shown on the visa, but remember that this is also the last day on which you are permitted to stay in the UK.

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Post by pyke » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:10 am

bani wrote:
h_s_m_p wrote:I am with the seniors but my concern is, my visa validity started from oct 2008. If i wait for another 4-5 months to study the job market won't it create trouble for me when i arrive in uk during Apr-May 2009. What should i say to the Entry officer for the late arrivel to uk. I believe lot of people would be having this doubt.
It's not unusual for HSMP holders to arrive after 6 months and there is a recent thread here where someone arrived after 9 months (waited for a job interview) and was allowed into the UK.

You can tell the immigration officer you waited until the job market was better.
True, but the delay - depending on how long, will affect ILR applications later on, wouldn't it? It's a tricky balance.

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Post by push » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:04 am

True, but the delay - depending on how long, will affect ILR applications later on, wouldn't it? It's a tricky balance.
True. The point is do you want to look at ILR which is likely to happen after 5 years from the date of entry or you are more concerned about having to spend a few months without a job in the currently deteriorating employment situation in UK.

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Experiences

Post by iman » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:37 pm

All,

Have read the postings and wanted to share my experiences.

About me: In UK since about 4 Years, currently a contractor since about 2 years. Industry : IT Sector: Finance, telecom, consulting, Insurance
Total IT experience : 9 Years.

I do not think anybody is untouched in this market today. I have seen rates of contractors getting reduced by around 10-25% in various companies like Barclays, IBM, Deutsche bank etc.

Many postions are getting closed and companies are really thinking hard before any new employments. It's an employers market now in short.

But, this difficult time would really do one thing, separate men from boys.
Only men would be the survivors in the end.

My suggestions to any new entrant in UK is to extend there visit untill things get little settled down.

Ciao

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sorry for the long one...

Post by LankanFunkin » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:51 pm

People,

I just joined this thread and read through the posts. I came across some very good insights and suggestions, and also a load of bollocks. Thought I'd share my 2 pence as well, and hopefully, it will be of use to somebody. I've broken my post into sub sections, so you can read what interests you most.

Good housekeeping rule:
Somebody mentioned that its a good idea to state your area of expertise. I agree that this is a great idea. What I say my not corroborate with whats going on in the IT market, or retail. I encourage you guys to start doing that from now on if you are making job specific posts. My area = Finance & Healthcare

Good insight:
[1] Frontier Mole brought up a very sage point. Yes, Finance is up $hit creek, and connected industries are also affected. As are construction and IT. Obviously, prevailing conditions have a major hand in this. But prevailing conditions have helped a lot of other areas too, as FM pointed out. I'd also like to add a couple more areas to the list:
- employment linked legal services (severance agreements require independent legal advice),
- consultancy houses (voided roles in companies generate ad hoc expertise requirements),
- restructuring services, ERP solutions (running lean is in vogue!)

Just for your reference, here is the shortage list again, as posted earlier by FM: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... mac/uklist

[2] The issue about coming to the UK is tricky. Few companies (in London anyway) will be even in the hiring mood, let alone sober enough to make hires to the end of the year. To those looking at Finance, I'd say wait at least till the new year. There were a lot of cuts in in the second half of 2008 - myself inclusive - so there may be *a few* opportunities arising in 2009. If you are comfortable in your current role in your home country, and have the cash, I would suggest taking time off to travel to the UK, and network in the beginning of 2009. Touch base with some recruiters and company HR people before coming of course, and have some meetings set up. Often enough, recruiters are quite open to this, and even if there isn't an opportunity available, just meeting them might help as they will be more familiar with you, and will be able to sell you better to suitable vacancies. See also point 3.

I disagree:
[3] ... with who ever said "only 4 out of 100 job ads are bogus". Not sure if this is industry specific (if it is, its wiser to note that in your post), but its not the case for finance or healthcare. I've been looking at some of the more reputed job boards for these respective areas. They just dont have many posts to begin with. If I've responded to a post that I fit the profile (see caveat below), at least half of them have called back in a week or 2. Not getting a call back doesnt mean they are bogus either - they just may have found someone for the role, and are not keen of taking the time to call me to let me know.

- Caveat: If you dont fit the profile, you have a much lower chance of a response. Yes, this seems elementary, but I know of way too many people who are quite content in just blanket mailing every post they can find. If a post wants at least 5 years industry experience, dont bother applying if you only have 2. If you have 4, at least make the effort to note in your cover letter why you think you'll still be a good fit, and how you compensate.

[4] ... with those suggesting you wait till the recession is over to come to the UK. Why? Because no one really has the foresight to accurately predict when we really have hit the "bottom", let alone when exactly the economy will have really recovered. If you are really keen on coming, and you got the credentials and resources, make a decision and carry out. Waiting till the smoke to clear and the dust to settle may be too late, and you might not have enough time to feasibly warrant you an extension. Just dont come in Nov or Dec (see point 2)

My 2 pence:
[5] If you are here already in the UK, NETWORK! I've gotten more leads on jobs I like from colleagues/friends than all the jobsites put together. Plus, a referral comes with a brief recommendation - something that a random email doesn't.

[6] Dont get discouraged. If coming to the UK really was your dream, keep on trying. Why give up after a couple of failures/stumbling blocks?

[7] Work some safety nets into your employment contracts. This goes out for those who may be getting hired in the next few months. Make sure your offers come with a couple perks, such as longer notice periods, redundancy pay, relocation, etc etc. Those all add up, especially if you get let go.

[8] Dont be afraid to cross borders. And I dont mean sovereign ones. If you are in finance, but you have a specialty in the oil & gas sector, consider working for the industry as an alternative. If you are in IT and have been involved in several mergers, maybe look at working for a consultancy house who advises clients on mergers and acquisitions.

My situation (in case you wanted to know):
Got laid off a week ago. Spoke to a couple of connections, and now have a couple of possibilities in the air. Its a mixed bag, with leads in both financial gigs as well as healthcare gigs. Expectedly, the healthcare ones are movig at a quicker pace. If all goes well, I hope to have a new job by the end of January!


Hope this helps, or in the least, promotes more useful discussion.
Good luck to all those out there as well.

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Post by Sushil-ACCA » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:06 am

carry on friends

this is tricky market

some will burn their hands some will succeed but still we have to try with risk and opportuity in mind

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Post by vyliss » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:34 am

this month absolutely not the right time.. employers already in festive mode and aint got money to spend else christmas present.. my advise, be yourself in what ever decision you want to make, risk is everywhere.. either you strong enough to face it or collapse in the end.. doesnt matter you're here or in your own country..

economy still moving, UK is not 3rd world country.. it stands well as US or Aus.. just be brave and stand yourself among other for the new job.. Also if you can't find any job, why don't create one for yourself.. :wink:

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Post by bani » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:34 am

push_hsmp wrote:
True, but the delay - depending on how long, will affect ILR applications later on, wouldn't it? It's a tricky balance.
True. The point is do you want to look at ILR which is likely to happen after 5 years from the date of entry or you are more concerned about having to spend a few months without a job in the currently deteriorating employment situation in UK.
you can always apply for an extension/FLR if you have a good job and keep paying the fee. right now, the fee is £750 and you get a 3 year extension. that's still a lot less than 2 months' salary or 6 months - new arrivals may be looking for a job for that long. financially, it's a one-sided issue, not a tricky balance at all.

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Post by hsmpvictim123 » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:59 pm

[3] ... with who ever said "only 4 out of 100 job ads are bogus". Not sure if this is industry specific (if it is, its wiser to note that in your post), but its not the case for finance or healthcare. I've been looking at some of the more reputed job boards for these respective areas. They just dont have many posts to begin with. If I've responded to a post that I fit the profile (see caveat below), at least half of them have called back in a week or 2. Not getting a call back doesnt mean they are bogus either - they just may have found someone for the role, and are not keen of taking the time to call me to let me know.
This is what I am saying.. Agents call back.. calling back doesn't mean that they have job.. they just call you to find out about your other interviews and your current employer details. This is 100% true statement for IT atleast.

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